Romelu Lukaku

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RedSky At Night said:
That's hardly hampered there pursuit of young players has it? There's been plenty of young players that have sat on the Chelsea bench yet they continue to sign for Chelsea.
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Your acting under the assumption every young player is desperate to prove themselves and doesn't just want a pay cheque now. I think plenty of very good youngsters would be deterred {I don't include players like Hazard in that, who were bound for the first XI}

I think he's probably frustrated. Having said that, he was given a chance and he did blow it at the start of the season for Chelsea. I do agree with the bolded point though. He's probably one of the best young strikers in Europe, so I'm sure there are many admirers.
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I don't see that there a striker his age at his level currently, for me he's the best In the world for his position at his age, so I'm just praying and trying to convince myself perhaps he'll want to leave :lol:
 
Jaybezia said:
Your acting under the assumption every young player is desperate to prove themselves and doesn't just want a pay cheque now. I think plenty of very good youngsters would be deterred {I don't include players like Hazard in that, who were bound for the first XI}
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If that was the case, they wouldn't keep signing youngsters though. Although I'm interested to see how Mourinho does with the young players considering that was the main criticism thrown at him in the Summer.

Jaybezia said:
I don't see that there a striker his age at his level currently, for me he's the best In the world for his position at his age, so I'm just praying and trying to convince myself perhaps he'll want to leave :lol:
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Agreed with this. Be nice if he does feck Chelsea over, i'd take him at United in a heartbeat tbh.
 
RedSky At Night said:
If that was the case, they wouldn't keep signing youngsters though. Although I'm interested to see how Mourinho does with the young players considering that was the main criticism thrown at him in the Summer.
Agreed with this. Be nice if he does feck Chelsea over, i'd take him at United in a heartbeat tbh.
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Yes it will be interesting, I think that was most people's only real objection to Mourinho at United, that and length of tenure, but if he was staying longer, he'd look more at the youth, they go hand in hand I suppose. I unfortunately think Mourinho has a very clever way about him and will be able to turn his head and make him feel special, to stroke an ego, you need someone with a bigger ego, and I suppose by that account, there aren't many above Mourinho..
 
Hellboy said:
The majority of the people here just eat what the media give to them without actually try and look into what the quenelle really means.
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I have read up about it.

kouroux said:
Please don't comment on things you have little knowledge of. This "quenelle" thing has been blown out of ridiculous, banning Anelka would be a joke.
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I've read up on what the quenelle actually does mean.
 
BarneyLFC said:
I have read up about it.



I've read up on what the quenelle actually does mean.
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What's been mostly said about the quenelle and its real meaning in the media couldn't have been more biased. Even in France, the authorities have yet to condemn Dieudonné or his followers for using it because there is no real definitive meaning to it.
 
@Jaybezia and @RedSky At Night

After watching Lukaku in each game he's played for us i wouldn't be surprised or blame Mourinho if he decided to loan him again next season. He has 9 goals and 5 assists in 17 PL games which is brilliant for the age he is, and he does a brilliant job of bullying defenders with his strength and pace yet if he's up against players or teams who have an effective game plan against that then his build up play isn't sufficient enough as of yet to adjust to a different game-plan his-self.
I did comment previously that if the player is scoring then great, you'd rather have a goalscorer and some-one scoring consistently and winning you games due to that, but when things aren't going well ala West Brom, it can be incredibly frustrating at how poor his decision making, first touch, and general 'build-up' play can be at times. It could be that Mourinho is wanting more from a striker than Lukaku can offer just now, which is why he was so keen on letting him go on loan. There is the argument though that if he is given a run in the Chelsea side he has a better chance of crafting that side of his game considering he'd be working with exceptional technical players such as Hazard, Oscar etc.
 
@SilentWitness

Brilliant Post, but do you believe if Torres or Eto'o were loaned to Everton they would have outdone him? That's the point, not how great he currently is, but how much better than what they have he currently is, moreover, IMO there was space for Eto'o, Torres and Lukaku in one team, if not you sell one of Torres/Eto'o as they are both out and out goal scorers whereas for me Lukaku is more than a just "last man".

I do go strongly with the 'He'd have better players at Chelsea, therefore create more', as great as Everton have been to date, their creativity/ attacking players aren't in the same league as Chelsea, same as ours unfortunately, for that reason alone I think he'd see a lot more opportunities his way, and again as a result, would probably get better quicker.

