Ronaldo | Refused to come on as sub, left OT | Axed from squad for Chelsea & fined 2 weeks wages

[Real Name]

Undermine his standing.




He's done the undermining all by himself.

 

[cyberman]

Isnt that because he went on strike and not down to the club?

 

[the_cliff]

Well that's a million saved.

 

[saivet]

Wasn't that 6 months of Tevez fecking off to Argentina rather than the club banishing him?

 

[UpWithRivers]

We wouldn't really know because no one gives a shit if Trossard or Maupay leave the stadium with 2 minutes to go. It's just United and Ronaldo as always, this would probably make the news if he played for another club but only for a day, we'll have to hear this for a solid week now, and guess what the commentators are going to talk about during the game? A certain someone who isn't even on the bench!

But thats the point. If you are the biggest named player on 500k a week you have a higher level of responsibility. Rightly or wrongly you just cant do certain sht because of the consequences. Like the King calling someone a cnt. Or the president passing out drunk. All normal things that happen everyday. You can say oh well Joe the builder did it and no one said anything. Yes true but its different for you. Celebrities and people the higher and higher up you go know they there are certain things they can and cannot get away with. Ronaldo knew what would happen if he did this and did it anyway. Thats worse because he did it for the attention to make a point and took all the talking points away from his teammates onto him feeling sorry for himself

 

[duffer]

Will the press be allowed to ask Ronaldo questions today?

 

[Irrational.]

*cough* Bruno *cough*

 

[Real Name]

Fecking hell, what a circus over nothing. If another player does that the media wouldn't even notice.

We get it, you're a big Ronaldo fan.

 

[kouroux]

But is it? Ronaldo leaving 2 minutes early doesn't mean our rebuild will come crumbling down now. If it does we've got bigger issues than Ronaldo. From reports we've heard the lads didn't even notice, they celebrated the win in the dressing room and everyone carried on as normal.

We know he tried to leave in the summer, we know he refused to follow pressing orders in training and do it during games and we know he's alienated himself behind the scenes. Him leaving before the game is over shouldn't have any effect on what Ten Hag is trying to do right now, and I doubt the lads even give a shit.

Because they didn't notice it first hand doesn't mean there isn't a potentially tricky situation for the manager to take care off.
At least I hope it's clearl for you now what Ronaldo did now because your attempt to initially give him the benefit of the doubt was ridiculous tbh.

 

[crossy1686]

Well no shit, the lads aren't going to be swooning around him if he isn't pulling his weight for the team. I wouldn't want to work with a bloke who's intent on leaving and doesn't give a shit if we do well as a team.

 

[crossy1686]

We get it, you're a big Ronaldo fan.

Incorrect my friend, I'm a non fussed United fan because no player is bigger than the club.

 

[SuperiorXI]

I love what ETH and the club have done here. A simple solution but a tricky one to put into action, it takes balls. Would Ole have done this? No he'd have probably gave him a cuddle.

 

[moses]

But is it? Ronaldo leaving 2 minutes early doesn't mean our rebuild will come crumbling down now. If it does we've got bigger issues than Ronaldo. From reports we've heard the lads didn't even notice, they celebrated the win in the dressing room and everyone carried on as normal.

We know he tried to leave in the summer, we know he refused to follow pressing orders in training and do it during games and we know he's alienated himself behind the scenes. Him leaving before the game is over shouldn't have any effect on what Ten Hag is trying to do right now, and I doubt the lads even give a shit.

Yes, they didn't notice at the time and proper order, although I#d say one or two did notice to be honest. But it's not that his presence will necessarily achieve anything positive and if the early exit was pre-arranged and sanctioned then grand, but it wasn't, it was the same bullshit grandstanding all wankers do, like Jose and his medals. If you don't think his constant undermining of the club and manager doesn't cause a distraction then that's grand, but you'd be a a decreasing minority. All the supposed positives he brings to the younger players, like his supposed professionalism become instant negatives because of his inability to put the team and club first. If this wasn't part of a tedious ongoing circus then you might have a point, but sadly it is. Occasionally you can, as a strong authoritative manager grant special passes for special players like Eric and a younger Ronaldo, but even in those special occasions you must have your authority confirmed previously, it's a big risk for a new manager to ignore the posturing by a fading old player. All the previous nonsense you mentioned make this worse not better.

