99% of non-pro's would not have the discipline if we had that kind of talent it came that effortlessly. First million quid us lot would make, we'd splurge it on booze and brasses.
Ronaldinho
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99% of non-pro's would not have the discipline if we had that kind of talent it came that effortlessly. First million quid us lot would make, we'd splurge it on booze and brasses.
It's incredibly hard to find examples of players as good and successful as Ronaldinho who have sustained their success and careers straight through to 35 and then retired... Ronaldinho, if he really wanted it, could probably use Flamengo to get in shape for a couple of seasons and still come back to Europe after - if he really wanted. But he probably doesn't need or want to do that.
What about the fans that believe in players like Ronaldinho, surely that is enough to stay focused, it's not like being dedicated to your craft is denying you from having fun, just don't do in excess, stay focused. You owe it to yourself to remain on top.
If you're honestly excusing his lack of motivation, I hope to not see another Berba bashing post of yours calling him lazy.
Berba hasn't won half of what Ronaldinho has or reached the level Ronaldinho had.
You do sound somewhat self-righteous deciding what Ronaldinho should and shouldn't be motivated by...
Have you lost your marbles or something? When did he win the World Cup? 2002. The Champions League? 2006. What's he done since? fecked his career. And no I'm not Pele but I don't particularly enjoy watching maybe the most insanely gifted player I've ever seen flush his career down the drain. Because compared to the 2004-06 Ronaldinho that is what he has done since.
I can't excuse Ronaldinho for not giving his all to his craft, bloody hell not even 40% by the looks of it, he reasons being thrown around such as having money, it's unprofessional and it throws shit at the fans who believed in him. I can't excuse it from any footballer.
Anyways that's just my opinion, he's had a great career, he had probably 3 seasons where he was truly best in the world, but maybe one day, just maybe he would look back at his career and admit he still had much more to give, he could have been remembered with Maradona etc but it was his own unacceptable behaviour that stopped him from reaching those greats.
A guy with his insane talent should have finished his career with a better legacy than what he is currently in danger of finishing with.
He hasn't fecked it to be precise, but he's wasted the chance to be an GOAT.
He'll still be remembered for having a great career and being one of the best players to have played the game, but let's have it right, he's only 30, and the talent he had, he should have been at the peak of his powers right now, still producing those magnificent performances he produced mid career. 2006 should have been his World Cup, but it never happened, and he was never the same player. Clearly took his eye off the ball and let his off field life take over his on field. Barca are culpable for letting it happen too
He's taken an easy career move home to a weak league. I loved watching him in his peak but he's a shadow of that now, even after a decent season last year
He's taken an easy career move home to a weak league. I loved watching him in his peak but he's a shadow of that now, even after a decent season last year
Great talent but don't be silly.
They are, but they would turn a blind eye to his antics aslong as he would keep delivering, when he stopped delivering they had to get rid of him, and to be fair, with the level of professionalism Pep has instilled, they have never looked back.
I didn't mean above Maradona etc, I mean't he'd have had a chance to be rated as one of the greatest to have played the game... the likes of Zidane or just below.
At the moment, I don't think he'll be well remembered as he could've been by future generations and thats sad especially when you look at the current list of supposed superstars we have.
Compared to Messi and Ronaldo, Ronaldinho at his peak was on another planet.
Ronaldinho was more entertaining to watch, but on another planet to Messi?
Nah
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Fair enough. But I think you're being disingenuous by saying he was on a different planet to Messi and Ronaldo (C).
He was, he could play against physical defenders and just bounce them off... so much variability in his game, a genuine innovator who changed the way people play the game.
Messi and Ronaldo are effiecient footballers and the former I back to add more weapons and become more entertaining as he goes on in his career (Messi has a certain Silk to his game which I greatly admire)... but thus far I stick to what I believe, Ronaldinho at his peak was a more fascinating sight.
By the end of Messi's career I'm sure this will hopefully change though.
I'd be interested to know which Ronaldinho you'll remember - the one who was the best player in the world for two years or the fat mess he became?