I'll be quite honest when I hope he decides to push to sign for the Toffee's permanently, player's want to be where they are wanted.
 
It was easier for us to accomodate Lukaku more than Chelsea too though, he's been 'fortunate' a little by our own Striking woes as much as his own ability. He was the clear starter for us due to Jelavic not scoring for ages and Kone starting poor and then becoming unfortunately injured. I doubt Chelsea could have envisaged Eto'o/Torres being so lacklustre in front of goal though, and whilst i think Lukaku could have been good for them in the PL, he possibly might have struggled in Europe.
 
SilentWitness said:
It was easier for us to accomodate Lukaku more than Chelsea too though, he's been 'fortunate' a little by our own Striking woes as much as his own ability. He was the clear starter for us due to Jelavic not scoring for ages and Kone starting poor and then becoming unfortunately injured. I doubt Chelsea could have envisaged Eto'o/Torres being so lacklustre in front of goal though, and whilst i think Lukaku could have been good for them in the PL, he possibly might have struggled in Europe.
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That bemuses me, 99% of football fans would have said that about Torres a few seasons back, nothing's changed, we just aren't expecting him to reach crazy heights. Eto'o was plying his trade in a non-competitive league essentially next to the PL, he was hardly a 'sure thing', in fact, at the beginning of the season; judging from only last season, Lukaku still looked the most accomplished currently and in best form.
 
Jaybezia said:
I agree regarding the proving himself, but that's to prove it's at the top level, I don't suppose he grew up in Belgium with his heart stuck on Chelsea, if another top team start showing REAL interest and appreciating him, I have no doubt he will probably want to leave.
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He did grow up supporting chelsea actually.

He was 3 when Zola joined them, 11 when his idol Drogba joined them. They've been around in the spotlight long enough for this shit to happen now.
 
SilentWitness said:
I doubt Chelsea could have envisaged Eto'o/Torres being so lacklustre in front of goal though.
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They should have. Doesn't exactly require immense amounts of hindsight to say that Torres would keep on playing like he's done for three years under five different managers (including the only manager that had him perform as a world class player previously) and that Eto'o is no longer the player he used to be.
 
B20 said:
He did grow up supporting chelsea actually.

He was 3 when Zola joined them, 11 when his idol Drogba joined them. They've been around in the spotlight long enough for this shit to happen now.
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Yep, theres a video on youtube of him as a 14 year old on a stadium tour of Stanford Bridge and he was talking about "one day playing there".
Like it or not but for kids who grew up in the 00s, Chelsea are seen as a pretty big club.
 
B20 said:
They should have. Doesn't exactly require immense amounts of hindsight to say that Torres would keep on playing like he's done for three years under five different managers (including the only manager that had him perform as a world class player previously) and that Eto'o is no longer the player he used to be.
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I'm not suggesting that they would have hit 20+ goals this season in the league but i don't believe it's unreasonable to think that they could have started better than they have.
 
duffer said:
Yep, theres a video on youtube of him as a 14 year old on a stadium tour of Stanford Bridge and he was talking about "one day playing there".
Like it or not but for kids who grew up in the 00s, Chelsea are seen as a pretty big club.
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I remember Gullit notching up his 'misplaced passes' statistics playing with the likes of Minto and Sinclair, because he was rolling passes into the path of a simple forward run and they didn't want to make that run forwards. You're still wannabe upstarts to me.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'm not suggesting that they would have hit 20+ goals this season in the league but i don't believe it's unreasonable to think that they could have started better than they have.
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'Hoped for' more like it.
 
He's certainly a young player who'll probably improve with age (hard to believe he's only 20) A goal every other game this season with Everton - not to mention his assists - Similar record last season with WBA, & a major factor in them finishing just one place below us.

Martinez will have his work cut out trying to replace him next season if Chelsea pull the plug.
 
B20 said:
He did grow up supporting chelsea actually.

He was 3 when Zola joined them, 11 when his idol Drogba joined them. They've been around in the spotlight long enough for this shit to happen now.
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It's never that I wouldn't imagine they aren't big enough, more that I doubted young Belgian lads grew up supporting Chelsea, I wouldn't imagine they are the most popular team there, but if the things you stated are true, then quite obviously he's an exception..
 
