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Varun_Utd said:
And do what with welbeck? Reward him with a spot on the bench for being very good this season?
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He's been very good for his age but not top class. There aren't many strikers his age that start for the best teams and there's a reason for that, he's still got plenty to learn. I don't see the problem in him not being a constant starter. Evans has been very good this season but doesn't mean vidic isn't going to come in for him when he's back. Way I see it getting rvp would work out very well. He can give us a couple of seasons at his peak at which point welbeck can learn a lot and still get a lot of game time and then as rvp is coming out of his leak welbeck should be fully ready. And if he progresses faster then that's even better.
 
Ash_G said:
He's been very good for his age but not top class. There aren't many strikers his age that start for the best teams and there's a reason for that, he's still got plenty to learn. I don't see the problem in him not being a constant starter. Evans has been very good this season but doesn't mean vidic isn't going to come in for him when he's back. Way I see it getting rvp would work out very well. He can give us a couple of seasons at his peak at which point welbeck can learn a lot and still get a lot of game time and then as rvp is coming out of his leak welbeck should be fully ready. And if he progresses faster then that's even better.
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And the learning is best done on the pitch in real matches. With the kind of improvement he's made this season and the way he's led the line, it'd make absolutely no sense to drop him to the bench next season. Specially so when we already have hernandez there.

As i see it, a club like ours needs 3 top strikers to really compete considering the number of games we play. At the moment, we have the perfect mix. If we were to let both owen and berba leave, i'd rather we get a young promising kid or promote one from within rather than signing a top striker like RVP for a lot of money and high wages.

Also, unless we've suddenly discovered a gold mine and would be willing to spend close to 50mil this summer, we'd be well advised to focus on addressing the midfield issues before we aim to strengthen areas where we're already well stocked.
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Address this too please, edited it a bit late, didnt see you had replied already.
 
Varun_Utd said:
And the learning is best done on the pitch in real matches. With the kind of improvement he's made this season and the way he's led the line, it'd make absolutely no sense to drop him to the bench next season. Specially so when we already have hernandez there.

As i see it, a club like ours needs 3 top strikers to really compete considering the number of games we play. At the moment, we have the perfect mix. If we were to let both owen and berba leave, i'd rather we get a young promising kid or promote one from within rather than signing a top striker like RVP for a lot of money and high wages.



Address this too please, edited it a bit late, didnt see you had replied already.
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He can still learn by playing, but it doesn't mean he has to play every game. The four strikers rule is a good rule and we've seen it can work superbly. For whatever reason fergie isn't find of berba and so to me ww're one top striker short. I think having Rooney and rvp in their primes and then welbeck an Hernandez learning is the ideal situation. They can still get plenty of games but having another established striker makes us much stronger.

Additionally in the particular case of rvp he can play in the deep role too which helps us in two ways. It gives us superb cover for when Rooney is injured but also it means that we don't have to rely on him as much and make sure that we can keep him fresh all season.

I didn't write that other bit you quoted but I'll assume it was to me. As I said in my earlier posts a new striker is not a priority. But if we can get someone like rvp for a price much cheaper than a player of his quality in today's game, coupled with wages that will bearer but not obsene then I think it's worth it. This is a top, top player a lot better than either welbeck or Hernandez currently are. He's capable of creating for others as well as making something for himself out of nothing which is something Hernandez doesn't do very well and something welbeck can do but not anywhere near as well yet. That would be a big asset for our team as we wouldn't need a top class midfielder as much if you have two stickers as creative as Rooney and rvp.

Obviously a midfielder is more important and if it's one or the other then we should go for a midfielder. But if we can get him as well we should and just because it might mean less game time for welbeck or Hernandez shouldn't be an issue. They'll get game time but they'll have to fight for a place too which is a much better position to be in from our point of view. If he did come than berba would def go which would free up some space on the wage bill, similarly I can't see Owen staying. I still don't expect him to come but if he is willing to then I'd hope fergie is talking to him. Regardless of whether he comes if berba is so out of favour then I think we need another older striker anyway, not as much as a midfielder but it's still needed.
 
duffer said:
He's injury prone, turns 30 next year and is out of contract at the end of next season. Arsenal should bite their hands off if they bid over £50 million.
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The 50mil wasnt just for him. He'l go for 20-25mil i think.

Ash_G said:
He can still learn by playing, but it doesn't mean he has to play every game. The four strikers rule is a good rule and we've seen it can work superbly. For whatever reason fergie isn't find of berba and so to me ww're one top striker short. I think having Rooney and rvp in their primes and then welbeck an Hernandez learning is the ideal situation. They can still get plenty of games but having another established striker makes us much stronger.

Additionally in the particular case of rvp he can play in the deep role too which helps us in two ways. It gives us superb cover for when Rooney is injured but also it means that we don't have to rely on him as much and make sure that we can keep him fresh all season.

