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Robin van Persie
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Just seen this Ash, yeah I agree with alot of that. Cant personally see him going to Barca seeing as Messi’s there and they have other area’s to strengthen, like centre back or left wing. As for Madrid they’ve got two great strikers in Higuain and Benzema fighting it out for one spot, so theres no need for Van Persie as having two on the bench all the time is just ridiculous. Benzema particularly has been excellent this season for Madrid, pretty much all facets of his game have improved and he looks to be consistently playing well, so I dont think striker is a priority for them. Although there’s a story going around that they’re interested in Aguero, and want to swap with City for Higuain, so feck knows to be honest. I dont think its at all likely anyway, which rules out Spain.
As for England I agree Chelsea isn’t going to happen which leaves us and City. To be honest I doubt we’d get him for some reason, although what you say makes sense I just cant see it, probably because he’ll get offered higher wages elsewhere. Him and Rooney would be devastating though and with him playing further up field than Rooney they’d compliment each other well I think. I’d be a bit worried about the impact it has on Welbeck and Hernandez though, as we dont want their development to stall, but obviously to sign RVP it’s probably worth the risk, especially if we end up missing out on the title this season.
Then there’s City which I think is his most likely English destination by far. At the minute they have Dzeko and Balotelli rotating for the lone striker role, then they have Silva, Aguero in two of the attacking midfield role, with the third being rotated around Nasri, Johnson or Milner. Signing Van Persie would be a great improvement as it would allow the striker role to be shared between Van Persie and Dzeko, then the three attacking midfield roles to be Aguero, Silva, Balotelli, with Nasri and Johnson in reserve. So you’d effectively improve the striker spot, with RVP being better than anything they have now, and it would improve the left wing spot, as it drops Nasri who has been disappointing, for Balotelli. Like this;
---- Toure --- Barry ---
Aguero – Silva – Balotelli
--------Van Persie ------
With Italy it’s hard to know really, cant see him at Milan as they’ve got decent strikers already in Ibrahimovic, Cassano, Robinho and Pato, so they’d probably have to get rid of one to make space. Where he’d make sense as a brilliant signing is at Inter Milan. I’ve not seen them loads this season but when I have Pazzini hasn’t seemed at all good enough and with Milito well into his 30’s they are going to need to upgrade that position. Possibly Sneijder being there could influence his decision with them both being Dutch, but on the opposite side they’ve been awful this season and seem like a club in decline. Most of their best players are 30 plus now, like Lucio, Samuel, Zanetti, Cambiasso, Millito, Cesar, Forlan, Stankovic, so that could put him off. If they werent so bad this year it would have made perfect sense, as it is however they dont look like even getting into the Champions League, so doubt it’d happen.
City or Bayern seem most likely for me, or he stays I suppose.
Yeah good points. I would say with the city tis that if they don't get rid of the players they have now bar tevez I just don't think they'd have room for a player of van persie's quality. The team you put is good but I think they'd play it a handful of times at best, it's just too attacking and too narrow. I reckon they'll probably have trouble in the future anyway with dzeko and nasri likely to want to play more.
As for inter I thought sneijder and rvp didn't get on? Thought they had a tiff over a free kick or something. I suppose sneijder might not even be there next year so that's an option.
In terms of him holding back welbeck and hernanadez well he would reduce their game time but tbh I think in theory it could work out beautifully. Personally whilst I think welbeck has been very promising I think he's still raw and I don't think he's quite ready to lead the line for us just yet. There aren't many who come in at his age and become one of the main strikers. I think he needs some refining. I love Hernandez but I just don't think he has enough to his game to be our main striker. For some games he'll be brilliant but in others he'll get exposed.
The great thing about rvp is that he can lead the line superbly but also drop deep. So with Rooney they can be a lethal combo both able to swap roles and then he gives us a great option of Rooney is out as he can do his role two which is something we sorely miss without him. That way we have Rooney and rvp who can both drop and Hernandez and welbeck who can lead the line. Also the ages are quite good. By the time rvp should be coming out of his peak welbeck and Hernandez should be just hitting their peaks.
As I said I don't expect him to come but if he is considering leavin and open to a move to us I think we should go for him and I think we would have a genuine shot.