Becuase he is not even that good, well not yet anyway. People who think he is like Drogba are very misinformed because his hold up play is poor and he for someone of his size he doesn't use it at all. He is a good penalty box strikers though and he doesn't need many chances to score but his all round game is nowhere near good enough to be leading the line for a team chasing titles. He also quite a lazy player and can look disinterested at times. Having said that i would still love if Everton where to somehow get him because he is only 21 and his goal scoring record is very impressive for someone that age.
 
Should never have cut his hair. He's done a samson.
 
I think he gets overrated by the British public because they love a big, powerful #9 and he has the physique for it. He doesn't actually do much of the target man stuff well though. He's better running at defenders than taking the ball down and bringing others into play. He's neither good enough in his all-round play nor a clinical enough finisher to play at the very top level, for me, and at the same age he's at the same level as Welbeck (who managed to score in an international tournament).
 
Still needs a lot of work before he can really establish himself as a top-end forward at a competitive side. This isn't just a reaction to his performance against Russia, but also against Algeria and in certain matches for Everton. Extremely poor movement and doesn't seem to sense opportunities or make intelligent runs too often, despite racking up impressive figures in the last two seasons and his hold-up play - despite his stature - and in particular, first touch just isn't good enough to warrant a starting position at Chelsea.

You can understand Chelsea's willingness to cash in, especially for the fees quoted. You can give him the benefit of the doubt due to a recent injury for lacking sharpness and his movement will improve with good coaching and experience, but he is a bit lacking technically to really compete with the top tier of strikers. I could however, see him thriving in the right system at a top side - much like Costa does for Atletico - but when you assess him individually, he just isn't comparable to some young forwards, perhaps not even Origi in some aspects.

Hopefully Wilmots will opt for Origi ahead of him against South Korea in the next game.
 
Brwned said:
I think he gets overrated by the British public because they love a big, powerful #9 and he has the physique for it. He doesn't actually do much of the target man stuff well though. He's better running at defenders than taking the ball down and bringing others into play. He's neither good enough in his all-round play nor a clinical enough finisher to play at the very top level, for me, and at the same age he's at the same level as Welbeck (who managed to score in an international tournament).
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I would say that Welbeck was better all-round player at that age, and had much better EURO than Lukaku is having WC. And Welbeck was fed by the likes of Milner, Parker, and Ashley Young, and had much tougher opponents to play against.
 
He did look a bit lethargic but he has been excellent for Everton. I actually think his movement is excellent, he is just unlucky to be playing in a team with ball hogs like Defoleu (sp), Mirallas and Barkley who often render his runs null and void. The same thing applies when he plays for Belgium.
 
Brwned said:
I think he gets overrated by the British public because they love a big, powerful #9 and he has the physique for it. He doesn't actually do much of the target man stuff well though. He's better running at defenders than taking the ball down and bringing others into play. He's neither good enough in his all-round play nor a clinical enough finisher to play at the very top level, for me, and at the same age he's at the same level as Welbeck (who managed to score in an international tournament).
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This post won't look to smart in a few years time. His all round play is poor but he possesses the sort of goal threat that will keep him relevant as a top level striker for plenty of years. Welbeck isn't on lukaku's level right now let alone back then.
 
Apparently it takes a world cup and actually seeing him play for people to realise he is quite overrated.

He won't make it at chelsea.
 
B20 said:
Apparently it takes a world cup and actually seeing him play for people to realise he is quite overrated.

He won't make it at chelsea.
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So a few games is enough to call him bad, but a season of good, wasn't enough to call him good? The whole Belgium NT has been poor.
 
Brwned said:
I think he gets overrated by the British public because they love a big, powerful #9 and he has the physique for it. He doesn't actually do much of the target man stuff well though. He's better running at defenders than taking the ball down and bringing others into play. He's neither good enough in his all-round play nor a clinical enough finisher to play at the very top level, for me, and at the same age he's at the same level as Welbeck (who managed to score in an international tournament).
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Spot on mate, all his early season good work at our place was running on to stuff. As the season wore on he began to look half the player as the passing game settled in. The same issue is obvious at Belgium.