I didn't write that other bit you quoted but I'll assume it was to me. As I said in my earlier posts a new striker is not a priority. But if we can get someone like rvp for a price much cheaper than a player of his quality in today's game, coupled with wages that will bearer but not obsene then I think it's worth it. This is a top, top player a lot better than either welbeck or Hernandez currently are. He's capable of creating for others as well as making something for himself out of nothing which is something Hernandez doesn't do very well and something welbeck can do but not anywhere near as well yet. That would be a big asset for our team as we wouldn't need a top class midfielder as much if you have two stickers as creative as Rooney and rvp.

Obviously a midfielder is more important and if it's one or the other then we should go for a midfielder. But if we can get him as well we should and just because it might mean less game time for welbeck or Hernandez shouldn't be an issue. They'll get game time but they'll have to fight for a place too which is a much better position to be in from our point of view. If he did come than berba would def go which would free up some space on the wage bill, similarly I can't see Owen staying. I still don't expect him to come but if he is willing to then I'd hope fergie is talking to him. Regardless of whether he comes if berba is so out of favour then I think we need another older striker anyway, not as much as a midfielder but it's still needed.
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So you agree we need a midfielder more. considering the quality we're looking for, its unlikely to be cheaper than 25-30mil + good wages. there's no real chance we can afford another 20-25mil + good wages on RVP after that really. So its all a bit meh to discuss it.

Even then, i guess we'l have to agree to disagree here. You believe a Rooney RVP partnership will still leave us enough games to give matches to both welbeck and hernandez, i dont. I think whoever is 4th choice will struggle to play the really meaningful matches because Rooney plays every game if fit and it'd be the same for RVP. Neither would fancy sitting on the bench for league games or in europe. So it'd be the FA cup or the CC for welbeck and chicha and i wouldnt want that. Both of them will become top strikers and i think both are developed enough to play their part now. If we do let both berba and owen go, it should be a young striker either from within or a signing. definitely not a RVP for me.
 
Varun_Utd said:
So you agree we need a midfielder more. considering the quality we're looking for, its unlikely to be cheaper than 25-30mil + good wages. there's no real chance we can afford another 20-25mil + good wages on RVP after that really. So its all a bit meh to discuss it.

Even then, i guess we'l have to agree to disagree here. You believe a Rooney RVP partnership will still leave us enough games to give matches to both welbeck and hernandez, i dont. I think whoever is 4th choice will struggle to play the really meaningful matches because Rooney plays every game if fit and it'd be the same for RVP. Neither would fancy sitting on the bench for league games or in europe. So it'd be the FA cup or the CC for welbeck and chicha and i wouldnt want that. Both of them will become top strikers and i think both are developed enough to play their part now. If we do let both berba and owen go, it should be a young striker either from within or a signing. definitely not a RVP for me.
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Agree with all that.

RVP would be lovely. As would Messi, as would Iniesta. But none of them are coming here.
 
Varun_Utd said:
The 50mil wasnt just for him. He'l go for 20-25mil i think.



So you agree we need a midfielder more. considering the quality we're looking for, its unlikely to be cheaper than 25-30mil + good wages. there's no real chance we can afford another 20-25mil + good wages on RVP after that really. So its all a bit meh to discuss it.

Even then, i guess we'l have to agree to disagree here. You believe a Rooney RVP partnership will still leave us enough games to give matches to both welbeck and hernandez, i dont. I think whoever is 4th choice will struggle to play the really meaningful matches because Rooney plays every game if fit and it'd be the same for RVP. Neither would fancy sitting on the bench for league games or in europe. So it'd be the FA cup or the CC for welbeck and chicha and i wouldnt want that. Both of them will become top strikers and i think both are developed enough to play their part now. If we do let both berba and owen go, it should be a young striker either from within or a signing. definitely not a RVP for me.
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Well if Berba and Owen goes I'm sure that'll fill up some space on the wage bill plus they should fetch us some cash, well Berba should not Owen. Add to that if we do sign any midfielders than someone from midfield will have to go as given we generally play 2 midfielders we'd struggle now, if we had everyone fit to give eveyone games. Provided Scholes stays on I think Ando will go, as he just can't stay fit and I think Park will go as he is surplus now. Again between them they'll bring in some cash and free up some wages.

So really I don't see why with some departures which is likely anyway we can't sign one midfielder and one striker. As I said midfield is the priority but I think a top class striker will help too. As for getting enough games again I don't see the issue. We've done it before fine and most are players are pretty flexible. I.e. welbeck showed he can play wide well and so could be a good choice there when we want to rest our other wingers or some are injured, especially if Park goes. Both can develop and be top players without playing every game at this stage. Personally I see Hernandez as an impact player in the long run anyway.
 
