Robin van Persie

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I don't think his age is a problem. He don't rely on pace. He's quite slim. He will be hungry for trophies. I don't think it's an issue
 
While my head says he is all but set for city, Fergie's public announcement of our interest and recent Mancini's interviews makes my heart believe that we might have a chance. Don't know why but I feel like we will get him.
 
fanutd said:
While my head says he is all but set for city, Fergie's public announcement of our interest and recent Mancini's interviews makes my heart believe that we might have a chance. Don't know why but I feel like we will get him.
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So do I but then I am probably been completely naive to believe that his biggest concern isnt his wage packet. He will be looking for a nice big deal given it could be his last big one.
 
thegregster said:
So do I but then I am probably been completely naive to believe that his biggest concern isnt his wage packet. He will be looking for a nice big deal given it could be his last big one.
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Yes, certainly! I am also ready for the news that he has signed for the bitters ("Hope for the best prepare for the worst" attitude here). But somehow feel like we might just have enough financial pull to make this one happen. Not to mention Sir Alex's admiration of RVP, and previous examples of Sir Alex going for players he likes when he has failed to sign them before.
 
Widnes said:
The problem is in 3 years you have 32 year old on a huge contract, in 3 years Rooney will probably still only be the age Van Persie is now.
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But if in 3 years time we have a few leagues and a few champions leagues..who cares? We still have Keane, Cofie and King coming through..Plenty of potential to save money in the future
 
pete_8 said:
Depends on the type of injury and type of player..Owen was all about pace now that's gone he is not half the player he was, Hargreaves injuries are career threatening especially when taking his position into account. Whereas players like RVP do not rely on pace so can go on longer ..Well that's my opinion anyways.
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so somebody who has had large spells out with groun / hamstring / knee ligament injuries will play longer than a player who has avoided injuries throughout his career????

its all to do with the players pyhsique and how they look after themselves. giggsy and rio are prime examples, both slim, wirey, naturally fit lads who dont carry much weight.

RVP is a bigger, stronger well made lad. similar in physique / movement to steven gerrard. personally i think he will always be prone to groind and hamstring injuries. wouldnt put me off signing him for the fee mentioned though.

the other thing people are put off by seems to be his age? it perfect as far as i can see. by the time we get 3 years out of him we'll be ready to ship him back to holland where he can have a season at PSV before retirement right around about the time welbeck and hernandez will be approaching there mid 20's. ideal! get him signed
 
Striker10 said:
But if in 3 years time we have a few leagues and a few champions leagues..who cares? We still have Keane, Cofie and King coming through..Plenty of potential to save money in the future
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Exactly. 3 years is a lifetime in football. If you buy someone younger for big money you are not guaranteed a sell on value nor success on the pitch. And why the hell would you want to sell someone on if he's a success? I rather keep Ronaldo than having those 80m we were given.

Big clubs like us should be able to bring someone in, even if only for a short period and then dump the leftovers once we've squized the last drops out of the player.

I mean, what the hell are we suppose to do? Sit and watch City pick up quality players and win titles while we go cheap and hope on big wonders.
 
Read rumours that City will virtually give Adebayor away to get him out of the club to encourage RVP to sign, as he hates him. Wouldn't surprise me if they ended up paying him a huge leaving fee to get him to agree to Spurs' wage offer
 
Van Persie has been in England ages now, surely who know's who the top dog is club wise and that teams like Chelsea, City or Blackburn come and go. There'll be another rich owner about soon enough but United will always be special and at the moment, are still at the top challenging as well. He'd be silly not to sign whilst SAF is still there but money does funny things to people.

All of us on here would do a Berba to sign for United but to most footballers the difference of even 10 or 20k is massive, even at those high wages. Lets be honest most of us in our every day jobs wouldn't turn down a few quid more a week. I hope we get him but hope we get LMDS more.
 
Successful said:
Exactly. 3 years is a lifetime in football. If you buy someone younger for big money you are not guaranteed a sell on value nor success on the pitch. And why the hell would you want to sell someone on if he's a success? I rather keep Ronaldo than having those 80m we were given.

Big clubs like us should be able to bring someone in, even if only for a short period and then dump the leftovers once we've squized the last drops out of the player.

I mean, what the hell are we suppose to do? Sit and watch City pick up quality players and win titles while we go cheap and hope on big wonders.
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"Fans" like you deserve no loyalty from a player.
 
This seems exactly the same as the Nasri thing last year. Even the quotes from Mancini look identical.
 
Adzzz said:
Also, if I was Hernandez and Welbeck, studying Rooney and RvP in training would be an absolute dream.
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Probably not as big a dream as actually playing games, to be fair.
 
Ekeke said:
Biggest dream would be outperforming them and rightfully playing instead of them.
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Ayee, no doubt. Would kind of make the £20,000,000 transfer fee and £180,000 per week contract a bit unnecessary though.

If we have faith in Hernandez and Welbeck to do as you say, then the transfer is unnecessary. Otherwise it just hinders their development no matter what spin is put on it, such as learning from him in training. Not directed at Adzz because a few people have mentioned it, but they will learn from playing games. The influence Van Persie would have on their development through training is negligible, they are already surrounded by world class players. I hardly think one more will make much of a difference.

But losing 15 games per season will make a difference, a dramatic one IMO.
 
Gillespie said:
Am I the only fan who couldn't give a toss what rival fans call us?

The worse the abuse the more I think what a bitter wanky lot they are

feck'em all
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I find it a tad embarrasing when you have an online conversation about something and they continue to say Man Yoo or Yernited or even Manure.

