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Yeah, tbh I really think Rooney as the main guy with Kagawa behind flanked by Nani and Valencia would work very well especially with the way clev has been playing. I like RVP and depending on the price you can't say no to a world class player but at the same time I think balance can be more important. Both RVP and Rooney have been deeper strikers but both for me are much better off as the main striker, I know people will say Rooney played deeper last season but I don't think he really played that deep, certainly not as deep as attacking midfielders/playing in the hole and I think to play our way with two wide players then you need that link in the middle. Both in terms of our attack and our possession keeping ability I think it would help a lot.
 
Theon said:
You're just a giant muppet with transfers apothesis, in the Lucas thread you reckon we will get him as well and look to be more Barca like.

So what, does he displace Kagawa? So we have Valencia, Hernandez, Kagawa, Young and Welbeck on the bench?
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I have never said we will or even should get lucas, but i have speculated why we are after that type of player. To me it all points to a change of system and a different way of playing.

Who knows, but surely you can't deny the type of players we are buying don't fit with the usual 4-4-2 system of last year. RVP is one of the best up front on his own, i can see the system i propose working better with him up front and Rooney operating behind him.

I would agree we seem to have a lot of players now, but don't forget it is SAF signing new ones, not me! I am only offering my view on why i think he is after the type of players he is clearly after, and what he may intend to do with them. what that means for certain other players we already have i have no idea tbh. some of them may fit in with the new style, some of them may not, we will see.

I may be completely wrong, but it is hard to fathom why else he feels versatile wide forward types are more of a priority than a CM, unless he feels more bodies regularly operating in those areas reduces the need for a CM at this time. Just looks to me like he is after a certain type of player to enable him to employ a new system of play.
 
Can't say I've seen much of Lucas but from the thread the general consensus is that he's a one footed right winger. Don't see how that signals a change of tactics, just seems to be another winger who Fergie loves and we utilise more than most top teams.

If he wanted to go Barca style with the players we have than he could. Carrick, clev, kagawa in the middle, Nani, Rooney and Welbeck up top. Signing RVP and Lucas to me doesn't indicate a change of formation imo, these two could easily slot in to our current system. In fact going to a 433 with Rooney and RVP would inhibit one of them imo.

I think this is more of Fergie being an admirer of RVP and wanting him if he can get him at a good price and also be fond of wingers and spotting talent in Lucas.
 
Who really gives a feck how much sense a move for Van Persie makes? I just want this to happen so I can crow it over City and Arsenal fans! :drool:
 
Ash_G said:
Can't say I've seen much of Lucas but from the thread the general consensus is that he's a one footed right winger. Don't see how that signals a change of tactics, just seems to be another winger who Fergie loves and we utilise more than most top teams.

If he wanted to go Barca style with the players we have than he could. Carrick, clev, kagawa in the middle, Nani, Rooney and Welbeck up top. Signing RVP and Lucas to me doesn't indicate a change of formation imo, these two could easily slot in to our current system. In fact going to a 433 with Rooney and RVP would inhibit one of them imo.

I think this is more of Fergie being an admirer of RVP and wanting him if he can get him at a good price and also be fond of wingers and spotting talent in Lucas.
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We shall see Ash. As i said i am only speculating, but if we are sticking to the same, then by any reasonable logic it is the central midfield that needs strengthening, not the wings. We already have some of the best wide men about, so why the need for more? That would be an indication that those we have are not deemed good enough which surely can't be the case.

the common denominator with all Fergie's recent wide men targets is their ability to cut in from wide areas, they can all score goals and create from central areas. that must indicate that we are going to play far more through central areas than we played last season, where the job of the central 2 was simply to service the wingers.

We saw some evidence of this with our start to the season where Nani and Young played more as wide forwards and scored and created loads of goals in the first few games. Injuries robbed us of continuing that and we ended up with our usual 4-4-2.

So that's my thinking now, and in my mind it somewhat explains why Fergie hasn't been looking at CM's, because he is going to keep Carrick and Scholes deep and allow the others in front to drop deep, pull out wide, interchange positions as they choose in front of them.

RVP i believe is going to be our man up front in big games. Rooney's not the biggest, and RVP is far better at holding up the ball and scoring goals with less service. He will provide the out ball we didn't have last season.
 
wr8_utd said:
Not that it means anything but ...

