On the basis of last season we're on the way up but Man Utd are on the way down.
Robin van Persie
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Pete's settled in for this evening's entertainment.
You can't be serious?
pete has hooked a couple.
You dropped a place in the league and got knocked out in the group stages of the CL (down). We rose a place in the league and went further in the CL (up).
He's reeling them in now...
For feck sake. Seriously I can't be arsed with this anymore apothesis. You go back and forth just changing your mind and you make no sense.
So you have just come full circle and are now saying what I said orginally, which you disagreed with. Brilliant.
You are counting Kagawa as a striker and saying there is zero difference in his role and the role Rooney plays, which is exactly what I have been saying for weeks. Hence we do not need a striker as we already have effectively four.
It's wierd you are saying this now when just before you said,
You struggle to see how three players is enough for one spot? That is plenty depth. You also kept referring to it wrongly as the lone striker role, when as I explained a 4-2-3-1 isn't like that,
But now you are saying it isn't the lone striker role and Kagawa is not a midfielder but a second striker
. I mean for feck sake, you are now admitting that he will play the exact same role as Rooney. Just a complete turn around. Or do you think that last year when Rooney was behind Welbeck we were playing a lone striker formation.. 
It's pathetic how you are changing my arguments around when you know perfectly well what I think on this issue as we've discussed it lots. I have always counted Kagawa as a forward, it is you who haven't. You just said that it was a lone striker role.... I mean how can you be so oblivious to what you are saying? I was calling him an attacking midfielder to try and illustrate to you the difference between a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-5-1 which you were failing to understand.
You said that 'Hernandez and Rooney looked poor' playing as lone strikers last season, as if that meant something to how we would play with Kagawa, when in fact the formation is completely different. Like I said it is like Chelsea under AVB and Chelsea under Di Matteo.
No need for the pathetic 'now you are back on track, it is exactly the same'. I mean no shit, it's exactly what I've been saying to you.
I dunno what your postion is anymore because you are changing your opinions all the time. You want to get RVP because you think he will be better than Rooney playing as the striker? Well like a lot of people Rooney didn't look that creative playing as the No 10, so I think Kagawa will offer more in that role, his passing and clever through balls will offer us something different in attack, whereas last season too often we just played it wide.
Sticking Kagawa on the right wing makes no sense as he's never played there. But even if you put him on the left it still isn't his best position, so why do it? He is fantastic in the middle and will rack up assists for our forwards, why move him wide?
You also just seem completely oblivious to the effect this would have on Welbeck and Hernandez. Given how good Welbeck was last season it's a shame that he will most likely get less games this season, as Kagawa behind Rooney looks to be our first choice pair. If RvP comes then he is relegated to fourth choice, so his development will be severely impacted.
Again, this is just unnecessary. We don't need him, Kagawa behind Rooney is fine as first choice, personally I wouldn't swap it for any forward pairing in the league. If we got him, we would either have to drop one of Kagawa/Rooney/Van Persie, or else stick Kagawa on the left where he will be wasted. In addition, it damages our younger strikers coming through, all for a very marginal gain.
MEN sports understands.....
Usually i trust Bob Cass more than MEN sports.... shall I stop there?
There was only one person I would believe when it came to sources close to Man Utd, and that went in a puff of smoke on Monday. Can see City (or even PSG from now on) coming in late for him.
Rooney RVP Kagawa and Nani would be one hell of a front line, and then you would have rotation with Welbeck and Valencia rather than Hernandez and Young. Big step up in quality there.
if the caf was around in 1981, what would lads be typing about frank stapleton doing the same move?
Agreed. I'd love him here. Welbeck isnt ready yet to be starter and would get enough games nevertheless I'm sure. And training with strikers like RVP would do his development good, I'm sure.
The next transfer-saga capitulation will occur here sometime soon
If I m not wrong he replaced Joe Jordan who had just moved to Milan. At the time he was considered one of the most "complete" strikers around. Pity that he never managed to score than 12 - 14 goals a season.
If it happens it will still be the most surprising transfer I can think of for us. If you had told me a year ago I would have laughed. Just like I did with Nasri. I never thought that was realistic.
But now we are in a situation that Arse selling to us or to City is no difference really. We are both in their heads title rivals and our bitterness with Arse has waned somewhat.
But now we are in a situation that Arse selling to us or to City is no difference really. We are both in their heads title rivals and our bitterness with Arse has waned somewhat.
Todays MEN..."That leaves the Reds at the front of the queue – and M.E.N. Sport understands van Persie could jet in to sign as early as tonight."
