Romelu Lukaku

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I swear he gave the ball away about a dozen times in the last 30 minutes and was one of the main reasons for Newcastle's comeback, yet the commentators and pundits were waxing lyrical about his great technique.
 
Brwned said:
I swear he gave the ball away about a dozen times in the last 30 minutes and was one of the main reasons for Newcastle's comeback, yet the commentators and pundits were waxing lyrical about his great technique.
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It was shocking. He completed 69% of his passes.
 
He's better than Eto'o right now for sure, strange decision from Maureen.
 
I reckon he's still very very raw. His decision making isn't quite there yet. But he is going to be a superb PL forward and the comparisons with Drogba are there for all to see, although Drogba was a late bloomer.
 
Exactly. Like i said earlier in the thread, at the age he is at, all that matters is that he is showing evidence of improvement and more importantly that he is scoring. He's doing both superbly.
 
What Everton having been crying out for - a throw-back to the days of Graeme Sharp, Bob Latchford, Joe Royle or Fred Pickering.
 
MoneyMay said:
It was shocking. He completed 69% of his passes.
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Stats, though, stats. Almost irrelevant in this discussion. He was sloppy in the second half, granted and if they hadn't have held on it would be an issue. He's given them the personality up front they've been crying out for.
 
He's a beast of a striker. Not sure he'd be suited to Chelsea's set up at the moment, so I can see why they loaned him out.
 
His performance showed plenty of things to improve on, but he's clearly good enough to compete with Torres and Ba. Maybe Chelsea couldnt find buyers or something?
 
SilentWitness said:
Exactly. Like i said earlier in the thread, at the age he is at, all that matters is that he is showing evidence of improvement and more importantly that he is scoring. He's doing both superbly.
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To me it doesn't matter how young or old you are. If you're 6ft plus and a physical beast then it shouldn't really matter. Because what does maturity and smarts buy you in these cases? When you are physically ready to bully defenders and can do so it doesn't matter what age you are.

He's not being asked to be a keen poacher or a technical defensive forward or something. It's just 'go out there and bully and you'll get goals'. Which is baffling that Chelsea would just let this kind of thing go.
 
Sixpence said:
So? He scored 2 goals and won them the game!
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So he was a poor passing-wise and needs to improve in this regard. I like how you're ignoring this. Yes, he won them the game, which is great, but his passing was poor throughout the game, thus he isn't immune from criticism. Really baffling logic.
 
Brwned said:
I swear he gave the ball away about a dozen times in the last 30 minutes and was one of the main reasons for Newcastle's comeback, yet the commentators and pundits were waxing lyrical about his great technique.
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Aye, was immense in the first half. Looked A different player after the break, maybe a bit tired and casual.
 
MoneyMay said:
So he was a poor passing-wise and needs to improve in this regard. I like how you're ignoring this. Yes, he won them the game, which is great, but his passing was poor throughout the game, thus he isn't immune from criticism. Really baffling logic.
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To be fair I'd rather have a striker who can score and a constant threat in attack, rather than a striker who can pass the ball well, if I have to choose one.
 
ghaliboy said:
To me it doesn't matter how young or old you are. If you're 6ft plus and a physical beast then it shouldn't really matter. Because what does maturity and smarts buy you in these cases? When you are physically ready to bully defenders and can do so it doesn't matter what age you are.

He's not being asked to be a keen poacher or a technical defensive forward or something. It's just 'go out there and bully and you'll get goals'. Which is baffling that Chelsea would just let this kind of thing go.
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I dont think it's about age here. It's about his maturity. You're dead right he's a beast and really talented but great strikers wouldn't give the ball away so cheaply and if you did that against a top side in Europe you would likely pay the price. Which is possibly why Mourinho sent him on loan. I disagree with his decision. I'd have kept him and sold Torres and played him in about 30 premier league games and all the group games in Europe with Ba and Etoo as back up.
 
MoneyMay said:
So he was a poor passing-wise and needs to improve in this regard. I like how you're ignoring this. Yes, he won them the game, which is great, but his passing was poor throughout the game, thus he isn't immune from criticism. Really baffling logic.
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There's your answer. That's basically it. I want my strikers scoring goals and winning matches rather than having some nice passing stats. Leave those to the midfielders. The only baffling logic is you thinking passing is more important to a striker than scoring goals.
 
Sixpence said:
There's your answer. That's basically it. I want my strikers scoring goals and winning matches rather than having some nice passing stats. Leave those to the midfielders. The only baffling logic is you thinking passing is more important to a striker than scoring goals.
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None the last sentence is true. Please, do show me where I said passing is important to a striker more than goals. Instead of fabrications, please debate with what I said. And I'll say it again: he won the game for Everton with one assist and two goals, but his overall play was really poor. He can improve, he has the potential to become a great striker, but using your logic is - and I'll say it again - baffling. It's not an insult, it's really confusing. Remember the 4-0 win vs. Aston Villa in 2012, where Rooney scored two goals, but his overall play was shocking? You know what happened in that game? Fergie took him off and he said that he was disappointed with his performance. We are no longer living in the old school era, where technically-limited strikers can escape criticism. Positions are changing. Take Hernández, for example. Why did Fergie prefer Welbeck, an inferior goalscorer, to Hernández in 11/12? A striker's role goes much further than scoring goals, really.
 