Too be fair to him he was a superb player who when he was at the top of his game was sublime.
He gest criticism because of the fact that although he was great, he could have been the greatest and giving that up becuase you can't keep the weight off is a poor excuse.
He'll go back to brazil and look great in a poor league. Big fish - small pond. A waste though.
Summer 2010 - Rio de Janeiro
I don't think he's become a fat mess and I'll remember him from the World Cup in 02 and his game-dictating Barca days...
I agree with Raess - he was fascinating to watch. Maybe never the athlete Messi and Ronaldo are but he had/has more guile, craft and I'd say vision too...
I just don't get this gross desire some feel to get on a high horse and judge him. Someone above complained he was 'only the best in the world for 3 years'. Who else can say that?
The truth is he doesn't come from a background that engenders a ferocious, long-term work ethic - he was never going to be a world beater for 10 years.
I'll remember him for how he was those three years and I'm just glad we had them - he's certainly given me more pleasure than any other footballer the last decade...
Yeah, enjoying being a millionaire on a beach in Rio, probably shortly to be joined by a bunch of gagging for it girls in thongs. What a loser.
Could somebody post screen shots of updated stats on the EA and manager games? 
Summer 2010 - Rio de Janeiro
When's it due?
I'm not entirely sure that Ronaldinho photo's not been edited. He's certainly gone some to end up looking like that after looking very good at the end of last season for Milan.
Cheap or free, hell yeah.
Is he auditioning for the role of Pedobear?
He is pregnant
He may not have achieved what we wanted but he's left his mark on the game and will always be remembered as a magician.
The most creative passer and dribbler I've ever seen.
The most creative passer and dribbler I've ever seen.
Atleast he never got this big
I'd still rather watch him in that state than 99% of other players.
I've a video of him on my camera warming up at the Allianz Arena before the semi-final of the Audi Cup last August - nearly worth the admission fee alone.
I'll call that and raise you..
To be fair, he was retiredMan what's with these greats, Ronaldo Lima: Fat, Dinho: Chubby, Maradona: Obese, Pele: erectile disfunction
This is what he's been all about
I remember watching that game, he still had his moments of magic, that season though he was just so slow and sluggish and would continually slow down the Barca attacks, I knew something just wasn't right, it was actually a pre curser to his downfall.
In that season he scored something like 20 goals but he was still heavily criticized.He's a misunderstood genius
They were mostly set pieces and penalties, his open play left alot to be desired from everybody, he was never a goal scorer anyway, it's not what people came to see from his, he was sluggish, he slowed down attacks, he was becoming a problem despite his statistics.
When Messi came back from injury he carried Barca, and became the real main guy on the team, and the baton was passed from then on.
It takes skill to score from them, specially FKs.The problem was that Riijkard never managed to control Ronaldinho nor his other frivolous teammates (Giovanni,Eto'o,Deco).Ronaldinho let himself waste but the coach didn't really his best to get him back to his best
I agree with this. Trouble is it's hard for us to know what goes on behind the scenes. With hindsight, it definitely looks like Dunga finished off his Brazil career unncessarily but we'll never know what went on between them.
I'm sure Ronaldinho struggled to come to terms with being cast aside by the national team - must have been particularly hard for him this summer.
Who is the new AC Milan manager, anyone know?
Rijkaard was too relaxed, he couldn't control the egos in the team, he was the kind of manager who just sat back and let the players express themselves.
In the 2007/08 season when they finished forth Ronaldinho wasn't playing despite nothing being wrong with him (we all remember that mystery injury) and there was reports that even Messi had started to be affected, and even he was fecking up.
The team needed some sort of discipline and to let the people who were dragging the moral down go, that is where Pep came in, Eto'o was on his way too, but fortunately he wanted to stay and turn it around...
hmm, then Pep chucked him out too the following season.
It was under Rijkaard Barca turned the corner and became the dominant force of the game Boss, I wouldn't bust him too much for his lack of management skills. He clearly had something right