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peterstorey said:
RvP U-turn! Robin van Persie now wants to STAY at Arsenal as Gunners eye £7m move for Ajax star

Van Persie’s complaints about Arsenal failing to buy at the top end of the transfer market have been silenced as Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla have been brought in...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-skipper-robin-van-persie-1218984
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It would be sad to see Arsenal being blackmailed by one of their players :( :smirk:

I did expect him to stay until he released that statement, which seemed very ill-advised at the time, and certainly if he does stay. Perhaps he would try to spin it as being his way of encouraging the club to invest in the squad, but would the fans buy/forgive that?
 
KingEric7 said:
You make it sound like it'd be a complete disaster. In that defence, you've got two of the best centre backs of the last decade, and someone who looks like he'll follow in their footsteps. The attacking prowess also is scary, and Carrick and Scholes is definitely strong enough in the centre.

It hinges on whether or not you think Valencia is capable of providing a balanced ratio of attacking/defending down that right side. I think he can and, even if we may at times lack a bit of width on that side at certain points in games, the strength of that line up going forward is just shocking.
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Why question Valencia when the clear weakness would be Nani's side?

In any case, although these formations sometimes look like they'd be very strong going forward, for years a lot of our attacking play has relied on fullbacks.

Our fullbacks are so advanced that it's often like we're playing 2 at the back. Of course this reverts to 4 when we're under the cosh or need to play deeper but we're very much about forward-thinking fullbacks.
 
I think in the big games we would play 4-2-3-1

de Gea
Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Evra
Carrick, Cleverley,
Valencia, Rooney, Kagawa
Van Persie

Possibly Scholes instead of Cleverley depending on his legs. Nani instead of Valencia or Kagawa, Smalling/ Jones for Rafael and Ferdinand/Evans is 50/50 this season to be first choice with Vidic.
 
Havak said:
I don't even want us to sign him. He had one good season and he'll just get injured knowing our luck. He'll go to City or Juve, or play for Arsenal and be almost a shadow of what he was last season. I'd rather us sign a midfielder and left back, and flog Berbatov if we can in January instead.
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Kraftwerker said:
Why question Valencia when the clear weakness would be Nani's side?

In any case, although these formations sometimes look like they'd be very strong going forward, for years a lot of our attacking play has relied on fullbacks.

Our fullbacks are so advanced that it's often like we're playing 2 at the back. Of course this reverts to 4 when we're under the cosh or need to play deeper but we're very much about forward-thinking fullbacks.
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I see what you mean. I think the idea was that Valencia would be playing almost as a full back, pushing whoever is playing furthest left in defence out to help Nani, effectively forming a full defence. Perhaps this is expecting too much of Valencia and whoever it is that plays furthest left.
 
KingEric7 said:
I've started getting excited about this potential signing again for some reason. IF we are to sign him, can anyone see us playing something like this?


------------------------De Gea-------------------------
----------Smalling---Vidic------Ferdinand--------
Valencia-------Carrick------Scholes------Nani-----
------------------Rooney---Kagawa------------------------
-----------------------Van Persie------------------------


Maybe we don't actually have a left back situation, and Fergie's going to set us up with 3 at the back...:) I don't know why that formation wouldn't work so long as Valencia maintained a decent level of defensive responsibility. That is a fecking amazing team, in my opinion.
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What the feck is this shite?
 
Drainy said:
I think in the big games we would play 4-2-3-1

de Gea
Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Evra
Carrick, Cleverley,
Valencia, Rooney, Kagawa
Van Persie

Possibly Scholes instead of Cleverley depending on his legs. Nani instead of Valencia or Kagawa, Smalling/ Jones for Rafael and Ferdinand/Evans is 50/50 this season to be first choice with Vidic.
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Ayeee, that is really only what it could be, so it means sacrificing Kagawa playing his best position, which is seems an unnecessary detriment. Pretty firmly confines Welbeck and Chich to the bench as well, when both of them could have big seasons if given the opportunity.
 