As for inter I thought sneijder and rvp didn't get on? Thought they had a tiff over a free kick or something. I suppose sneijder might not even be there next year so that's an option.
In terms of him holding back welbeck and hernanadez well he would reduce their game time but tbh I think in theory it could work out beautifully. Personally whilst I think welbeck has been very promising I think he's still raw and I don't think he's quite ready to lead the line for us just yet. There aren't many who come in at his age and become one of the main strikers. I think he needs some refining. I love Hernandez but I just don't think he has enough to his game to be our main striker. For some games he'll be brilliant but in others he'll get exposed.
The great thing about rvp is that he can lead the line superbly but also drop deep. So with Rooney they can be a lethal combo both able to swap roles and then he gives us a great option of Rooney is out as he can do his role two which is something we sorely miss without him. That way we have Rooney and rvp who can both drop and Hernandez and welbeck who can lead the line. Also the ages are quite good. By the time rvp should be coming out of his peak welbeck and Hernandez should be just hitting their peaks.
As I said I don't expect him to come but if he is considering leavin and open to a move to us I think we should go for him and I think we would have a genuine shot.
Van persie has said if he does leave arsenal it WONT be to another english team - just throwing that out there.
Yeah I thought as much. Still can always hope.
BBC Sport - Roberto Mancini keen on Arsenal star Robin van Persie
Seriously, they're interested in any good forwards, so not surprised. But would they really have Aguero, Dzeko, Balotelli, Tevez AND RVP?
That'd be just ridiculous.
edit- Also laugh out loud at this bit;
I think Van Persie at this moment is one of the best strikers in Europe with [Lionel] Messi, [Cristiano] Ronaldo, Sergio [Aguero] and Mario [Balotelli].
No Rooney then
That would surely be the final nail in the feeder club coffin?
Hart
Kompany-Lescott
Barry-Yaya
Silva
Balotelli Aguero Van Persie
Tevez
Dzeko
I'm sold
Kompany-Lescott
Barry-Yaya
Silva
Balotelli Aguero Van Persie
Tevez
Dzeko
I'm sold
nice of Mancini to compare Balotelli and Aguero with Messi and Ronaldo, they're good but to class them as the best in Europe?
Aguero you could argue... but Balotelli? Really? haha
I don't think RVP would go there anyway, even if he left Arsenal couldn't see him going to City tbh. Madrid or somewhere like that I'd guess.
I don't think RVP would go there anyway, even if he left Arsenal couldn't see him going to City tbh. Madrid or somewhere like that I'd guess.
Tbh, if he does decide to move, there arent many clubs that i see in the fight to get him. It'l be between the likes of Real, City, Chelsea i believe.
City have so many strikers, why would they need another one? Why would RVP go there?
I don't think RVP will go to city.
I don't think RVP will go to city.
He's better than anything they've got. Also, with the number of them they already have, 1 more is hardly going to make much of an issue. They could just ship out dzeko and even Tevez if they want and have 3 quality strikers.
Also, with a player of his quality available at a low price because of his contract situation, if he does become available, i'd expect more clubs than usual being interested.
He has said that he'd leave the country if he was to leave arsenal though, so lets hope he sticks to that. Him in that City lineup would be a scary proposition.
He is better than anything they've got right now, although at a new club I'm not sure he'd look significantly better than Aguero in truth. Regardless even then it means one of Van Persie, Aguero and Balotelli are going to be on the bench regularly, Dzeko can accept that because he's not one of the best around and wouldn't be first choice for many top clubs but the same can't be said for the others. They're all known to be supremely confident to put it lightly. Sticking them together in an attacking trio wouldn't be a completely outrageous idea normally, but not with Silva there.
Well, if he can keep his current form up and stays fit, i see no reason why he cant look as good as he does now. He has been comfortably the best striker in the league, dont really see that changing at a club like City specially with much better service to feed from.
Regarding how they'd fit in, i'd say RVP leading the line with Silva Aguero and Balotelli behind him with a core of 2 solid CMs i reckon in most games in the PL. When they come up against real quality opposition, they can just rotate between the 3 strikers.
