Indeed, and they all offer something different too.
Robin van Persie
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Indeed, and they all offer something different too.
The only one that consistently plays and doesn't have any attitude is Aguero.
Balotelli is a problem child, Tevez is as thick as two short planks, and Dzeko doesn't start enough matches.
easy when you are the best at the club and IMO best striker on the planet discounting messi and ronnie.
He's a very rich plank.
A rich plank that wouldn't think twice about pissing off 6 months of the season and putting his team's chances in jeopardy.
and not bad at football either
Adding Robin and flogging off Dzeko won't make any difference to happiness level.
One of them will feel left out eventually.
One of them will feel left out eventually.
Don't forget they've still yet to get rid of santa cruz and adebayor on top of that mess. Especially adebayor because he is on a fair bit of dosh if i remember correctly. Even spurs, as desperate as they are for a striker, can't/won't match his wages.
Dunno about that. There are four spots in that team for the strikers and attacking midfielders, so there is ample opportunity to start games.
If RVP replaced Dzeko then RVP upfront, with Silva, Aguero and Tevez behind looks fine. That just leaves Balotelli and Nasri on the bench but two subs for four postions is completely normal, it isn't excessive in the slightest.
Balotelli could come in instead of Van Persie up top, or he could drop deeper instead of Tevez etc. More than enough games for them all.
Compare it to United for example where some people want us to sign Van Persie. As we play with wingers then there's only two spots for our forwards, yet that would leave us with Rooney, Kagawa, Van Persie, Hernandez and Welbeck.
So that is 5 players going into 2 postions, compared with City's 6 into 4. Yet people think City are the ones who don't need him?
Obviously Kagawa could maybe play on the left which would make it 4 into 2, but that's not why he was signed or his best postion, so it seems counter productive to stick him there.
RvP with Silva, Aguero and Tevez behind is unnecessary and I can't see Mancini starting with 3 forwards and Silva. It would leave them vulnerable in midfield.
They always play with three behind the striker and Balotelli, Aguero, Tevez have all done it. Balotelli is the one probably least suited but he played in the three against Sunderland and Stoke with Dzeko up top and against us at home he was deeper than Aguero.
I think Nasri behind might be more balanced and with Silva and Aguero they ended the season as the three behind Tevez, but if Van Persie came Tevez could displace Nasri, especially if he starts the season the way he started the last.
They also aren't playing as 'forwards' in the sense of a striker. Look at Aguero against Norwich away for example when Tevez scored his hatrick, he was playing a clear attacking midfield role. So it isn't as if he plays three strikers, he plays one, then uses his other strikers in a withdrawn role.
I think Nasri behind might be more balanced and with Silva and Aguero they ended the season as the three behind Tevez, but if Van Persie came Tevez could displace Nasri, especially if he starts the season the way he started the last.
They also aren't playing as 'forwards' in the sense of a striker. Look at Aguero against Norwich away for example when Tevez scored his hatrick, he was playing a clear attacking midfield role. So it isn't as if he plays three strikers, he plays one, then uses his other strikers in a withdrawn role.
From what I've read City have played 3-5-2 in pre-season
Mancini says they will not get him, therefore I believe they will sign him.
Because they can
Because they can
Mancini's playing those minnnnnnnnnnnd gaaaaaaames forever.
I love it when you serenade me with beautiful music, brophs
If RVP will read what Mancini just said, I'm sure, he won't join them.
Cash is the answerrrrrrrrrrrr.
Don't Believe the greasy italian liar.
Greasy?
Greecey
United bound I reckon... 
I'm hoping he will pull a Rooney and make a U-turn when he realizes that the grass isn't greener in other pastures. I don't want him with us and wouldn't like to see City prise away another good player from Arsenal.
more the case that the greener pastures of in spain are not interested the RvP cow grazing in them.
If the blanco ranch of madrid and the blaugrana ranch of catalonia wanted said cow, it would walk all the way there IMO.
you would think that he would have suitor(s) lined up before he blindsided Wenger. Of all of the teams mentioned the only team that needs him is Juve, who probably cannot pay the wage he is wanting.
Silly cow.
Could that be because he is the one that consistently plays? Wonder if a significant spell on the sidelines like Dzeko has had to endure, would affect his positive outlook?
Podolski, Giroud, Cazorla.
Robin, what was that direction you were talking about?
Robin, what was that direction you were talking about?
Downwards.
What makes you so sure of why he was signed? His best position is behind the striker which is currently Rooney's position, so it's a fair bet he will play on the left or the right.
None of which would affect where RVP plays. He can play upfront on his own with others supporting or he can play on the left. Kagawa isn't a striker either, he will only ever play a support role. So in effect i struggle to see how Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez is sufficient on it's own. It looks good on paper, but i can't really see Hernandez as anything other than a late goal option in the majority of games, so the only actual partnership we have is Rooney/Welbeck.
I think its not unrelated that Aguero, with less of an attitude was also less of a mercenary for joining City. The players who joined from superior clubs, back when City didn't have Champions League football were just wankers who wanted to be ridiculously paid (accepting the negative affects that a club willing to discard players instantly will have on their career long term).
Whereas to credit his slight credit, Sergio Aguero moved from Atletico Madrid to a club playing in the Champions League. You could class it as a more football based decision, he's of the quality where he has to be playing the highest level.
That's bull. He'd probably hire a mooving company,
I suspect this will, like Nasri last year, go to the wire.