I don't go around saying 'the arse' or 'liverpoo' or 'chelshit' or something like that because it looks juvenile. You can usually tell the length and breadth of a person's footballing knowledge when these shite nicknames come out.
 
ghaliboy said:
I find it a tad embarrasing when you have an online conversation about something and they continue to say Man Yoo or Yernited or even Manure.

I don't go around saying 'the arse' or 'liverpoo' or 'chelshit' or something like that because it looks juvenile. You can usually tell the length and breadth of a person's footballing knowledge when these shite nicknames come out.
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Does that apply to rags as well?

When I was a kid United were quite universally refered to a Munichs, in Manchester. I have made my opinion quite clear on that stuff on this forum so I am quite proud of the fact that United are refered to as rags and that all the munich stuff is if not quite dead, then it is definietely on its last legs.
 
Theon said:
Ayee, no doubt. Would kind of make the £20,000,000 transfer fee and £180,000 per week contract a bit unnecessary though.

If we have faith in Hernandez and Welbeck to do as you say, then the transfer is unnecessary. Otherwise it just hinders their development no matter what spin is put on it, such as learning from him in training. Not directed at Adzz because a few people have mentioned it, but they will learn from playing games. The influence Van Persie would have on their development through training is negligible, they are already surrounded by world class players. I hardly think one more will make much of a difference.

But losing 15 games per season will make a difference, a dramatic one IMO.
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Would it be that unnecessary if, enduring the challenge of competing with RVP and Rooney, Welbeck and maybe even Hernandez actually become better striking options than one of them?

That would be pushing them to become better players than they're actually likely to be right now and while I'm sure people would be wagging their fingers saying RVP was a waste of money if Welbeck or Hernandez are playing instead of him, but if theres a direct knock on to the development of one or both players it might still be worth it dont you agree?

For me this is what happened with Scholes and Veron, so even if some people think he was a waste of money I just think they arent looking at the big picture. Without players of that caliber to compete with sometimes you wont deliver your full potential.
 
newtonheathdave said:
Does that apply to rags as well?

When I was a kid United were quite universally refered to a Munichs, in Manchester. I have made my opinion quite clear on that stuff on this forum so I am quite proud of the fact that United are refered to as rags and that all the munich stuff is if not quite dead, then it is definietely on its last legs.
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I could be wrong as I'm pretty ignorant of where the term "rag" started. Ie maybe its more offensive than I know. But plenty of posters on here use the term "bitters" when talking about City. So if those two rather innocuous terms are of roughly equivalent "offensiveness" then I doubt saying rags would be a problem.

Once again though, I could be totally off the mark.
 
newtonheathdave said:
Does that apply to rags as well?

When I was a kid United were quite universally refered to a Munichs, in Manchester. I have made my opinion quite clear on that stuff on this forum so I am quite proud of the fact that United are refered to as rags and that all the munich stuff is if not quite dead, then it is definietely on its last legs.
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Not so much a blight on said persons knowledge but more an identifier that they are bitter and a feckwit. Either way I am not sure which is worse.

Fair enough on your second point.

I've never had any problem identifying each club as it is rather than say things like 'Al Citeh' or 'Cash City'. Even 'the bitters' is a bit cringe at times but it seems fashionable to call your rival by some stupid cnutish name.
 
Bebe said:
I could be wrong as I'm pretty ignorant of where the term "rag" started. Ie maybe its more offensive than I know. But plenty of posters on here use the term "bitters" when talking about City. So if those two rather innocuous terms are of roughly equivalent "offensiveness" then I doubt saying rags would be a problem.

Once again though, I could be totally off the mark.
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There are a few threads which give a few different reasons as to where rags comes from. The one I was told was that we dyed one of our old kits red after Old Trafford was bombed. It is not an offensive term any way.
 
newtonheathdave said:
Does that apply to rags as well?

When I was a kid United were quite universally refered to a Munichs, in Manchester. I have made my opinion quite clear on that stuff on this forum so I am quite proud of the fact that United are refered to as rags and that all the munich stuff is if not quite dead, then it is definietely on its last legs.
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Calling us the Rags is more a compliment than an insult.

It shows we were a poor and underprivileged lot, who, maybe, started in rags. Our dedication and hard work brought us to the top of the world, and today we are the best and the most popular club in the world.

That is character, man. And I am proud of this tag.

And the Munichs: We lost almost our whole team. But, we built ourselves up thanks to Sir Busby. Again, hard work and dedication.

We dont need sugar daddies to prop ourselves up. The character of our coaches, managers and staff diffuses into the playing arena, and that is where we show our class.
 
Given the depressing IPO news, I wouldn't hold your breath on signing likes of RvP or Moura. Can't believe a word that comes out of Fergie's or Gill's mouth.
 
Bebe said:
I could be wrong as I'm pretty ignorant of where the term "rag" started. Ie maybe its more offensive than I know. But plenty of posters on here use the term "bitters" when talking about City. So if those two rather innocuous terms are of roughly equivalent "offensiveness" then I doubt saying rags would be a problem.

Once again though, I could be totally off the mark.
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There are a few threads which give a few different reasons as to where rags comes from. The one I was told was that we dyed one of our old kits red after Old Trafford was bombed. It is not an offensive term any way.
 
Sunny Jim said:
what depresing IPO news?
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The glazers revising their IPO proposal and now deciding to take half of the IPO proceeds for themselves instead of the original proposal to use all the IPO proceeds to help clear the debt.
 
Sunny Jim said:
thank you mate.


Maybe they should sell the naming rights, Rooney and cut off our losses on Academy. all for they personal wealth.
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It wouldnt surprise me if they did do something like that to be honest.
 
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