Alright calm down it's just a fecking suggestion. :lol:

I just can't see the sense in signing Van Persie and playing Kagawa out of position, but am quite excited about the prospect of seeing the former in our team. I'm more inclined to think it's a better idea to sacrifice Rooney and not Kagawa in the wide role. It sounds bizarre given Kagawa's played just a couple of pre-season games for us, but he provides something through the middle that Rooney only does when he's right at the top of his game.
 
KingEric7 said:
Alright calm down it's just a fecking suggestion. :lol:

I just can't see the sense in signing Van Persie and playing Kagawa out of position, but am quite excited about the prospect of seeing the former in our team. I'm more inclined to think it's a better idea to sacrifice Rooney and not Kagawa in the wide role. It sounds bizarre given Kagawa's played just a couple of pre-season games for us, but he provides something through the middle that Rooney only does when he's right at the top of his game.
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Bingo.

Look at your post, why the need to 'sacrifice' anyone. I mean sacrificing Rooney for feck sake, how could that ever be a good idea. It's completely unnecessary.

Kagawa behind Rooney will work brilliantly, there's no need to improve it. Like you said Kagawa gives us great creativity through the middle, he would be the perfect provider for Wayne up top, with Welbeck more than capable to fill in.

Someone else mentioned Kagawa and Chich being a brilliant combination and they have a point, those clever through balls that Kagawa plays are tailor made for Hernandez.
 
Kagawa is best behind the striker, but can also play left of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1.
He'll naturally drift inside or go outside depending on what we need because he's and intelligent player.

Rooney may not be a 100% guaranteed starter for every big game next season if he doesn't raise his all-round game, but don't write him off just yet..
 
Drainy said:
Kagawa is best behind the striker, but can also play left of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1.
He'll naturally drift inside or go outside depending on what we need because he's and intelligent player.

Rooney may not be a 100% guaranteed starter for every big game next season if he doesn't raise his all-round game, but don't write him off just yet..
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Yeahh I know Kagawa can play left and he plays there for Japan etc, I had a pretty big debate/argument with Pexbo who was saying he couldn't.

If Young doesn't pick his form up then I think he'll be dropped for Kagwa out wide and Welbeck will come in, or alternatively Nani could play left.
 
Theon said:
If Young doesn't pick his form up then I think he'll be dropped for Kagwa out wide and Welbeck will come in, or alternatively Nani could play left.
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Young's position looks very threatened this year.

If we don't sign RVP I could actually see the 3-1 being

Rooney
Welbeck, Kagawa, Valencia

I think Sir Alex likes Welbeck on the left, and he would give us great mobility and athleticism in the 3 with Kagawa and Valencia. Nani being a very good option on the right, I think.

If we get Van Persie, I don't see Kagawa playing centrally all that much against stronger teams.
 
Drainy said:
Young's position looks very threatened this year.

If we don't sign RVP I could actually see the 3-1 being

Rooney
Welbeck, Kagawa, Valencia

I think Sir Alex likes Welbeck on the left, and he would give us great mobility and athleticism in the 3 with Kagawa and Valencia. Nani being a very good option on the right, I think.

If we get Van Persie, I don't see Kagawa playing centrally all that much against stronger teams.
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Agreed, especially is we sign another winger e.g. Lucas.

Yeah I agree on the four you have selected, but think it would be,

Welbeck
Kagawa Rooney Valencia

That's how I think we will line up for the first game IMO as Young doesnt seem in form. Can't see Welbeck on the left myself, never liked the look of him there. If him and Rooney are both playing I think he will always be the advanced striker, with Rooney the one who drops deep.

If RVP signs Kagawa is permanently stuck on the left, because we aren't going to bench RVP or Rooney. Then Hernandez and Welbeck will struggle.
 
Ramshock said:
:lol: so the people posting on this thread just dismiss the idea that Moura is having a medical soon yet believe RVP is coming. This is opposite world to the Moura thread.
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not sure if you're talking about me but if you are I have discussed how I think we "would" play "if" we signed RVP. I am sceptical that Moura would make an impact on out team straight away, not that we would be interested in him.
 
Ramshock just seems very excited about Lucas. I think he is his favourite player.

So all formation discussions must include Lucas, or he gets upset.
 