Muppet hat on:

If Berba is off and RvP doesn't want to sign a new contract at Arsenal, it's not really beyond the realms of possibility that we buy him.

Guesstimate over where he'll end up:

United (15%)
City (20%)
Barca (15%)
Real Madrid (20%)
Arsenal (30%)
 
Ash_G said:
Well if Berba and Owen goes I'm sure that'll fill up some space on the wage bill plus they should fetch us some cash, well Berba should not Owen. Add to that if we do sign any midfielders than someone from midfield will have to go as given we generally play 2 midfielders we'd struggle now, if we had everyone fit to give eveyone games. Provided Scholes stays on I think Ando will go, as he just can't stay fit and I think Park will go as he is surplus now. Again between them they'll bring in some cash and free up some wages.

So really I don't see why with some departures which is likely anyway we can't sign one midfielder and one striker. As I said midfield is the priority but I think a top class striker will help too. As for getting enough games again I don't see the issue. We've done it before fine and most are players are pretty flexible. I.e. welbeck showed he can play wide well and so could be a good choice there when we want to rest our other wingers or some are injured, especially if Park goes. Both can develop and be top players without playing every game at this stage. Personally I see Hernandez as an impact player in the long run anyway.
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A top class midfielder and a top class striker. Never going to happen.
 
Also I'm pretttty sure Ferguson has had enough of injury plagued players as it is, let alone whacking a great fee on a 28 year old...

Never. Going. To. Happen.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
A top class midfielder and a top class striker. Never going to happen.
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Well as I've said I'm not expecting RVP to join all I'm saying is that I still hope we look in to him. He's not gonna cost as much as a player of his worth normally would and with expected departures there's no reason why we couldn't go for him. We don't particularly need to strengthen any other areas after midfield, but with Berba not being favoured I think we need another experienced striker and currently there's a player, proven in the league, bang in his prime, seemingly over his injuries who's contract is running out in a year. Seems perfect to me.
 
Ash_G said:
Well if Berba and Owen goes I'm sure that'll fill up some space on the wage bill plus they should fetch us some cash, well Berba should not Owen. Add to that if we do sign any midfielders than someone from midfield will have to go as given we generally play 2 midfielders we'd struggle now, if we had everyone fit to give eveyone games. Provided Scholes stays on I think Ando will go, as he just can't stay fit and I think Park will go as he is surplus now. Again between them they'll bring in some cash and free up some wages.

So really I don't see why with some departures which is likely anyway we can't sign one midfielder and one striker. As I said midfield is the priority but I think a top class striker will help too. As for getting enough games again I don't see the issue. We've done it before fine and most are players are pretty flexible. I.e. welbeck showed he can play wide well and so could be a good choice there when we want to rest our other wingers or some are injured, especially if Park goes. Both can develop and be top players without playing every game at this stage. Personally I see Hernandez as an impact player in the long run anyway.
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You really think we'd sell Berba, Owen, Park and Anderson in one go? I reckon a maximum of one of those four players will leave this summer, and it'll be Berba or Owen.
 
I can maybe see two of them going.

I cant see Owen going - isnt he on a pay per play contract? So there is no reason for us to offload him. And he likes being at United from what he says, it doesnt seem to be about the money for him. Not that it makes any difference either way, with him.

Park I can also see staying longer, even though he doesnt fit into the way we play these days as much as he did before the return of 442.

Anderson I hope stays but one of these days we will have to call it quits with him. And Berbs has to be off.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I can maybe see two of them going.

I cant see Owen going - isnt he on a pay per play contract? So there is no reason for us to offload him. And he likes being at United from what he says, it doesnt seem to be about the money for him. Not that it makes any difference either way, with him.

Park I can also see staying longer, even though he doesnt fit into the way we play these days as much as he did before the return of 442.

Anderson I hope stays but one of these days we will have to call it quits with him. And Berbs has to be off.
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Here one reason for you. The 25 player limit.
 
I think we might sell a few of the players mentioned.

Owen will probably go. I know he's on a pay as you play contract so we don't have to sell him, however what's the point in keeping him? He's useless to be quite frank. Occasionally looks good against Championship sides because he's still a decent finisher, but he's quite clearly out of his depth at this level.

Berbatov might go. Fergie may not want to get rid of him for free, but I don't think Berbatov will be able to handle sitting on the bench for too much longer, even if he has been taking his lack of action very well.

Park will probably stay though. He's not a brilliant player, but he's a hard worker who is handy because he can slot in pretty much anywhere in the midfield.

Anderson will probably go. Some may say there's hope for him yet, but I don't see it. He's barely good enough to play for us when he is fit, yet he struggles to maintain his fitness. Unfortunately, it looks like he's going to be a case on unfulfilled talent.

