He was pissed when he was dropped for the derby game. I wouldn't be surprised if he still sees himself as a starter.
Ronaldo: Stay or go?
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He was pissed when he was dropped for the derby game. I wouldn't be surprised if he still sees himself as a starter.
If the team become notably better I’d believe it’s more about the work of ETH rather than Ronaldo leaving. We have lots of major issues last season with or without Ronaldo, it’s established fact. Of course it’s convenient for some haters to use Ronaldo as an excuse in those intangible factor such as “negative impact on dressing room” bullshite. But fact remains we always have major dressing room issues all the way back to Mourinho time. “Manager losing the dressing room” and “toxicity in dressing room” is nothing new to us, we have been through long history of that ever since post Fergie era.
Did Benzema and Rooney get better once Ronaldo left or because of their managers tactics in your opinion?
I hate Simon Jordan (on TalkBollocks Radio) but I have to agree with him when he says Ronaldo was not the problem last season and we'd have finished much lower without him (is it true we didn't win a single game in which he didn't play?).
Also, I can see exactly why Ronnie wants out. It's clearly not money (rumours are he's willing to take a sizeable salary cut) and more about challenging for trophies. He's exactly the sort of player we need (to keep). OK, no one is bigger than the club but boy do we need players who show his commitment and passion. And no, we should not build a team around him (or any one player) but we should be bringing in players like him not letting them go - and certainly not flogging them on the cheap to PL rivals
Also, I can see exactly why Ronnie wants out. It's clearly not money (rumours are he's willing to take a sizeable salary cut) and more about challenging for trophies. He's exactly the sort of player we need (to keep). OK, no one is bigger than the club but boy do we need players who show his commitment and passion. And no, we should not build a team around him (or any one player) but we should be bringing in players like him not letting them go - and certainly not flogging them on the cheap to PL rivals
Can see how you make the argument with Benzema that it hinged on Ronaldo leaving maybe, but not Rooney. Ronaldo didn't occupy the same space as Rooney at that time, and SAF was able to coach Rooney and change the tactic slightly in order to bring the best out of him.
He fecked off to Portugal when he wasn't picked for the derby last season and is now refusing to turn up for preseason training, where is the commitment and passion in that? His sole focus is on his individual numbers, he still scores goals but they're not in anyway impactful to the success of the team given the other failings in his game.
The only reason to keep him is that our squad is so badly constructed that we're desperately short of attacking options and we seem to be prioritising improving other areas rather than him being a particularly good player anymore.
I talk of idiocy because you have failed miserably to interprete the evidence infront of you. I love how you conveniently site Juventus "being poor" after getting CR7 as "evidence he makes a team worse' yet Juve made NO significant improvement after he left. Even after a player like Dybala returned to his best and they signed a super star striker in Vlahovic in mid season. More than ample proof for anyone who actually serious with evidence rather than agenda driven to understand he was never the problem there. Even worse is glibly citing United as evidence. As if United played a style that started and failed with its starting center forward. Or before him had a starting center fotrwad known for his with rate and pressing football in Martial. Honestly its high impossible to take the likes of you seriously when you come up with arguments that inane.
Wow. Now your excuse is that Elanga couldn't say what he really wanted to say? Really?
More rubbish. Last season the players with awful and toxic body language on pitch were Bruno and Rashford. The likes of CR7 would show anger because they cared. At no time were they mopping around tyr pitch stropping whilst making no effort. Its so obvious you have inane agenda against CR7 its untrue. That is why you imagine someone defending him from obvious bullhsit is doing so out of emotion attachment rather than mete common sense.
I wonder how you can seriously believe this hilarious rubbish below
It doesn't matter one jolt to me whether he stays or goes. For the future of this club depends on Ten Hag and not a single player in our dressing room. The only thing I won't stand for is people like you openly lying he was the reason United were so bad last season. And adding the Juventus lie to it. A myth as bad as the claims freaking Pirlo 'carried Pogba' in the Juve midfield of Conte and 'had no defensive responsibility'.
This is two seasons in a row now where his lack of movement and work rate has somewhat exposed his sides but it’s ok because he scored 25 odd goals.
Here’s my gripe with Ronaldo. If he were the same player but had a different name, was 28 and played in the exact same way, would fans be clamouring for his signing under Ten Hag? Would the fans overlook his numerous strops off to Portugal over the last season? His bickering behind the scenes over stupid things like the captaincy?
