He's been pretty good for Villa considering....
Ron Vlaar
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He's been pretty good for Villa considering....
Whenever I happen to watch Villa being handed their routine spanking by the top sides, he's usually the only defender who looks like he has a clue. Often being the reason Villa hold on for as long as they do.
He's had many good games against the top sides. I haven't seen that much of him in the other games though, so maybe that's just him raising his game.
I don't think he'd improve our first team much (I think he's better than Jones and about level with Evans), but as a rotation option I'd take him for a good price. I don't think it'll happen though.
I really like the look of de Vrij, and I think he might be who we go for, assuming Hummels is going nowhere.
He's had many good games against the top sides. I haven't seen that much of him in the other games though, so maybe that's just him raising his game.
I don't think he'd improve our first team much (I think he's better than Jones and about level with Evans), but as a rotation option I'd take him for a good price. I don't think it'll happen though.
I really like the look of de Vrij, and I think he might be who we go for, assuming Hummels is going nowhere.
Didn't cross the line anyway...
Oh and he touched it, but other than that yeah definite goal:
How much did Villa sign him for? I reckon his value has been doubled since the start of the WC. He's been outstanding in every match, and I will certainly be paying close attention to him in the upcoming season.
2 years older and only 1 year left on contract. So 25-30m should be about fair.
Has there been any Roncrete information about linking him up with any other club?
At his age it's unlikely he'll get another chance to move to a big club, I can't see him turning us down if we follow up our interest.
That imaginary interest we have in him?
I'm happy to leave it up to Louis, you've had a problem with Vlaar since the story first came out that we're interested at the start of the World Cup. Now he's been one of the stars of the tournament you don't want to change your mind.
I think people underrate Vlaar just because he plays for Aston Villa. We would rate him more if he played for some Dutch club. Truth is, he was the main reason Villa didn't get relegated last season, one of their few bright spots
Said nothing about Vlaar, just that you're claiming we have interest when there's no reputable source suggesting we do.
Wouldnt actually mind him as our more experienced CB, to provide a bit of stability and competition for our own.
He has been fantastic this World Cup.
He has been fantastic this World Cup.
No denying he's had a great World Cup but at the same time he's been massively helped by the fact he's had another centre half at either side of him. Not good enough for us and I doubt we'd be discussing it if he wasn't Dutch.
Agree with Santos J
Excellent again last night, easily the Dutch player of the tournament and unlucky not to be nominated for the Golden Ball IMO.
Yeah he was easily better then Arjen Robben.
Are people actually suggesting we sign Ron Vlaar? Mental!
If he wasn't Dutch and our new manager wasn't his former one, we'd never be considering the idea of Ron Vlaar at United.
He's a decent player, I think we'd be fine with him in our defence for a bunch of games over a season but if we want to challenge for the title in the medium term future, signings like Vlaar are what we need to avoid. At best the idea of Vlaar replacing Vidic is like replacing Fabregas with Arteta.
De Vrij is just as good with the high possibility he'll improve and end up a much better CB when he's Vlaar's age of 29. In fact he's likely to be a better CB in a year let alone the rest.
As for the idea that Vlaar brings experience to our backline, experience of what?
The likes of Evans have won leagues and cups, have the experience of the latter stages of the champions league.
Vlaar has only the experience of coming 3rd at the world cup in 2014, that he's just got this week and so has the rest of the Dutch squad
He's a decent player, I think we'd be fine with him in our defence for a bunch of games over a season but if we want to challenge for the title in the medium term future, signings like Vlaar are what we need to avoid. At best the idea of Vlaar replacing Vidic is like replacing Fabregas with Arteta.
De Vrij is just as good with the high possibility he'll improve and end up a much better CB when he's Vlaar's age of 29. In fact he's likely to be a better CB in a year let alone the rest.
As for the idea that Vlaar brings experience to our backline, experience of what?
The likes of Evans have won leagues and cups, have the experience of the latter stages of the champions league.
Vlaar has only the experience of coming 3rd at the world cup in 2014, that he's just got this week and so has the rest of the Dutch squad
I'm happy to leave that decision to Louis, if he wants big Ron then we'll get him and nothing you say will change that. I'd imagine he's below Hummels on our list though
Was thinking about this dude last night, randomly.
Got dismissed out of hand when people suggested LVG might be in for him but why wouldn't he? He wants a bit of leadership and experience at the back. He's looking for someone comfortable with the formations and tactics he likes to use and it will obviously be a big bonus that he ticks all those boxes, plus is used to playing in the Premier League and is likely to be a much cheaper option than the other names mentioned.