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...-united-ready-to-secure-robin-van-persie-deal
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...-united-ready-to-secure-robin-van-persie-deal
I think arsenal would much rather sell to city but i think RvP genuinely does not want to go there.
Yeah. Wenger is a man of principles, and I'm sure he would much rather sell to a plastic team like City than to someone who he battled with forever and considers them their true rivals.
Already posted, on the same page as well.
whatcha think gambs? Is this RVP lad worth the punt?
Again, this is just unnecessary. We don't need him, Kagawa behind Rooney is fine as first choice, personally I wouldn't swap it for any forward pairing in the league. If we got him, we would either have to drop one of Kagawa/Rooney/Van Persie, or else stick Kagawa on the left where he will be wasted. In addition, it damages our younger strikers coming through, all for a very marginal gain.
Theon tbh i really don't know what you are trying to explain. You keep on going on about Chelsea, while forgeting they had a CF up front that all the others played off. Whether it was Drogba or Torres they still had that focal point.
So my point is simple. The central striker role. Don't give a feck about who plays behind them or in what system.
A 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1. It doesn't matter, what matters if we don't get RVP then Welbeck is the only effective alternative for the central striker. Rooney was crap in his few outings there last season. So i don't want him there personally, you may think it's great to have Kagawa behind Rooney, but for me it won't work.
I think we need someone better than Rooney at holding the ball up, and obviously so does SAF or he wouldn't be looking at RVP in the first place. You may think it is unnecessary and that's fine, but there are others who believe otherwise. Let's leave it at that.
I look at Cofie, Keane and king and have massive hopes for them in future but when you talk about RVP, it's more then a signing. It lifts the other players because it shows ambition, and it'd be bringing in a quality player so from a psychological point of view, it'd be an awesome signing. It will get the other players at it. You can't overlook that.
Also Welbeck and Hernandez will hopefully improve as a result.
Also Welbeck and Hernandez will hopefully improve as a result.
yep he's certainly worth it, will be interesting to see if this does get sorted out nice and quickly
I find it odd that people can't seem to acknowledge the fact that we will never just play one starting XI for all games. Changes will occur from game to game, and the side that starts against Man City will probably be different to the one that starts against Chelsea.
If (and still a big if in my book) RVP came to town, it wouldn't be a question of having to play Kagawa out wide... I imagine in fact he will play in a variety of places, as we all know SAF likes to use a players versatility to it's maximum (even if such versatility isn't actually there). Everyone will get plenty of games, Fergie will make sure of that.
Once again, I will say that I don't think we are in the position where we can honestly say we don't need one of, if not the best, strikers in the league...
If (and still a big if in my book) RVP came to town, it wouldn't be a question of having to play Kagawa out wide... I imagine in fact he will play in a variety of places, as we all know SAF likes to use a players versatility to it's maximum (even if such versatility isn't actually there). Everyone will get plenty of games, Fergie will make sure of that.
Once again, I will say that I don't think we are in the position where we can honestly say we don't need one of, if not the best, strikers in the league...
Can't see this deal happening tbh, I would love to be proved wrong though.
Worrying that even City don't think he is worth buying, unless RVP has said it's only a big club?
Spot on mate.
city want him, they need to shift strikers first though
If we really are in for him we better wrap the transfer up as fast as possible. The longer this takes the more I think the cash cows will have a look at him.
My arse, Mancini wants that fellow its as simple as that but he's not going to start blabbing his mouth just yet unless he has the space to accommodate him first.
is it? Not everyone wants to play for a medium sized club with money. Berbatov didn't.
The thought of us signing Van Persie by midnight absolutely blows my mind.
What a stupid comment. Why is it worrying, you have had the opportunity to see him over the past year or two and he has been possibly the best striker in world football. What is there to be worried about by City not bidding? They can't buy everyone you know
I'm not even sure I want him, he's a 29 year old striker who's had injury trouble in all but last season (I think?). We've also got Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck and Berbatov at his moment in time, as well as Kagawa who I consider a forward as he's likely to take a place of the aforementioned.
However, it might just be worth the £20m fee and the £200k wages just to piss Pete off.
However, it might just be worth the £20m fee and the £200k wages just to piss Pete off.
RVP is considerably better than all our current strikers bar Rooney
Yeah I am still not excited about this one. Kagawa looks like a very exciting player and Welbeck just keeps getting better and better, yet they'd both probably have to sit on the bench in most of the important matches if we were to buy van Persie, as I can't see us benching him as a new star, nor Rooney.
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