 

[crossy1686]

Because they didn't notice it first hand doesn't mean there isn't a potentially tricky situation for the manager to take care off.
At least I hope it's clearl for you now what Ronaldo did now because your attempt to initially give him the benefit of the doubt was ridiculous tbh.

Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, regardless of who they are. I'd rather be on this side of being wrong than lynch someone and find out they're innocent later.

It's not a tricky situation at all, you call him in, tell him to stop being such a cnut, you fine him and drop him. The rest is up to him and how he responds to that situation, but you make it clear he won't play until he sorts himself out. Job done.

 

[Real Name]

Incorrect my friend, I'm a non fussed United fan because no player is bigger than the club.

Ok, my apologies, but your posts are all about nothing special has happened. And while its not special it is big. You're right it wont stop the progress we're making under ETH but as long as he's doing it it brings negative media attention to the club and ETH cant work in peace.

 

[stefan92]

Because they didn't notice it first hand doesn't mean there isn't a potentially tricky situation for the manager to take care off.
At least I hope it's clearl for you now what Ronaldo did now because your attempt to initially give him the benefit of the doubt was ridiculous tbh.

It's a statement in itself if the other players don't notice what Ronaldo is doing. It shows they don't really care about him any more.

Which makes it actually quite easy for the manager to drop Ronaldo as there is obviously little support for him in the dquad now.

 

[phelans shorts]

But is it? Ronaldo leaving 2 minutes early doesn't mean our rebuild will come crumbling down now. If it does we've got bigger issues than Ronaldo. From reports we've heard the lads didn't even notice, they celebrated the win in the dressing room and everyone carried on as normal.

We know he tried to leave in the summer, we know he refused to follow pressing orders in training and do it during games and we know he's alienated himself behind the scenes. Him leaving before the game is over shouldn't have any effect on what Ten Hag is trying to do right now, and I doubt the lads even give a shit.

This is because Ronaldo has alienated himself from the group by doing shit like this, it’s fairly obvious that this has totally backfired on him. Whatever standing he he left has evaporated because he couldn’t take his teammates performing so well. He wanted uproar and he wanted his teammates to be annoyed on his behalf and to cause a ruction, but even the younger lads who supposedly look up to him so much… didn’t even notice he’d gone home.

He tried to derail the rebuild for his own end, and it’s totally blown up in his face.

 

[Zetrio2002]

Things are certainly being blown out of proportions. Ronaldo only walked down the tunnel into the dressing room and stuff.

Players do that all the time to get something. It's not like he left the stadium. Giving him a huge fine and being axed from squad for an important game is certainly an over reaction from the club.

 

[moses]

Well no shit, the lads aren't going to be swooning around him if he isn't pulling his weight for the team. I wouldn't want to work with a bloke who's intent on leaving and doesn't give a shit if we do well as a team.

Yet he's the highest paid and highest profile and is using that profile to have a pop at the new manager and you don't see that as potentially negative to the process?

 

[Adam-Utd]

I love what ETH and the club have done here. A simple solution but a tricky one to put into action, it takes balls. Would Ole have done this? No he'd have probably gave him a cuddle.

Ole would have welcomed him back with balloons when he returned from his 'personal issues' and played him every game.

ETH is showing and proving he's the right man we needed. He's got balls, he's putting the team ahead of personal battles.

We all need to support him 100%. Fergie once said I wouldn't sell a Virus, but I think we need to sell this one.

 

[Isotope]

So the dressing room leaker is still there. Who would that be?

 

[moses]

Things are certainly being blown out of proportions. Ronaldo only walked down the tunnel into the dressing room and stuff.

Players do that all the time to get something. It's not like he left the stadium. Giving him a huge fine and being axed from squad for an important game is certainly an over reaction from the club.