Finally, LVG has just coached the Dutch team on a really impressive run in the World Cup. I don't think anyone would disagree that this dude would go down as one of Holland's best 2 or 3 performers on that run. I'm sure Van Gaal doesn't give a monkeys how highly rated he is by PL fans in general but surely he must rate him quite highly himself?
Just seems like a really obvious choice. Convince me otherwise, caftards. Why wouldn't Van Gaal be interested in signing him?
Got dismissed out of hand when people suggested LVG might be in for him but why wouldn't he? He wants a bit of leadership and experience at the back. He's looking for someone comfortable with the formations and tactics he likes to use and it will obviously be a big bonus that he ticks all those boxes, plus is used to playing in the Premier League and is likely to be a much cheaper option than the other names mentioned.
Finally, LVG has just coached the Dutch team on a really impressive run in the World Cup. I don't think anyone would disagree that this dude would go down as one of Holland's best 2 or 3 performers on that run. I'm sure Van Gaal doesn't give a monkeys how highly rated he is by PL fans in general but surely he must rate him quite highly himself?
Just seems like a really obvious choice. Convince me otherwise, caftards. Why wouldn't Van Gaal be interested in signing him?
Without being a smartarse, because he's bang average. A good WC doesn't change that for me.
Jaysus I hope not..
I get what your saying Pogue and i wouldn't be against the signing per se but on the other hand if LVG can get Vlaar performing to such a level surely he can get just as much and more out of the better players we already have in Evans, Smalling and potentially Jones
Vlaar is too slow for what Van Gaal is trying to achieve at United. We need to play with a high back line and a compact shape to increase the number of passing options available to the man in possession. Concrete Ron just doesn't have the mobility required to play in a high back line.
If you need a reminder of what happens when playing a sluggish CB high up the park, here is a moment of comedy gold from the big man.
If you need a reminder of what happens when playing a sluggish CB high up the park, here is a moment of comedy gold from the big man.
Wasn't this disproved at the World Cup when he showed great pace? If you go back a few pages you'll find gifs of big Ron outpacing Hazard last season too.
Last summer people made jokes about us signing the average players our manager at the time use to manage. Now we are talking about possibly signing average players our current manager used to manage and some our actually serious.
You think Van Gaal watched him in the world cup and saw him as a "bang average" footballer who was playing out of his skin?
Basically, what I'm getting at, is that we all watch him for Villa and decide he's crap but has Van Gaal more likely to judge him on those games or the games when he was playing for Van Gaal?
Won't he focus on the great performances for Holland (which were indisputably great) and assume that he can get him playing at that same level for United? The issue here isn't why any of us might think he's a poor signing but on what basis would LVG assume he couldn't use him?
Of course, I haven't watched him play under Van Gaal for Holland before the World Cup. If he was a bag of shite in those games then that's the end of that...
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Feck me, if we signed Vlaar and De Jong, the explosion would be that large, the caf would cease to exist!
With the right system and manager, perhaps Vlaar could reproduce his world cup form.
Based on recent performances, and fitness issues, it's not obvious why Vermaelen is a better centre back than Vlaar.
Based on recent performances, and fitness issues, it's not obvious why Vermaelen is a better centre back than Vlaar.
So you're asking if LVG might think he's worth a punt based on his experience of him? Then yeah, the answer might be that he could go for him if he can't get the players he wants, even though he's been open about the quality of the Netherlands squad not being what he would have liked. But for my money there's not much of a difference between him doing that and Moyes buying Fellaini really. Vlaar was decent in the WC but hasn't really stood out since arriving in the PL. Fellaini arrived on the back of good form in the PL and the manager trusting him, but similarly looked a level below. I'm hopeful LVG won't make the same mistake as Moyes did. I'd like to think he got more from Vlaar than he could expect over a long domestic season.
At the moment there are no world class defenders that we appear able to sign. The three senior defenders we have are very good and if given games together potentially excellent.
In those circumstances we should make Jones, Smalling and Evans our first choice defence and buy another experienced defender as back up. People should get used to the idea of the likes of Vermaelen and Vlaar as they're the type of player that's almost certainly going to come in.
In those circumstances we should make Jones, Smalling and Evans our first choice defence and buy another experienced defender as back up. People should get used to the idea of the likes of Vermaelen and Vlaar as they're the type of player that's almost certainly going to come in.
All quiet on him at moment.
Meant to have been awesome today
Meant to have been awesome today
Wouldnt mind him at all. Best defender at the world cup
I have a mate who is a Villa fan and he loves him. Last season he told me he was the only reason they weren't getting relegated.
He kept a clean sheet today that was a lot better than we did....Vlaar would be a huge improvement on what we already have in defence
"No he isn't good enough for United"
Thankfully, United's current defence is so great
Thankfully, United's current defence is so great