That will be less than £50m? Nah.
Romeo Lavia | Chelsea bound?
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Well apparently, yes. By all accounts, next on their list is Andre Trindade, for less than 50m.
By your logic Real Madrid weakened Liverpool by buying Jude Bellingham, to put it in perspective.
Except you were never signing Bellingham, so your point is dead before it gets off the ground.
I think Amrabat is a sensible transfer in that he seems a great fit for what we need in midfield but he's clearly a poor man's Frenkie if you want to look at it that way. Has a good skillset and does what he does effectively but not to the elite level that say a FdJ has shown in terms of passing, dribbling etc (might be confusing as Amrabat is elite in terms of volumes but I believe FdJ can execute at higher difficulty levels).
However, Lavia is a bit of a Unicorn in that he's 19 and is showing aptitude at one of the more difficult roles for younger players. The fact that clubs are willing to pay €50mn for Lavia at 19 whereas Amrabat has had a solid if unspectacular career suggests that the market agrees that Lavia has a higher ceiling (whether he reaches it or not). Lavia is already showing elite levels of press resistance (I think Amrabat is a lot more basic in this), which is really crucial for against pressing systems and his long passing is extremely good to the extent that Pythagoras in Boots account compared him to Pirlo in his analysis. It's also the potential longevity you would get for €50mn should he turn out to be really good and if he's not good enough, he's young enough to command a good fee to offset his purchase.
And of course you know all about whether we are close to signing Lavia or not, don't you?
I'll leave it be, no point arguing such a silly thing anyway.
Well because you've made a fool of yourself tbh. I said, *if* we were to sign Lavia, it would weaken Liverpool, taking their long-established target away from an area of need, less than a week before the beginning of the season.And of course you know all about whether we are close to signing Lavia or not, don't you?
I'll leave it be, no point arguing such a silly thing anyway.
You started talking about Southampton and Andre.
Because I disagree that it would weaken us, man. Not hard to comprehend, have a nice day.
You too.
I didn't watch Southampton last season. Is he really worth the hype? 50million for a kid who got relegated and has one season worth of experience is... A lot.
Personal opinion yes. But not like I've watched a ton. But of what I did I find him a very complete midfielder. Not too dissimilar to Mainoo.
Since you know his ceiling, how well he would fit in etc. What do you base this on? You compare him to other players, so one would think you've watched him a lot
Mainoo is not worth 50m
Of course not, he hasnt played anywhere near the games or shown it at senior level. I find their games similair is what I said. Press resistant, able to receive the ball in midifled under pressure, good running with the ball, good passing.
Are there any rumours linking him to us? For all I've read it was almost done with Liverpool.
i think its just the usual leaks that clubs do by name dropping Man Utd to pressure the buying club (Liverpool in this case) into paying more.
If someone offered us £50m for Mainoo and accepted it, would you think "Good business" or "We shouldn't have let him go for that" if those were your only options? Not knocking you just interested because as strange as it is, he isn't currently worth that but I'd be annoyed if we sold him for that.Mainoo is not worth 50m
I would take it in a heartbeat. As good as he looked, he's played 3 pre-season matches and is currently injured.
Perhaps I'm a dreamer!
Whilst you're not wrong, I'd find that incredibly depressing. Especially considering how we've spent down the years.
The best ones always are, in fairness.
Yeah I'd hate to lose him too as he looks a really exciting prospect, but would probably choose to sell simply on the likely outcome of how many players make it/what level they end up at.
I'd bite their bloody hand off for £50m!
Absolutely good business ? Kid is talented but hasn’t proven a thing yet.
I don't think Lavia guarantee's more and Mainoo is already favored by the manager who clearly only uses youngsters if he see's something special in them so that's a huge vote of confidence and I think he can easily replicate Lavia's season last season
I like the look of Mainoo but there's a world of difference between Lavia and him as it stands - one has a full PL season as a starter under his belt and came away with multiple CL teams bidding for him even with his team going down, the other looked decent in some pre season games.
Out of interest, who are the multiple CL teams that bid for him? Liverpool are the only club confirmed, and they're not even in CL.
