Ronaldo: Stay or go?

Will Ronaldo be at Utd next season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 824 52.3%
  • No

    Votes: 753 47.7%

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Wow - blame every player except Ronaldo.

You just see the goals and assume that’s the best a player can do.

Insane stuff man.

The article produced by @sglowrider

shows everything with stats and it’s completely made up bullshit to you.

Ive never seen so much love for Ronaldo - just as you probably count what I talk about as simply hate.

A do no wrong footballer at the age of 37.

Mad stuff.

you literally start your post acknowledging how we went from a team where the central striker set up inverted forwards to a team that set up a central striker instead - and yet you don’t see how Ronaldo changed our game play or team mates ability:wenger:
It’s ok if you can’t address to any of my arguments against your claims. I don’t expect you could.

Also, to clear things up abit, I haven’t yet address to sglowrider claims at all, my previous post was direct to your claims only.
 
If we buckle and sell him to Chelsea I’m actually done with this club.

Meh, I'd be fine with it if we got a better deal from them than we would elsewhere.

I'm sure he'd bring them goals but he'd also bring all the problems we've been complaining about too. And he's a very short-term move on their part. Not sure he's a natural gel with Tuchel's approach either.
 
Does Cristiano Ronaldo make teams better or worse?


In 2020-21, United scored 73 goals in the Premier League on their way to finishing second under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Adding Ronaldo to the equation in 2021-22 was meant to be the star quality to provide the final push for the title but United’s sixth-placed finish saw that goal tally drop to 57, despite the Portuguese’s 18 goals.

Put simply, all attacking roads led to Ronaldo. He was responsible for 21 per cent of United’s shots in the Premier League — higher than any of his team-mates with only Bruno Fernandes close to him with 17 per cent. Whether he was in the best position or not, Ronaldo demanded the ball to be played into him.

Off the ball, data from StatsBomb via FBref showed Ronaldo’s 6.7 pressures per 90 were the lowest of any midfielder or forward in the United squad. For wider context, that placed him in the bottom one per cent of forwards in the Premier League last season. You have to take the rough with the smooth when it comes to his playing profile.

This trend stacks up with his former employers. Before Ronaldo arrived at Juventus in 2017-18, their stellar 95-point title win saw them score 86 goals in Serie A. In Ronaldo’s first season, they still won 90 points but scored just 70 goals. The team’s top goalscorer? Ronaldo, of course, with 21 goals.

An even higher 28 per cent of Juventus’s shots were taken by Ronaldo in 2018-19 — a total of 170 shots dwarfing his nearest team-mates’ tally, Paulo Dybala second with 64 shots (11 per cent) for the season. What Dybala compromised in attack he made up for with his work rate off the ball, with 18.3 pressures per 90 — nearly double that of Ronaldo with 9.4 pressures per 90.
Flaw logic.

One can also used the exact same logic on Sancho. Let me demonstrate below:

Before Sancho joined, we scored 73 goals in 20-21 season. Rashford was our main LWF at that time, he contributed 11 goals 9 assists.

After Sancho joined, our goal tally dropped to 57, Sancho was our main LWF, he only contributed 3 goal 3 assist, playing at the exact same position.

Overall we have scored 16 goals less in 21-22, Sancho has made 14 less goals contribution than previous LWF. Hence, he is the biggest factor making the team playing worse/scoring less than before.
 
Flaw logic.

One can also used the exact same logic on Sancho. Let me demonstrate below:

Before Sancho joined, we scored 73 goals in 20-21 season. Rashford was our main LWF at that time, he contributed 11 goals 9 assists.

After Sancho joined, our goal tally dropped to 57, Sancho was our main LWF, he only contributed 3 goal 3 assist, playing at the exact same position.

Overall we have scored 16 goals less in 21-22, Sancho has made 14 less goals contribution than previous LWF. Hence, he is the biggest factor making the team playing worse/scoring less than before.

Your whataboutism isn't logic.

Sancho played for juve too? Or was he flying at Dortmund.
 
It’s ok if you can’t address to any of my arguments against your claims. I don’t expect you could.

Also, to clear things up abit, I haven’t yet address to sglowrider claims at all, my previous post was direct to your claims only.

but you address to my logic and then continue to say it’s not true.

It’s nothing but Ronaldo fan love and your name addresses that anyway.

The whole season he did no wrong.
 
People expecting this cnut to ruin Chelsea if he joins them, its Chelsea, i know they are no under Roman but somehow think it would turn into a win that transfer.
 
Flaw logic.

One can also used the exact same logic on Sancho. Let me demonstrate below:

Before Sancho joined, we scored 73 goals in 20-21 season. Rashford was our main LWF at that time, he contributed 11 goals 9 assists.