That should hopefully bring in some money, as well as freeing up the wage bill as well. To be honest though, I'd rather we spent the money on a top class midfielder though. Van Persie's an incredible player, however he's not a player who plays in a position that we desperately need to strengthen in.
 
NewDawnFades said:
You really think we'd sell Berba, Owen, Park and Anderson in one go? I reckon a maximum of one of those four players will leave this summer, and it'll be Berba or Owen.
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I don't see why not. At the end of the day if we want to sign a midfielder we have to make space and any see us selling a striker to make room for a midfielder. Without injuries we're well stocked in terms of numbers there. We typically play with two midfielders and by my count we have 6 players there already excluding Pogba and jones. Someone from midfield will have to leave esp if scholes stays another year, and ando makes the most sense.

I just don't think we need park anymore. He's not worth bringing in for tight games now because all of our main wingers are excellent at tracking back now so he can't offer enough extra security to compensate for the lack of attacking threat imo. Love the guy but everyone has their use. Also in sure he'd like to spend his last few years playing.

As fas as I'm concerned we need four strikers and in the squad we're lacking an older more experienced striker, which should be berba but he clearly isn't favoured. I can't see him wanting to stay and if fergie has no use for him I don't know why he'd keep someone as expensive as he must be. I don't think we can replace him with a young striker because sometimes you just need some experience. As I said for a player of his quality rvp, at what he'd likely cost rvp could be a perfect signing.

I'm not saying I expect it to happen but in principle I think it's possible and would be a good move for us. And if we don't get him regardless as well as looking for a midfielder we should be looking for a replacement for berba.
 
He's on the way to break the record for most goals in one PL season. He needs to score 6 goals in the remaining 10 games.
 
Needs a rest, no idea why he wasn't given one yesterday after we were looking set.
 
Floyd said:
Muppet hat on:

If Berba is off and RvP doesn't want to sign a new contract at Arsenal, it's not really beyond the realms of possibility that we buy him.

Guesstimate over where he'll end up:

United (0%)
City (2%)
Barca (3%)
Real Madrid (10%)
Arsenal (55%)
Bayern (30%)
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Feeky_Magee said:
I'd be giving City a much higher percentage than 2.
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Yup, if tevez leaves, which i reckon will happen, City are sure to come in with a big big and very high wages.

Has to be between Real City and Chelsea imo.
 
I think that if he's going to leave Arsenal for anywhere, then it's going to be City. More likely to end up there than at Real Madrid or Barcelona, in my opinion.
 
City seem to have a penchant for nicking Arsenal players. I agree that if RvP were to leave that would be his most likely destination.

Arsenal really need to get out of this trend of being a feeder club though. Their wage structure and investment in youth is admirable, but they need to try and keep hold of a few at least.
 
cheesy said:
I think that if he's going to leave Arsenal for anywhere, then it's going to be City. More likely to end up there than at Real Madrid or Barcelona, in my opinion.
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That won't happen but if that does happen then they should change their name to man city feeder club.
 
The Times today reports that he will sign a 4-year deal with Arsenal (£130k p/w, loyalty bonuses) having rejected a £215k p/w contract with Citeh.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The Times today reports that he will sign a 4-year deal with Arsenal (£130k p/w, loyalty bonuses) having rejected a £215k p/w contract with Citeh.
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If that's true we should clap him onto the field next time we play arsenal.
 
Good for him, even better for Arsenal.

I like him. Has a bit of a mean streak on the pitch as well (the good way)!
 
Guy Incognito said:
The Times today reports that he will sign a 4-year deal with Arsenal (£130k p/w, loyalty bonuses) having rejected a £215k p/w contract with Citeh.
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Actually the Times say something different.

More interesting stuff in the broadsheets, with The Times reporting that Robin van Persie is 'leaning towards' sitting tight and seeing out the final year of his contract at Arsenal.

The paper reports that Van Persie has 'yet to give any indication as to whether he will sign the contract extension that is expected to be offered at the end of the season, but has accepted that his options are more limited than he had envisaged.'

Apparently because Manchester City are the only ones to show any interest at present, Van Persie is keeping his options open, having worried about the way City have imploded this season, and is warming to the idea of sticking around at Arsenal.

The paper claims: 'Arsène Wenger, who is still upset over City's aggressive pursuit of Samir Nasri last year, has made it clear that he would not be willing to sell Van Persie to them in any circumstances.

'Arsenal would prefer their captain to sign an extension and, to that end, are prepared to offer him a new four-year contract at the end of the season. The club are prepared to shatter their wage structure to retain Van Persie and have put together a package that would increase his weekly wages from £80,000 to £130,000 as well as giving him a loyalty bonus worth £6 million.'
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Still think he won't sign with Arsenal.
 
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