This brightened my day as I forgot Pool missed out
I guess Chelsea have not officially bid but there's a lot of noise there + I have seen us linked with him although that seems unlikely given Amrabat seems almost done as soon as we sell McT or Maguire
All I can take from this thread is that Lavia is a promising young player who could be an understudy to Casemeiro and assume his mantle as the long term No 6 in a couple of years. He has EPL experience.
Amrabat is apparently a better player according to some on this thread, but he is not a natural No 6, has never played in the EPL, has hardly shone at Fiorentina but had a decent World Cup.
My question is: If you are so confident in Casemeiro and therefore don't need a Number 6 for a couple of season, why would you not buy the younger EPL experienced player in Lavia which would give you future solidity in a difficult position as well as weaken Liverpool who have taken far too long to get this transfer over the line.
If Lavia is as promising as some on this thread claim, his value will at least double in the next 3-4 seasons.
Amrabat is apparently a better player according to some on this thread, but he is not a natural No 6, has never played in the EPL, has hardly shone at Fiorentina but had a decent World Cup.
My question is: If you are so confident in Casemeiro and therefore don't need a Number 6 for a couple of season, why would you not buy the younger EPL experienced player in Lavia which would give you future solidity in a difficult position as well as weaken Liverpool who have taken far too long to get this transfer over the line.
If Lavia is as promising as some on this thread claim, his value will at least double in the next 3-4 seasons.
This brightened my day as I forgot Pool missed out
I guess Chelsea have not officially bid but there's a lot of noise there + I have seen us linked with him although that seems unlikely given Amrabat seems almost done as soon as we sell McT or Maguire
I'll take any opportunity I can to humiliate Liverpool
I think Chelsea might be in the race, but reckon he's their back-up if Caicedo falls through. They need to be quick or he'll be playing for Liverpool soon.
Because it would literally block his developing trajectory? He played a full season of Premier League football, and you think he is going to come here to play 4-5 PL games and some cup appearances?
"Just buy". Funny thing that
United's fourth choice midfielder is not going to play 4-5 PL games though, is he. Now that Eriksen's influence is dwindling and his legs are shot, Lavia would be a rotation player in almost every game. He'd also get plenty of starting opportunities given Casemiro's disciplinary record in addition to cups.Because it would literally block his developing trajectory? He played a full season of Premier League football, and you think he is going to come here to play 4-5 PL games and some cup appearances?
"Just buy". Funny thing that
Caught a few of his performances for the saints and he was impressive for the duties of his role. Statistically very telling as he has some good defensive stats that's not only reflective of the league but also in Europe. His development for me has a similar feel to Camavinga when he was at Rennes, groundbreaking numbers for his age but still relatively underrated because they weren't playing on big stages. Slight difference with Camavinga is that performance against PSG which boosted his profile. Lavia is reminiscent of this in some regards (trajectory not talent) but hasn't had a moment where everyone is taking notice which is why 50M is smart business for a young player who can easily service a club 7+ years of contribution. Him and Amadou Onana were very effective throughout periods of last season and within that younger age bracket.
Are we sure he would be the fourth choice? I reckon he'd be fifth, behind Eriksen, and I imagine Mount would be subbed off before Casemiro. Lavia offers nothing in terms of offensive contributions, so it's not likely he would come on if we are chasing goals either.
If Lavia would play nearly every game, I'm all for signing him. I just don't think that's what Ten Hag would do.
Camavinga did that at 16 and 17, and his numbers were actually insane. He was top percentile for both tackling and interceptions.
Lavia has slightly above average statistics when it comes to tackling and interceptions, and his passing stats are not really anything to brag about. It's his calming influence, physique and press resistance that makes him stand out for a 19 year old.
Question is if he's worth paying £50m for when we have a player with similar traits and abilities coming through. Put Mainoo in the Southampton team, and I don't think he would do a lot worse. It's easy to say he has done nothing to warrant this comparison, but there's a reason he is being incredibly hyped by Ten Hag and the coaches as an 18 year old midfielder, and his abilities are clear for everyone to see.
Klopp to Siri:
‘‘search for midfielders with release clauses in their contracts’’.
‘‘search for midfielders with release clauses in their contracts’’.
wtfRough summer for Liverpool if he ends up at Chelsea