After Sancho joined, our goal tally dropped to 57, Sancho was our main LWF, he only contributed 3 goal 3 assist, playing at the exact same position.

Overall we have scored 16 goals less in 21-22, Sancho has made 14 less goals contribution than previous LWF. Hence, he is the biggest factor making the team playing worse/scoring less than before.

Sancho’s through balls were not met by Ronaldo.

You assume he makes killer runs when he does shit all. Sancho’s low stats were due to Ronaldo’s way of playing as a striker.

If Ronaldo had better hold up play and link up play - wouldn’t Sancho score more goals?

If Ronaldo had better runs at the age of 37 wouldn’t Sancho have more assists?

Nope not for you - because everyone is shit Except Ronaldo - the only one that succeeded last season.

Hmm..
 
but you address to my logic and then continue to say it’s not true.

It’s nothing but Ronaldo fan love and your name addresses that anyway.

The whole season he did no wrong.
You are just dodging the arguments. But it’s ok I don’t expect you could answer them.
 
Sancho’s through balls were not met by Ronaldo.

You assume he makes killer runs when he does shit all. Sancho’s low stats were due to Ronaldo’s way of playing as a striker.

If Ronaldo had better hold up play and link up play - wouldn’t Sancho score more goals?

If Ronaldo had better runs at the age of 37 wouldn’t Sancho have more assists?

Nope not for you - because everyone is shit Except Ronaldo - the only one that succeeded last season.

Hmm..
I am not assuming anything. I am just stating the obvious. Sancho provide feck off last season and he is the most obvious reason for our drop of goal tally, based on logic proposed by likes of sglowriter and support by the likes of you.
 
People expecting this cnut to ruin Chelsea if he joins them, its Chelsea, i know they are no under Roman but somehow think it would turn into a win that transfer.

Don't think it would ruin them by any means and he would certainly still get goals.

But I can only see a 37/38 year old Ronaldo being a very qualified success in any top side. And generally I'd prefer to see our rivals making expensive, short-term, heavily caveated transfers rather than long term, top level improvements.
 
People expecting this cnut to ruin Chelsea if he joins them, its Chelsea, i know they are no under Roman but somehow think it would turn into a win that transfer.

If Boehly is thinking of getting Ronaldo for marketing purposes and his big entry into the Big leagues, then he is doing what Woodward did when he wanted to bring him back. I bet you he will undermine Tuchel and destroy the dressing room.

Like at United in his 2nd coming, he had the backing of the owners and the CEO/DOF in this case. It will be a power play again. Same results.
The other upside is that Boehly will be willing to pay big bucks for Ronnie.
 
I have the right to condenscend to anyone who dares to refute 15 years of proven professionalism at the highest level and recent younger team mates comments about said player with " those talking about him couldn't say what they really mean. "
Another wonderful example of failing to interpret basic evidence infront of you. The claim made is CR7 made a team like Juventus significantly worse. It is provably false he didn't going by how the team performed exactly the same after he did leave and was replaced by a younger and much fitter version of his current self at center forward. I didn't need to further reach into the past to disprove the claim at all.

If I was being asked to prove my claim Juve failed with CR7 because of the midfield THEN I would have progressively shown how Juve's midfield got progressively worse between the time he arrived up to now. A reason why the team fell from first place and competing in Europe before his arrival to struggling to make the UCL in the league with in a span of 3 years.

Further more its a marvel your incessant penchant for lies to buttress your arguments never fails to rare its ugly head:

I never at any point insinuated nor argued Juve's form could turn off and on like a tap. Because unlike you I never laid the blame on the collective collapse of form and structure of an entire team on the addition of one player operating in the most dependant role of all in the team. Twice.


Without fail. Butressing your argument with pure lies.

Get a life. The only thing you’re proving here is that

a) you have far too much time on your hands

b) what you know about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a bingo pen

c) your attachment to Ronaldo is forcing you to out yourself as a liar and a colossal hypocrite

But you can have the last word. At this point your extreme fanboyism is simply getting in the way of any meaningful discussion. I hope you don’t mind that I didn’t read past the first couple of lines though, I can only read the same drivel so many times.
 
So there are United fans who love Ronnie more than the club. Who would hve thought

There's already some saying he's too good for us which should mean everyone in Europe would be rushing to sign him, but that's not the case.

Hopefully those fans follow Ronaldo wherever he goes.
 
So there are United fans who love Ronnie more than the club. Who would hve thought

Its not really that big of surprise, when you look at other United related members being worshiped by those weirdos, or in general worshiping another person its just what drones do.
 
