Unless it's a TV advert. 'day sey.... ee is a legend.'
Robin van Persie
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Unless it's a TV advert. 'day sey.... ee is a legend.'
Clearly they're well on their way to buying their place at the top table, and will stay there until their owner loses interest. If they're very lucky they'll have a Berlusconi-type situation. What particularly bothers me, however, is the City fans who think they're now in their rightful place and act accordingly, as if the decades of mediocrity were some kind of penance they had to pay before coming into their deserved glory. It's an attitude, a kind of exceptionalism, that makes fans of other clubs hate them even more than they already would for their financial doping.
City's 'success' could have happened to any one of dozens of clubs, and its function is to provide some entertainment to, and to boost the profile of, some Emirati feudal lords. Aside from effectively renting the fans of old Manchester City to provide an air of legitimacy to this project, it has feck all to do with Manchester City Football Club as we knew and loved/hated them. I actually find this sad, not least because I remember being really rather delighted when it first appeared on SSN that they'd shifted that ridiculous scumbag Shinawatra who was dragging a proud old Mancunian institution through the dirt.
excuse me, what?!!
It's not like he's been the face of Nike and Fifa for the past few years...
Thats a brilliant post. Well said, Sir.
Thanks Chabron that's a very well articulated post and it's true that it is not much to do with Manchester City apart from their facilities and name being franchised. A bit like the MK Dons but with more muscle
Tbh though Chabon, anyone who is at the top is often hated by those below. We have not had any financial doping, we have got where we are by good marketing and business strategies over a couple of decades, but everyone else still hated us and resented our success, only for different reasons.
Everything you say about City was originally said about Chelsea. While it is undoubtedly true, it is of little consequence really. Chelsea have still been successful, and Roman is still the only thing between further success or bankruptcy. I have little doubt that City will be exactly the same. Unfortunately success is still success whether it has been earned fairly or by financial doping from a sugar daddy.
Not many have really accused Chelsea of buying the CL win last season, but they still have in many ways, as their situation is no different now to when Roman took over. They are still using his money to maintain a position in the elite echelons of European football, that under their own merits would otherwise, be nothing more than a pipe dream.
Hopefully FFP will help put the brakes on this manner of artificial economy, but i doubt it personally. It seems that if you have enough money for the best legal advice available, then there always seems to be ways around the laws, as we regularly see in more general business practices outside of sport.
Well that part is certainly true, the footballing authorities have shown no interest whatsoever in the integrity of the game, and likely won't until it's too late and the whole ridiculous edifice has collapsed in on itself.
I think integrity left the game a long time ago. As soon as you allow situations like leveraged buyouts and 'financial doping', as Wenger puts it, then you're saying everything's fair game. I don't really see a way back from here.
Exceptionalism? What club of any stature isn't guilty of that? It's pretty much the essence of being a football fan... a kind of gleefully irrational tribalistic supremacism.
We are the pride of all Europe
No-one-likes us, we don't care
We do what we want, we do what we want...
There's degrees of guilt though. All fans think there's something special about their football club, and apart from Spurs fans they're largely right. I have a good friend who's a proper Notts County fanatic, and he loves talking about their being the oldest club in football, but he, and most of the rest of their fanbase, don't act like entitled dickheads because of it. United fans tend to be arrogant bastards, no doubts there, but it is at least a little justified.
A huge number of City fans think they're genuinely the 'best fans' in the country, their justification usually being that a lot of them kept showing up when they once had to face the massive indignity of a season in the third division. That arrogant posturing was merely irritating before, now that they've stumbled backwards into supporting the most expensive squad in the history of football it's gone into overdrive. A large number of City fans genuinely believe that they deserve this and, even more most success in football, deserve's got nothing to do with it.
It's patronising bollocks which pisses off a lot of football fans, not least my friend.
A huge number of City fans think they're genuinely the 'best fans' in the country, their justification usually being that a lot of them kept showing up when they once had to face the massive indignity of a season in the third division. That arrogant posturing was merely irritating before, now that they've stumbled backwards into supporting the most expensive squad in the history of football it's gone into overdrive. A large number of City fans genuinely believe that they deserve this and, even more most success in football, deserve's got nothing to do with it.
It's patronising bollocks which pisses off a lot of football fans, not least my friend.
Is RVP on his way yet?
Now how do you say who the best fans in the world are? What makes the best fans?
Now it is not about the massive indignity of having one season in the 3rd division. City had been shit for all my life, not just one season.
Now not one city fan I know says we deserve anything. But we are extremely grateful that is for sure.