If he hasn't mastered control of the ball at 21 it's too late touch is sorted by the time your 13. I read someone compared him to Adebayor and I agree, he thinks he's the finished article and his arseyness when subbed showed attitude I always suspected. He mooched round Goodison with a gob when he wasn't scoring. I can see him moving every year for one cockeyed reason or another when ultimately it's money.Suarez leaving Liverpool would leave an opening, they're a long ball team.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
So a few games is enough to call him bad, but a season of good, wasn't enough to call him good? The whole Belgium NT has been poor.
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I've been saying he's overrated for over a year now.

His technical ability and decisionmaking is nowhere near up to to the required standard for a club like chelsea.

He might become a top player but that's at least 4-5 years in the future.

He's a highlights player right now.
 
B20 said:
I've been saying he's overrated for over a year now.

His technical ability and decisionmaking is nowhere near up to to the required standard for a club like chelsea.

He might become a top player but that's at least 4-5 years in the future.

He's a highlights player right now.
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Speak said:
He didn't say Lukaku was bad, he said he was overrated.
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Depends what the considered "rate" is I suppose, I regard him as a brilliant talent for his age who currently fits a team who sit 5th - 10th in EPL
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Depends what the considered "rate" is I suppose, I regard him as a brilliant talent for his age who currently fits a team who sit 5th - 10th in EPL
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Yeah, but thats just like, your opinion, man.

Seriously though, I agree with you. The problem is, most don't think like that, most think he's already world class or, if not, on the cusp. I think he's a good player, could be great, but is a long way from it yet.
 
Youngest players to score 100 Premier League goals

Michael Owen 23yrs 4months 12days
Robbie Fowler 23yrs 9months 7days
Wayne Rooney 24yrs 3months 7days
Alan Shearer 25yrs 4months 17days
Thierry Henry 26yrs 5months 23days

Lukaku is 21 and has 31 PL goals already. He's on course to get 100 PL goals at the age of around 24-26 if he continues at his rate, and i'd imagine it would improve over time. Top scorer in the Belgian league at the age of 17? 6th top scorer in the PL at the age of 19 playing for WBA. 6th joint top scorer last year at the age of 20 playing for Everton.

In 2012/2013 and in 2013/2014 he amassed a total of 42 goals and 12 assists for club and country. That's a bloody good return rate for someone of his age and is why he's touted as special despite his lack of quality in other areas of his game. He is an incredibly frustating player to watch when it isn't his day or when his touch isn't there, but it's not terrible overall, it's just inconsistent. He clearly has technique and he's shown it this season (The Arsenal goal, The Newcastle goal (Drag back to fool Collocini) etc). He scores from everywhere too - headers in the 6 yard box, tap ins, finishes into the corner inside the 12 yard box, he can hit it from range - incredibly good at finding the corner of the net.
 
I'd have Lukaku at United in heart beat.

With elite level coaching he will develop into something really special.
 
BigDunc9 said:
Becuase he is not even that good, well not yet anyway. People who think he is like Drogba are very misinformed because his hold up play is poor and he for someone of his size he doesn't use it at all. He is a good penalty box strikers though and he doesn't need many chances to score but his all round game is nowhere near good enough to be leading the line for a team chasing titles. He also quite a lazy player and can look disinterested at times. Having said that i would still love if Everton where to somehow get him because he is only 21 and his goal scoring record is very impressive for someone that age.
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indeed. Remember reading a stat where Lukaku doesnt actually win many aerial duels. He's a good player but his goals overshadow the frailties in his game to the English public and some PL fans.


Brwned said:
I think he gets overrated by the British public because they love a big, powerful #9 and he has the physique for it. He doesn't actually do much of the target man stuff well though. He's better running at defenders than taking the ball down and bringing others into play. He's neither good enough in his all-round play nor a clinical enough finisher to play at the very top level, for me, and at the same age he's at the same level as Welbeck (who managed to score in an international tournament).
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agree with this too. surprises me when others are unaware of the weaknesses in Lukaku's overall play just because he scores goals. fans will call mourinho an idiot for not showing more faith in Lukaku but there's more than enough reasons why he's not been trusted to lead the line for Chelsea. It also shows the jump from a good PL club to a top PL club is massive in terms of expectations and consistency
 
The irony is the have technically superior forwards at Chelsea already, they just don't score any goals.
 
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