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Man United have now been backing into odds-on favs to sign Robin van Persie with Man City out to 7/2
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We have been odds on for most of the past few weeks on that site.
 
apotheosis said:
We shall see Ash. As i said i am only speculating, but if we are sticking to the same, then by any reasonable logic it is the central midfield that needs strengthening, not the wings. We already have some of the best wide men about, so why the need for more? That would be an indication that those we have are not deemed good enough which surely can't be the case.

the common denominator with all Fergie's recent wide men targets is their ability to cut in from wide areas, they can all score goals and create from central areas. that must indicate that we are going to play far more through central areas than we played last season, where the job of the central 2 was simply to service the wingers.

We saw some evidence of this with our start to the season where Nani and Young played more as wide forwards and scored and created loads of goals in the first few games. Injuries robbed us of continuing that and we ended up with our usual 4-4-2.

So that's my thinking now, and in my mind it somewhat explains why Fergie hasn't been looking at CM's, because he is going to keep Carrick and Scholes deep and allow the others in front to drop deep, pull out wide, interchange positions as they choose in front of them.

RVP i believe is going to be our man up front in big games. Rooney's not the biggest, and RVP is far better at holding up the ball and scoring goals with less service. He will provide the out ball we didn't have last season.
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But then he's clearly a big fan of Valencia who is the complete opposite off the type of player you've been talking about. Giving him the number 7 shirt as well indicates to me anyway that he has a big part to play in the team. Then in Nani you have a player who has shown he's top class as a winger who can stay wide and cut in. Also Hazard, Sneijder, Nasri have all let it known that they want to play in more central area's rather than wide areas. I think had we signed one of them we wouldn't have been interested in the others and would have looked to play them centrally.

Like I said I think it's more about trying to bring in players in positions of which he's always been keen on, strikers and wingers and spotting an opportunity in RVP to bring in a star and in Lucas to make another.

Also I'm not sure what changing the type of wingers we have changes the role of the midfield. Either way they're going to need to be servicing the wide players, whether they stay as wide players or whether they cut in. Has more of an impact on the full backs who will need to provide width in the latter situation.

Personally I don't think he's suddenly changed his philosophy. He's always been a fan of having wide players, who play wide. That's not to say he doesn't like players like Nani who can cut in, but he clearly likes stretching the pitch. Even last season he had plenty of opportunities to change the way we play. There were a lot of times where he could have had Rooney playing deeper as you've suggested , scholes and carrick behind, Nani and Young on either side and Welbeck ahead. That front 4 let alone 3 had the ability to swap and interchange but we rarely saw it. We saw the players but not a change in tactics. As I've said before even Rooney wasn't as deep as he was when he played in the hole in his first few seasons.

I don't disagree that he's probably hoping for a more fluid line up but I don't see how RVP and Lucas enable that. As I've said the players we have right now can give you that if Fergie wants them too.

On a side note, personally I think Kagawa in a central role would let you have that fluid interplay between the 3 behind the striker better than Rooney who hasn't looked great in a deeper central role from a creative point of few recently nor really shown the movement and comfort out wide to do damage there.
 
Jacob said:
I'm finding it extremely difficult to see how he'd fit in at United.

For £20M, I say no. Rather spend those towards repaying that debt or find some young midfield gem.
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:)

You do realize that the effect of that would be to make the Glazers £20M richer, and the football club a talented young player poorer?
 
Andrew~ said:
Who really gives a feck how much sense a move for Van Persie makes? I just want this to happen so I can crow it over City and Arsenal fans! :drool:
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Ha...yes. I feel a bit like that too.

However the move make sense to me. RVP, Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck. Loads of options like we did in 99.
 
And then there were two. You'd think we'd be more attractive an option than Juve for RvP. Still see him ending up at City though despite what Mancini says.
 
Antisocial said:
The City boss said: 'Van Persie? No, I don't think he will come here.'

More of those famous Mancini mind-games :wenger:

I like that the tabloid hacks have jumped on Sir Alex not being in Norway as being transfer-related :lol:
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Not really. When Fergie can out and said Narsi wasn't coming hear last year..it was as true as day, maybe Mancini knows the same.
 