One thing is certain, if them fans had not stuck by city when we were going through the shit then there is absolutely no chance what so ever we would have been bought out and be in the position we are in today.
Now your right, we have done nothing to deserve our take over nor have we done anything to deserve success. All City fans have done is stuck by their team through the rough and the smooth. But you would have been hard pressed before our take over to find opposition fans who would begrudge City fans having a bit of luck, so I reckon your wrong about pissing off a lot of football fans.
The funny thing is, in a thread about a possible Van Persie transfer, you have ranted on about City's money, City not being the club they were and finally some rant about the fans for no apparent reason. To be honest you seem a little bitter. Considering the mods thought it funny to put bitter under my name, it does tickle me that one of the least bitter people on a Manchester United forum is the only Manchester City fan.
I think he might see out his contract at arsenal and leave on a free at the end of the season. If it's true that he's demanding Rooney type wages, I think the only way we could do that is if no transfer fee is involved. Combined with the fact that he doesn't seem to prefer City, and City have too many attacking players already, I think him seeing out his contract is a real possibility.
His stock wont be this high... and he might get injured again.
He'll be 30 before next season will start.. Dont think too many would be lining up to pay him 250k/week and a long contract.
He'll be 30 before next season will start.. Dont think too many would be lining up to pay him 250k/week and a long contract.
RE: All this City off-topic bollocks.
All of this was said about Chelsea at the end of the 05/06 season going into 06/07 when they added Ballack and Shevchenko.
"Oh, they don't deserve it, Waah, it's theirs till the money fecks off"
Didn't work out too bad for us then and we'll sure as shit not be giving it up now.
Now RVP...
Don't want.
All of this was said about Chelsea at the end of the 05/06 season going into 06/07 when they added Ballack and Shevchenko.
"Oh, they don't deserve it, Waah, it's theirs till the money fecks off"
Didn't work out too bad for us then and we'll sure as shit not be giving it up now.
Now RVP...
Don't want.
leave on a free?? the arsenal higher-ups would be roasted for that. no...he'll be gone soon enough.
If there's no decent offer it suits us to keep him for another year.
David, I think you need to buy a dictionary and look up the words 'bitter' and 'rant'. Nothing I've said or done even remotely matches any meaning of either word, and it does nothing for your argument to try and claim so. I mean, Christ, what on Earth would I ever have to be bitter about regarding football, I'm a United fan born in the mid-80s for feck's sake...
Right now it looks the most likely option.
paying the wages he is asking wont be teh problem, but I dont think United will over pay for him. So Arsenal will let him go for a reasonable fee. It will be poor business to keep a want away player on his final year.
They've got their own lexicon on here. 'Bitter' just means 'opposition fan', 'to bottle' just means 'to lose' except if it's Man Utd when it can't be applied, 'world-class' often means 'average' or 'mediocre' when appearing in a sentence with Man Utd.
Bitter much, Pete?
Ehh, no it doesn't. Although last season we bottled it about as much as anyone has done ever.
Pete is just bitter because his team bottle it every time they come up against world class opposition.
Pete's team bottle it when they come up against average opposition.
I hope Percy doesn't bottle his move to Old Trafford.
I really hope that's a joke, or else you've just proven his point.
He has been brought up in a bottling culture though. I would expect bottling if I were you.
If only Garry Cook hadn't made using the phrase "bottling it" seem so cool.
Find it funny that newtonheathdave is bit peeved that he has been given the tagline of bitter and yet referred to us as Rags in one of his posts. I imagine that Any United fans on bluemoon would be given an instant ban if they referred to City as bitters.
That's all they call us over there. Any United post, 'rags this' 'rags that.' It's pretty funny.
KM is like a politician; he can turn anything and everything back on the poster and make them look bad.
That's quite uncalled for actually. I hate politicians.
im not so sure. if it is a choice between getting 15 million pounds or just letting him leave on a free, it may be better for them to let him leave for free while increasing their chances of champions league qualification. this is especially true if they are having trouble lining up a quality replacement. the problem for arsenal is that no one is willing to pay an extravagant transfer fee with only a year left on his contract.
the problem with letting him play out his contract is if he gets injured, they have lost the fee and he will not be any help in their title quest. Also how dedicated will he be in his last year?
The probability is he will leave.
The probability is he will leave.
it is true that injury is a risk, but i think it is one they might be willing to take if they don't get a bid in the 20 million pound range. my point is that i don't think there's anyone around who is willing to pay that amount plus the wages that van persie seems to be demanding. maybe i'd say it is 50/50 if he stays or goes at this point.
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