In fairness there was a lot more to praise than criticize about his performance last night. Of course there will be fine tuning but I'd be surprised if he doesn't become one of the top strikers in the league.
 
MoneyMay said:
So he was a poor passing-wise and needs to improve in this regard. I like how you're ignoring this. Yes, he won them the game, which is great, but his passing was poor throughout the game, thus he isn't immune from criticism. Really baffling logic.
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He will only get better with the passing and overall confidence in other areas, the more he plays. Chelsea keeping him on the bench isn't going to help in that regard. When you're a club like Chelsea with an owner like Abramovich, the patience to wait on a striker like Lukaku is low as the manager is constantly under immense pressure.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
He will only get better with the passing and overall confidence in other areas, the more he plays. Chelsea keeping him on the bench isn't going to help in that regard. When you're a club like Chelsea with an owner like Abramovich, the patience to wait on a striker like Lukaku is low as the manager is constantly under immense pressure.
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And that's what I think. He'll become a great striker, granted he works hard.
 
MoneyMay said:
It was shocking. He completed 69% of his passes.
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In two CL games, Lewandowski has completed 68.4% of his passes. He's regarded as the top out and out striker in Europe at the moment.

I think there is a trade off with strikers of this mould in giving the ball away but pretty much guaranteeing you goals. Everton are lucky to have him and it really is Chelsea's loss. How many games can they go without their strikers scoring?
 
brewlio said:
Aye, was immense in the first half. Looked A different player after the break, maybe a bit tired and casual.
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Same trend again here. Put it down to him lacking match fitness or is that something to do with his physique and playing style?
 
He'll learn how to manage himself over 90 minutes as he gets older. Playing as a lone striker is never easy as they say, lots of lonely running and closing down.
 
Put too much in in the first half, just needs to pace himself better or agree a swap out after 65 mins.
 

I'm sure we've all realized by now how good he is, but this highlights it. Funny how Chelsea loaned him out again, and while he probably wasn't completely ready for first team at the highest level, they would've been better off trusting him. He'll probably be an instant first choice next year though.
 
bosnian_red said:

I'm sure we've all realized by now how good he is, but this highlights it. Funny how Chelsea loaned him out again, and while he probably wasn't completely ready for first team at the highest level, they would've been better off trusting him. He'll probably be an instant first choice next year though.
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He knows how to score goals but he still needs to work on the rest of his game. His first touch for example is simply appalling. I don't think he's good enough for a top team yet and I can understand Mourinho's decision to loan him out, it's better than to have him warm the bench every week.
 
Ainu said:
He knows how to score goals but he still needs to work on the rest of his game. His first touch for example is simply appalling. I don't think he's good enough for a top team yet and I can understand Mourinho's decision to loan him out, it's better than to have him warm the bench every week.
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I'd agree with this. Just because he's scoring doesn't necessarily mean he'll be banging them in for a top team. Look at Demba Ba. He was prolific for Newcastle but has been less than impressive for Chelsea.
 
Ainu said:
He knows how to score goals but he still needs to work on the rest of his game. His first touch for example is simply appalling. I don't think he's good enough for a top team yet and I can understand Mourinho's decision to loan him out, it's better than to have him warm the bench every week.
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After this season, he'll probably be more ready to start for a big club. I think his overall game is clearly lacking (I made this comment after the Newcastle win). There was a 3 v 2 opportunity against Liverpool last week and he made a very poor pass. He needs to work on his first touch, too, but once he improves these key elements, he's going to be a top striker.
 
I thought that was a better performance than the one against Liverpool. His passing is still off, he completed a shocking 13 out of 25 passes. But, that was a great ball for the winner and his physicality got the better of Vidic on a couple of occasions.
 
Some his passes were attempted through passes into the box. Some of them looked dangerous, but we cut them out well.

He was a real handful, and he's surprisingly quick for such a big physique.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Some his passes were attempted through passes into the box. Some of them looked dangerous, but we cut them out well.

He was a real handful, and he's surprisingly quick for such a big physique.
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I watched the game again. He attempted one through ball. He tried a couple of first time passes (backwards) and messed up some easy balls.

He's already one of the best strikers in the league, but he'll get better once he improves his overall play. He uses his body well and realises what he can do with this advantage.
 
But we should have appointed Mourinho and had him carry on the great Utd tradition of promoting youth, right?
 
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