Wenger is reluctant to sell to Utd so if that's to happen, he will hold out for the asking price.
I assume Utd will meet RVPs wage demands?
In the meantime, after the high profile signings this summer, I expect Wenger will make one last attempt to persuade RVP to stay
My guess on balance is he will sign for Utd on 31 August and Arsenal will get £22m though I'd only rate that as a 1/2 chance
Wenger is reluctant to sell to Utd so if that's to happen, he will hold out for the asking price.
I assume Utd will meet RVPs wage demands?
In the meantime, after the high profile signings this summer, I expect Wenger will make one last attempt to persuade RVP to stay
My guess on balance is he will sign for Utd on 31 August and Arsenal will get £22m though I'd only rate that as a 1/2 chance
Probably the direction going from being league winners, CL finalists to becoming also-rans.
This has been explained so many times by different posters apothesis, it's really not complicated.
I know Kagawa isn't a striker, but if he plays in attacking midfield like he did for Dortmund then we will only play one striker ahead of him - Kagawa behind Lewandowski was their central front two for virtually the entire season, Lewandowski didn't miss a game.
So you are 'struggling to see how Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck are sufficient' for one place in the team. You're wierdly acting like that's a shortage and we're deficient with strikers. Three is more than enough for one place in the team, with Rooney starting ahead of Kagawa that leaves Welbeck and Hernandez on the bench. Like most people I think this will be amazing and Kagawa could be our player of the season, Rooney will absolutely thrive off his creativity and through-balls.
If Kagawa is rested or if he plays on the left, then we could revert back to Rooney taking up the deeper position, with one of Welbeck or Hernandez playing as striker, so basically our partnerships from last year. You'd assume how often this happens will be determined on the players performances, if Rooney and Kagawa strike up an understanding, maybe with Nani as well for example, then one striker could be our set up for the majority of the season. If Young is in poor form so Kagawa goes left for example, or Kagawa is rested, or the Rooney and Welbeck partnership is performing well, then we can go with two strikers.
The point is that we have more than enough options, it isn't even close to being an issue.
I am struggling only because you talk as if all of those 3 strikers are capable of effectively playing the lone striker role. Hernandez certainly isn't and Rooney in his last few outings there, has been far from effective. That leaves only Welbeck, who has the size and the pace to play up front in that system effectively.
That's my take on it, whether anyone else agrees with that or not is up to them, but SAF must agree to some extent, or imo he wouldn't be looking at RVP in the first place.
What is up in the air in my view is why Rooney would be moved out of his favoured position and imo his best position to accommodate Kagawa. For me he will play wide and cut in, and Rooney will still play deep. That won't change even if we get RVP, the only difference is it will be far more effective with RVP up front than Welbeck or Rooney imo.
I can't see Kagawa being moved from a central position, the lad is just too good for that.
I wouldn't worry about jockeying for positions if RvP signs , he'll be in't treatment room by October...........
Noo.
Again you are just getting it wrong. When we played the lone striker role last season or before it wasn't with a player like Kagawa. It was effectively a 4-5-1 with three centre mids, whereas Kagawa plays as an attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1. How can you not see the difference?
It's comparable to how Chelsea lined up under Di Matteo, with Mata playing off the striker in a 4-2-3-1. Compare that to under AVB where he played three central midfielders. So,
-----Mikel----
Lampard--Ramires--
became,
---Ramires--Lampard
Winger--Mata--Winger
There is a clear difference there. So we are doing the same thing with Kagawa, he plays a similar role to Mata, or Silva. So it is nothing at all like last season where when we used a striker ahead of three centre midfielders. The positions and formation are completely different.
Actually, Kagawa playing with one striker is more comparable to our two striker system with Rooney. When Rooney drops deep he occupies the same area as Kagwa, so Rooney behind Welbeck is virtually a 4-2-3-1.
------Welbeck-----
Nani--Rooney--Valencia
That just becomes,
------Rooney-----
Nani--Kagawa--Valencia
So there is no difference. It isn't the 'lone striker role' that you are confusing it as. Hernandez could easily play ahead of Kagawa, no idea why you think he couldn't. You seem to be getting confused because you are labelling players as 'attackers' or 'midfielders' when in reality it's far more subtle than that.
Easy because Kagawa is not an attacking midfielder. He is a wide forward, or a second striker a No 10 if you prefer. So your premise that he will be a midfielder is wrong, no more so than Rooney is a midfielder in the same system.
Now your back on track Theon. It is not comparable, it is exactly the same scenario as with Rooney in that role.
That is what i am saying to you theon. Rooney in that role in your second example will not work as well as with RVP there, that is why we are going for him.
What you seem to be overlooking is that when we have possession everything is rosy, when we do not, one man will be left up front as the out ball or the focal point of the attack, it doesn't matter which system you pick that will still be the case. So in your second example that will be Rooney, which for me won't work.
I am suggesting that we after RVP because he is far better at it then anyone we have.
This is my suggestion:
Back 5
-----------Carrick----Scholes---------
--Kagawa--------Rooney---------Nani
-------------------RVP---------------
You will note that when we do not have the ball, that 3 behind RVP will drop deep to make up the numbers in midfield. Leaving whoever is the focal point up front, with the responsibility of holding the ball and bringing the others into play.
It doesn't matter which system you pick that will still be the case. I agree with most of what you are saying, but not with the role of the central striker. RVP is being sought because he is one of the best about for that role.
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