He didn't do that though. He refused to come on when asked and fecked off out of the stadium.

 

[Real Name]

It's a statement in itself if the other players don't notice what Ronaldo is doing. It shows they don't really care about him any more.

Which makes it actually quite easy for the manager to drop Ronaldo as there is obviously little support for him in the dquad now.

You could see how great the atmosphere is among the players after the final whistle on Wednesday. They dont care about him and why should they. He's mentally already gone from the club, hopefully he'll be gone for good soon in practice too.

 

[moses]

So the dressing room leaker is still there. Who would that be?

I'd say that was the club to be honest, to counter all the 'poor Ronaldo blocked by the club so he was forced into being a twat' nonsense.

 

[kouroux]

Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, regardless of who they are. I'd rather be on this side of being wrong than lynch someone and find out they're innocent later.

It's not a tricky situation at all, you call him in, tell him to stop being such a cnut, you fine him and drop him. The rest is up to him and how he responds to that situation, but you make it clear he won't play until he sorts himself out. Job done.

When something is really that obvious and that clear, I'm sorry but the benefit of the doubt can do one.
I said potentially a tricky situation because there are dressing room dynamics none of us have a true idea of, when many ex players say that how a manager deal with a situation like this can reflect positively/negatively on the squad then I tend to believe them tbh.

 

[phelans shorts]

So the dressing room leaker is still there. Who would that be?

Not necessarily. This reads like information pushed out by the club to really dig the knife in.

 

[JPRouve]

Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, regardless of who they are. I'd rather be on this side of being wrong than lynch someone and find out they're innocent later.

It's not a tricky situation at all, you call him in, tell him to stop being such a cnut, you fine him and drop him. The rest is up to him and how he responds to that situation, but you make it clear he won't play until he sorts himself out. Job done.

Benefits of doubts implies that there is room for doubts. What are you doubting about? He left the bench without the approval of his manager, he left the team earlier this season without the approval of his manager and he had a mini rant about the truth that he was supposed to reveal nearly two months ago.

The benefits of doubts applies to an unexpected or out of character behaviors not to someone doing the same type of nonsense in a relatively short period of time.

 

[duffer]

So the dressing room leaker is still there. Who would that be?

Of they're just making stuff up as usual.

 

[crossy1686]

Yes, they didn't notice at the time and proper order, although I#d say one or two did notice to be honest. But it's not that his presence will necessarily achieve anything positive and if the early exit was pre-arranged and sanctioned then grand, but it wasn't, it was the same bullshit grandstanding all wankers do, like Jose and his medals. If you don't think his constant undermining of the club and manager doesn't cause a distraction then that's grand, but you'd be a a decreasing minority. All the supposed positives he brings to the younger players, like his supposed professionalism become instant negatives because of his inability to put the team and club first. If this wasn't part of a tedious ongoing circus then you might have a point, but sadly it is. Occasionally you can, as a strong authoritative manager grant special passes for special players like Eric and a younger Ronaldo, but even in those special occasions you must have your authority confirmed previously, it's a big risk for a new manager to ignore the posturing by a fading old player. All the previous nonsense you mentioned make this worse not better.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I don't think he's doing any of the senior player duties anyway, he's alienated himself and cuts a lonely figure around the place from what we're to understand. All I'm saying is the want-away is only doing stuff that want-aways do, and he's not Eric, he's not Keane, he's not even Rooney for me in United rankings, he's just another player who isn't bigger than the club and should be treated accordingly. I'm happy with the way Ten Hag has handled it so far, I think this would be a genuine issue if Solskjaer was still in charge however.

 

[kouroux]

It's a statement in itself if the other players don't notice what Ronaldo is doing. It shows they don't really care about him any more.

Which makes it actually quite easy for the manager to drop Ronaldo as there is obviously little support for him in the dquad now.

That's one way to look at it and in a way I hope it's the reality of the dynamics inside the team.
I still like the authority showed by ETH though, a reminder of how things should run is never a bad thing

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

You could see how great the atmosphere is among the players after the final whistle on Wednesday. They dont care about him and why should they. He's mentally already gone from the club, hopefully he'll be gone for good soon in practice too.