Ramshocks ideal formation

----- Lucas ------
Lucas--Lucas--Lucas
 
Theon said:
Agreed, especially is we sign another winger e.g. Lucas.

Yeah I agree on the four you have selected, but think it would be,

Welbeck
Kagawa Rooney Valencia
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Its one of those where I think there would be interchange between Rooney and Welbeck there.

I think Welbeck in the left of a midfield 4 isn't as effective as on the left of the 3 attacking midfielders. In my opinion he'd be very effective in that formation on the left with his athleticism and ability to play and receive the ball into feet while coming inside to support Rooney.

I think in this formation if Kagawa plays centrally, Rooney will be asked to lead the line because he is a more proven goalscorer and Welbeck's mobility will still see him get to the box to be on the end of chances created down the right.
 
I'm finding it extremely difficult to see how he'd fit in at United.

For £20M, I say no. Rather spend those towards repaying that debt or find some young midfield gem.
 
Drainy said:
I think in this formation if Kagawa plays centrally, Rooney will be asked to lead the line because he is a more proven goalscorer and Welbeck's mobility will still see him get to the box to be on the end of chances created down the right.
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I agree, despite Rooney attempting to lead the line a few times last season and being absolutely dire.
 
Jacob said:
I'm finding it extremely difficult to see how he'd fit in at United.

For £20M, I say no. Rather spend those towards repaying that debt or find some young midfield gem.
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Is that not what they are doing with moura or nick powell?
 
Jacob said:
I'm finding it extremely difficult to see how he'd fit in at United.
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I'm starting to think that Kagawa will be used in a midfield two against the weaker opposition, which would leave room up top for two strikers. Then we would have all sorts of options when changing the system in more difficult ties.

I'm strongly in favour of signing Van Persie, I think it would be brilliant. I still reckon him staying at Arsenal is the most likely followed by him going to City, but we'll see.
 
But then the thing about Kagawa playing in a midfield 2 is that it takes games away from clev/ando/powel. Those could be key games for them particularly as you would imagine at least one of them will be on the bench on a regular basis with Carrick being first choice in the middle. I dunno seems to me that if we get RVP and/or lucas we might either be looking at someone leaving or someone getting marginalised.
 
ghaliboy said:
I agree, despite Rooney attempting to lead the line a few times last season and being absolutely dire.
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Hence why i think SAF has interest in RVP. There are few better at playing up front on their own, his touch, hold up play and ability to score goals with little support is something we don't have.

I can see this type of set up:

------------Back 5-------------
--------Carrick--Scholes-------
Nani--------Rooney----Kagawa
-------------RVP----------------

The key being the 3 behind the front man being interchangeable and capable of cutting in to central areas to keep better possession in that area.
Bottom line is i can see a move away from the 2 wingers style (at least some of the time) to a more possession based, imaginative pass and move game. Considering that more players would be operating centrally, it would better explain why we have less of a need to buy a CM.

Not saying i don't think we need one mind, only that more players operating through central areas exposes Scholes and Carrick less than 4-4-2, while still improving our creative and goalscoring options from that area.
 
Personally I think Rooney has been questionable in a deeper role in recent times. Doesn't seem to be finding those passes or showing the carrying ability on the ball to open things up. Think he and we would be better off with him as the lone striker and someone like Kagawa in the hole.
 
You're just a giant muppet with transfers apothesis, in the Lucas thread you reckon we will get him as well and look to be more Barca like.

So what, does he displace Kagawa? So we have Valencia, Hernandez, Kagawa, Young and Welbeck on the bench?
 
Ash_G said:
Personally I think Rooney has been questionable in a deeper role in recent times. Doesn't seem to be finding those passes or showing the carrying ability on the ball to open things up. Think he and we would be better off with him as the lone striker and someone like Kagawa in the hole.
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He looks really bereft of ideas sometimes in that role. Kagawa must play there, in my opinion.
 
KingEric7 said:
He looks really bereft of ideas sometimes in that role. Kagawa must play there, in my opinion.
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Yeah agree with you and Ash, it's why he was signed. Makes no sense to stick him out wide when he is exactly what we need in the middle.
 
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