It seems to me that we see Ronaldo and build our narrative around then name Ronaldo and what he offers isn’t near that level. He scored 5 more goals than Mason scored 2 seasons ago, can we say Ronaldo offers more to the team than Mason did?
You just missed the point entirely. Supposedly CR7 in your team was making it worse. So taking him out should have significantly improved the team play without a single addition. Even with 'Morata the magnificent' up top. It never did because we BOTH know it was your midfield that was always the issue. Not CR7. Vlahovic proved this further by coming in mid season and carrying you the SELF SAME way the older CR7 did. In spite of your half dead midfield. That is why you literally treaded water.
He's gotta go. Second time he's acted a cnut to leave. Needs a whole team built around him and is not a long term answer.
Its simplistic and weak for an argument. The likes of Maguire, Shaw, Wan Bissaka, Rashford and Bruno who's form directly led to collapse of team shape did not do so just because CR7 arrived. And even worse is citing Carrick's small stint without him. Yet we played over 11 games without him yet only mastered 1 win in Carrick's short stint. Which says it all.
Even funnier is the idea one player led to the collapse of our pressing. Yet the fact is not no one in our forwardline was pressing with or without him on pitch. Aside from Cavani when fit and Elanga. It didn't matter what instructions cane off the bench they were utterly ignored. But trust people to single out a 37 year old as the problem.
Fire up the old Ronaldo slave memes.
What teams are there that could afford him, and then actually want him?
this is a guy who scored more league goals than Harry Kane last season - while playing in a truly buggered up side. So yes offers more. The fact is he is probably the greatest player of all time: stats and history don't lie.
not impactful? we didn't win a single game in which he didn't play? and we don't know the truth of what is going on right now - just newspaper gossip, which usually get's trashed here
There’s more to football than a single player scoring all the goals for the team.
That type of football stopped in the 90’s.
Ronaldo as a target man may well score a great number of goals - but will never be a player that is able to get the best attacking ability of the players around him. Even if he could at the age of 27 - he simply can’t at the age of 37.
That type of football stopped in the 90’s.
Ronaldo as a target man may well score a great number of goals - but will never be a player that is able to get the best attacking ability of the players around him. Even if he could at the age of 27 - he simply can’t at the age of 37.
There it is again, slipping in the name and history of Ronaldo to buff up what he is now.
Greenwood provided width, pace and was devastating on the break that year. Ronaldo added very little outside of the box. Is 5 more goals worth that much more? 500k a week more? Spurs were every bit as buggered as we were by the way and they had Son finish above Ronaldo and Kane a goal behind. I dont think that point backs up Ronaldo as much as you may think. Going down the list Vardy got 3 goals less while playing 5 less games. Cheeky bid?
The team got significantly worse despite him scoring goals and we now have a manager who wants to press, something he does less than any player around. Plus that stat is completely disingenuous because it ignores the games before he joined and that 2 of the 5 games he missed were away to Liverpool and City (we got trounced at home to them with him so I doubt his presence would have made a big difference) and another was the final game of the season when we were gone (we lost 4-0 to Brighton the week before with him playing).
I noted that we might have to keep him because we lack attacking options and there's so many other areas that we have to fix this summer but we're not going to get anywhere with someone like him up front anymore, there's a reason that nobody seems interested in taking him right now.
Also it's not gossip is it? He's literally not at training and did go back to Portugal when he wasn't picked against City.
How will he be remembers if he moves to Chelsea?
Do Chelsea fans look back at Matic & Mata fondly?
The EPL are becoming more and more like Serie A with top players transferring among the top clubs. Especially if Sterling moves across to Chelsea too.
Do Chelsea fans look back at Matic & Mata fondly?
The EPL are becoming more and more like Serie A with top players transferring among the top clubs. Especially if Sterling moves across to Chelsea too.
A 38 year old Ronaldo moving to Chelsea should have next to no baring on his legacy at Utd unless he scores the winner to beat us in a Champions League final/ final day of the premier league title race etc.
So no concerns there.
Captain material my arse
Because he told Ralf he was fit and then Ralf said he wasn’t fit to the media, when the reality is it was for tactical reasons and he was in bed form. Maybe he does still see himself as a starter? He was quite accepting at Juventus though when Sarri told him he couldn't play two games a week, he said that helped him.
United fans give him all the excuses in the world. The slavery comments was the last straw for me. Some of you lot worship the ground he walks on.