Mancini talks shite too often, like saying we were still favourites for the title when it had clearly gone etc. I won't rule them out till Van Persie signs someone's contract.
 
RonaldoVII said:
Mancini talks shite too often, like saying we were still favourites for the title when it had clearly gone etc. I won't rule them out till Van Persie signs someone's contract.
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Van Persie's already got a contract.
 
Mancini seems to have given up on getting R.V.P so it's either Juve or he stays.
 
I think selling RVP to Utd or City would be a huge mistake strengthening rival teams at a cost to us

Force him to honour his contract even if it means losing out on £15/20m

He may decide then to take what's on offer than run the risk of less interest in him 12 months down the line when he's 30
 
Gillespie said:
I think selling RVP to Utd or City would be a huge mistake strengthening rival teams at a cost to us

Force him to honour his contract even if it means losing out on £15/20m

He may decide then to take what's on offer than run the risk of less interest in him 12 months down the line when he's 30
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Interesting situation for Arsenal to be in to be honest. If you factor in what he earns it could leave the club £25 million worse off - that said, a poor season or an injury and he's no longer such hot property come the sumer.
 
Gillespie said:
I think selling RVP to Utd or City would be a huge mistake strengthening rival teams at a cost to us

Force him to honour his contract even if it means losing out on £15/20m

He may decide then to take what's on offer than run the risk of less interest in him 12 months down the line when he's 30
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:lol:
 
Gillespie said:
I think selling RVP to Utd or City would be a huge mistake strengthening rival teams at a cost to us

Force him to honour his contract even if it means losing out on £15/20m

He may decide then to take what's on offer than run the risk of less interest in him 12 months down the line when he's 30
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Wegner however could unearth another gem or two with that money, besides not good for a player who carried them for 80% of last season. sends out bad messages to all other players.

arsenal will cash in like they always do, but i just dont think to us. City still favorites for me despite Mancini shite talking.
 
Bloxy said:
Wegner however could unearth another gem or two with that money, besides not good for a player who carried them for 80% of last season. sends out bad messages to all other players.

arsenal will cash in like they always do, but i just dont think to us. City still favorites for me despite Mancini shite talking.
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city will only be favourites if they can shift one or two of dzeko, tevez, and adebayor. they still hve santa cruz on their books ffs.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
city will only be favourites if they can shift one or two of dzeko, tevez, and adebayor. they still hve santa cruz on their books ffs.
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And Adebayor to Spurs seems to have rather stalled - fun watching City's ridiculous wages biting them in the ass as players refuse to leave and take a wage cut.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
city will only be favourites if they can shift one or two of dzeko, tevez, and adebayor. they still hve santa cruz on their books ffs.
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SecondFig said:
And Adebayor to Spurs seems to have rather stalled - fun watching City's ridiculous wages biting them in the ass as players refuse to leave and take a wage cut.
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Has Wayne Bridge left?
 
SecondFig said:
And Adebayor to Spurs seems to have rather stalled - fun watching City's ridiculous wages biting them in the ass as players refuse to leave and take a wage cut.
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Money talks but Dzeko is surely ready to go. you cant be that prolific and still be happy on the bench, but RVp signing will cause more disharmony because you just cant rotate him.
 
Bloxy said:
Money talks but Dzeko is surely ready to go. you cant be that prolific and still be happy on the bench, but RVp signing will cause more disharmony because you just cant rotate him.
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not sure why bayern didn't spend the money on him after the disaster gomez was in europe. i watch bayern maybe 15 times a season and I've never like gomez regardless of the goals he piles up. Just don't rate him.
 
Bloxy said:
Money talks but Dzeko is surely ready to go. you cant be that prolific and still be happy on the bench, but RVp signing will cause more disharmony because you just cant rotate him.
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But wages are still a huge problem. Unless city do the old trick of subsidizing wages they will find it impossible to get rid.
 
Personally, if i were a manager with Aguero, Balotelli, Tevez & Dzeko in my books, i wouldn't look for anymore additions in that department.
 
Trionz said:
Personally, if i were a manager with Aguero, Balotelli, Tevez & Dzeko in my books, i wouldn't look for anymore additions in that department.
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not if you never know when tevez will act a cnut and dzeko having itchy feet.

sure if those two were perfectly happy and worked hard within the squad, then i agree with you
 
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