I fear he'll score a shitload of goals for them if he joins.

I don't think he will.

Chelsea's creative players are arguably worse than ours from an individual point of view and Chelsea don't generate as much chances as City and Liverpool do.

Their pressing from the front will get significantly worse and they'll likely try to shoe-horn Havertz in an non-optimal role.

He doesn't suit them. In all honestly, he just doesn't suit any top team now.

He'd be average for them. Neither a success nor a failure. A small footnote in their history.

IMO.
 
Does Cristiano Ronaldo make teams better or worse?


In 2020-21, United scored 73 goals in the Premier League on their way to finishing second under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. Adding Ronaldo to the equation in 2021-22 was meant to be the star quality to provide the final push for the title but United’s sixth-placed finish saw that goal tally drop to 57, despite the Portuguese’s 18 goals.

Put simply, all attacking roads led to Ronaldo. He was responsible for 21 per cent of United’s shots in the Premier League — higher than any of his team-mates with only Bruno Fernandes close to him with 17 per cent. Whether he was in the best position or not, Ronaldo demanded the ball to be played into him.

Off the ball, data from StatsBomb via FBref showed Ronaldo’s 6.7 pressures per 90 were the lowest of any midfielder or forward in the United squad. For wider context, that placed him in the bottom one per cent of forwards in the Premier League last season. You have to take the rough with the smooth when it comes to his playing profile.

This trend stacks up with his former employers. Before Ronaldo arrived at Juventus in 2017-18, their stellar 95-point title win saw them score 86 goals in Serie A. In Ronaldo’s first season, they still won 90 points but scored just 70 goals. The team’s top goalscorer? Ronaldo, of course, with 21 goals.

An even higher 28 per cent of Juventus’s shots were taken by Ronaldo in 2018-19 — a total of 170 shots dwarfing his nearest team-mates’ tally, Paulo Dybala second with 64 shots (11 per cent) for the season. What Dybala compromised in attack he made up for with his work rate off the ball, with 18.3 pressures per 90 — nearly double that of Ronaldo with 9.4 pressures per 90.
thank you! gonna show my buddy. when Ronaldo eats, no one else does
 
You are just dodging the arguments. But it’s ok I don’t expect you could answer them.

but you didn’t answer mine either?

Does Ronaldo have good interplay and hold up play to get the best out of Bruno, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Cavani or Martial?

Just answer that one question?

Does he as a striker enable to get the best out of the players around him?

If that’s a yes then fine. I have all the answers needed. If it’s a No then we turned to a team that had to prioritize to produce for Ronaldo because he wasn’t getting the best out of anyone else especially at one of his weaker positions as a striker and not a LW.

Anyway just going round and round talking the same shit when ultimately all it is is that your happy with his performances whilst I was not.

His performances reminded me of Zlatan Ibrahimovic at United.
Great player and goal scorer - but we were only as good as him as long as he played as our main tactical player.
 
There's already some saying he's too good for us which should mean everyone in Europe would be rushing to sign him, but that's not the case.

Hopefully those fans follow Ronaldo wherever he goes.

It would be an interesting psychology study of the profile of Ronnie lovers versus club lovers. When Becks left we lost a few United fans too.
 
You guys don't honestly think we will actually sign Ronaldo, do you? I know Boehly wants a superstar name apparently, but I still do not think he will leave you
 
I fear he'll score a shitload of goals for them if he joins.
I am sure he will, but as shown at Juve and now United, the others score a lot less.

He’s also another year older, so a worse player now than he was this time last season, with further decline ahead. He’d be a disaster of a signing for Chelsea. God I hope they sign him…
 
I don't care if we sell him, but would prefer he was sold outside of the PL. He is a huge Lukaku upgrade and strengthens Chelsea considerably IMO.
 
Why is no one queuing for the mighty Ronaldo who carried us to a 6th place finish???

I hope he goes to Chelsea, but expect him to stay. No one is daft enough to pay his wage.
 
The media are reporting that Mendes is struggling to find another uselessly run club to pay Ronaldo’s £450k per week wage. Also, Ronaldo is miffed as United have allegedly cut his wage by 25% as with all the players for no CL next season. If that is true, the guy is a greedy hit. He is reported as being worth $1billion. Anyone that wants to leave this club or doesn’t want to join should be dismissed out of hand whoever they are.
 
Why is no one queuing for the mighty Ronaldo who carried us to a 6th place finish???

I hope he goes to Chelsea, but expect him to stay. No one is daft enough to pay his wage.

You think we should take him back after this public insult to the club & fans?
 
Some people are far too precious on here.

Him leaving is really best for both parties.
 
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