Real Madrid didn't bat an eyelid when he wanted to go. Juve couldn't wait to get rid of him. The way some United fans act, you would think Ronaldo is bigger than the club, and maybe he is to a lot of you.
I hope he goes so ETH can implement his system properly instead of catering to some 37 year old tap in merchant.
He had a month to decide this instead of putting the club in such a bad position.
Get rid.
There's no doubt about that and this is why I can't wait for the day he leaves.
That’s just a case of cherry picking to be honest. I can also say the likes of Ozil, Di Maria, Marcelo, Modric, Tevez, Evra, Morata, Nani etc having the best seasons of their career playing alongside with Ronaldo.
What I think is, ETH will improve us, with or without Ronaldo, in long run.
Woodward may be gone.
But we are still reaping the rewards of his work.
But we are still reaping the rewards of his work.
You are just repeating the point 'yes but other players were also bad.' Which is true. But doesn't really change the analysis of Ronaldo being bad.
unless I'm much mistaken, all Premier League games are Premier League games. Of course if you arbitrarily discount some, then the figures mean less. I agree about the press, however. But maybe ETH can actually do more than the likes of Ole...
It would be nice if others last season had shown what Ronaldo did, last season isn't exactly history. Not sure how it compares to Greenwood's short time, which may or may not ever be extended. On vardy - there would be worse players to bid for!
The stats and history point to the fact that his most hated rival is simply better.
You love that eh? I actually addressed that in the previous post though. I’m not reading the rest of that because it’ll be more fanboy nonsense and it’s not really worth reading if you can’t read what I’ve written previously. Maybe a remedial English class is in order.
In short - Absolutely yes!
I also encourage other members not to raise topics related to Ronaldo's transfer here. He has a big reason to return back at this club, he also knows more than we all do. If you really know that person well, then you shouldn't have posted this topic.
I also encourage other members not to raise topics related to Ronaldo's transfer here. He has a big reason to return back at this club, he also knows more than we all do. If you really know that person well, then you shouldn't have posted this topic.
Can’t really be arsed dealing with all those players individually but Tevez absolutely did not have the best season of his career alongside Ronaldo. In fact he’s a great example of a striker who improved massively once he no longer needed to do all the fetching and carrying for Ronaldo. See also Benzema.
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Ok you are right on Tevez, my memory conveniently delete all his post United performance as he is one of my most hatred player after leaving United and bad mouthing Fergie. But still just a case of cherry picking.
Also, those players were playing alongside one of the greatest players of all time. We're talking about a player who is currently not even one of the best players in the league.
There's a lot of talk about Benzema improving because of Ronaldo leaving. If you check his record, I don't think the pattern is simply Ronaldo related. Also anyone who say Madrid 2016-2018 will now poor Benzemas finishing was. That had all to do with him.
There's no doubt with Ronaldo gone Benzema is in the spotlight, but it's a little exaggerated of a claim as if Ronaldo blocked what would have been "greater success" of the team. Ronaldo was a better forward than Benzema, Tevez or Rooney and so got prioritized as such.
There's no doubt with Ronaldo gone Benzema is in the spotlight, but it's a little exaggerated of a claim as if Ronaldo blocked what would have been "greater success" of the team. Ronaldo was a better forward than Benzema, Tevez or Rooney and so got prioritized as such.
Exactly. That should go without saying. It’s so odd the way his fans can’t accept that he’s a shadow of his former self.
And even his former self wasn’t a player that elevated the games of everyone around him. He was a lethal goalscorer you built your team around, usually at the expense of the productivity of the supporting cast. Hence players like Tevez, Rooney and Benzema became miles more productive after he left and they no longer had to do all his dirty work.
And that’s even more important to consider now that Ronaldo’s own contribution is in steep decline. You can only ask so much from the rest of the team.
Surely the fans won't let him off the hook if he stays based on if purely no other side ends up not wanting him, he has been undermining our managers since he returned and caused issues in the dressing
noticed this all season and I have posted many a time. When Ronaldo eats, everyone else is left with chicken bones.
dude I live with is biggest fanboy. Ronaldo's goals meant so much more than when anyone else scored. every year since Cristiano left he remained positive Ronaldo wanted to come back and would have if Fergie stayed. He thinks Ronaldo can do no wrong. I am easy whether he stays or goes but I cannot see us being successful as our main since he just poaches and nothing else.
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