Completely agree

 

[Isotope]

But thats the point. If you are the biggest named player on 500k a week you have a higher level of responsibility. Rightly or wrongly you just cant do certain sht because of the consequences. Like the King calling someone a cnt. Or the president passing out drunk. All normal things that happen everyday. You can say oh well Joe the builder did it and no one said anything. Yes true but its different for you. Celebrities and people the higher and higher up you go know they there are certain things they can and cannot get away with. Ronaldo knew what would happen if he did this and did it anyway. Thats worse because he did it for the attention to make a point and took all the talking points away from his teammates onto him feeling sorry for himself

Rashford was downtooling for a year, last year. I think it's way more offensive than leaving with minutes to go in one game, don't you think so?

Has Rashford ever apologized to fans? or do you think that's more acceptable?

 

[crossy1686]

Ok, my apologies, but your posts are all about nothing special has happened. And while its not special it is big. You're right it wont stop the progress we're making under ETH but as long as he's doing it it brings negative media attention to the club and ETH cant work in peace.

We're United mate, they only print negative news about us. For me he's just another player who wants to leave and he's being a child about it. Deal with it, like they have done and move on, but we're going to get a full week of this now which distracts from how well we're playing and that's the annoying part.

 

[moses]

Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, regardless of who they are. I'd rather be on this side of being wrong than lynch someone and find out they're innocent later.

It's not a tricky situation at all, you call him in, tell him to stop being such a cnut, you fine him and drop him. The rest is up to him and how he responds to that situation, but you make it clear he won't play until he sorts himself out. Job done.

Well firstly, it's not a lynching so keep it in perspective. He's fined and pretty much suspended in the short term. That seems measured to me all things considered.

And where is the doubt in your mind?

 

[VidaRed]

Scholes was half Ronaldo's age and actually had a future at the club. He wasn't on half a million a week either. It's not comparable.

Player tantrums are tantrums to be handled by the manager regardless of age or salary. Stop trying to make Ronaldo sound like he is the only one who does this.

And saf didnt play him in the next game.

 

[McGrathsipan]

ETH is the man.

fecking signs of life at last when it comes to how this team is managed!

 

[Strelok]

Well he does and he will, he might even play a big part between now and the end of the season and then we can boot him out.

I don't know if he'll or not. But imo it's extremely stupid and lacking self respect to smile and shake the hands of someone who just spat on you. We'll be a laughing stock and look down on by the whole football world if this piece of shit ever plays for us again.

Football wise speaking yeah he might play a big part in making the team much much worse.

 

[crossy1686]

Benefits of doubts implies that there is room for doubts. What are you doubting about? He left the bench without the approval of his manager, he left the team earlier this season without the approval of his manager and he had a mini rant about the truth that he was supposed to reveal nearly two months ago.

The benefits of doubts applies to an unexpected or out of character behaviors not to someone doing the same type of nonsense in a relatively short period of time.

Just because someone has done something before doesn't mean it's the same in every case, and yes, it's easy to say these things after the facts have come out. I prefer to wait for the facts before condemning someone. There's no prizes award for being the first to call someone a cnut, in fact everyone loses.

 

[Real Name]

Rashford was downtooling for a year, last year. I think it's way more offensive than leaving with minutes to go in one game, don't you think so?

Has he ever apologized to fans?

What the hell?

And no, it isnt just one game, he missed preseason, left the game in preseason, had a tantrum over being subbed against Brentford and so on.

 

[FrantikChicken]

Rashford was downtooling for a year, last year. I think it's way more offensive than leaving with minutes to go in one game, don't you think so?

this is purely speculation. Please provide proof? Rashford was not playing well sure, but it could have been for a number of reasons. Maybe his back wasn’t at 100% from his surgery, maybe he has some very big problems in his personal life, etc. and let’s be honest, not a single player in this squad came out of last year with a positive review.