Its never really a problem if you have too many good players. Not if the manager has it in him to handle them though which is where they might struggle.
When one of those strikers is Balotelli I'd say it very quickly becomes a problem, for any manager.
Manchester City’s interest in Robin Van Persie riles Arsene Wenger
Mancini could just argue he was answering a question...
Mancini could just argue he was answering a question...
Even Aguero doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Ronaldo and Messi, no one else comes close to them.
Thats true.. Am pretty sure they'l be in for him though.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure we never said he wouldn't sell to Man Utd in particular when it came to Nasri. In the past we have with Vieira but with Nasri I'm pretty sure it was whomever came with the highest bid and I do think Nasri was using Man Utd to get a better contract out of City.
By all accounts he was very close to signing for us, until City gave him some obscene money to sign. It doesn't make any sense for Arsenal to not to sell it to us and then sell the same player to City.
I don't think he really wanted to join your lot but was just using you as a bargaining chip to get what he could out of Man City.
And how the feck do you know this, are you his mate or something?
Do you really think United could offer him, or us for that matter, the same amount of money as City?
Because he categorically said he won't sell Nasri to us. What else was I supposed to infer from him saying that?
I don't merely think it, I know it. I remember United beating them to a certain Mr. Berbatov who was over priced as a result. If United hadn't been told they were never going to be sold the player they'd have fought for him. Of that I have little doubt. Nasri fits the profile of the type of player United would be willing to spend cash on.
He also said we wouldn't sell Nasri at all and wouldn't sell Fabregas, you shouldn't really always believe what Wenger says!
Manchester City strike agreement for Arsenal's Robin van Persie - The National
Duncan Castles again. Now that surely means bye bye Dzeko?
Duncan Castles again. Now that surely means bye bye Dzeko?
City are just leeches, they are as bad at tapping up players as Madrid or barca.
I expect him to go to City but even if Tevez leaves them, how can they afford to pay so much in wages with the FFP regulations?
If there are ways around that I am sure that they will be leading the way. Isn't that one of the reasons they changed the name of the ground so that they basically sponsor themselves a massive amount of money and can then declare it as money earned? or some bollox like that.
I don't think anyone is as bad as Barca when it comes to tapping up players. All big clubs do it to an extent, but they've developed a reputation in recent years for being the worst at it, especially when it came to Fabregas.
I agree with most of that Ash, but the team I put isn't anymore narrow than they usually play. All I've done is change Dzeko/Balotelli for Van Persie to play striker, and Balotelli for Nasri at left wing. They always line up in a narrow 4-2-3-1 with the fullbacks providing the width, so they wouldn't have too alter the formation to accomadate Van Persie. If anything it probably provides more width because Nasri drops deep a ridiculous amount, possibly because he's bereft of confidence, but he's regularly as deep as the two holding midfielders. Balotelli would be more likely to stick to his position I think.
In the big games they tend to go for Milner instead on of the 3 attacking midfielders, like against us when the won 6-1 they had Milner wide right. So in those games they might drop Balotelli and go with Van Persie with Silva, Aguero and Milner behind. But like I say I think that'd just be in the big games.
Yeah I agree that they're going to have some serious problems keeping that squad happy with the amount of competition for places. Tevez could still leave though and to be honest Dzeko's not that great so they aren't going to persist with him when they have the money to just bring someone better in.
I find it strange. If I were in van Persies shoes I wouldn't even consider going to city until they rid of some strikers - dzeko, tevez and adebayor probably. For a player of RVPs quality he is going to get well paid anywhere, and when you are already a multi millionaire how much does a few hundred grand more really make? Not just saying this as a united fan, but surely now in his prime years he would want to be playing week in week out, which wont happen at City.
much does a few hundred grand more really make????
a few hundred grand more ?? Van Persie is on 85 grand a week . City offers him 260 grand a week. lol
a few hundred grand more ?? Van Persie is on 85 grand a week . City offers him 260 grand a week. lol
Can I ask where you are getting those figures from?
There will be doubt be a wage difference between city and any other club, and I'm not advocating that he stay at arsenal, I'm sure he will have an ample amount of suitors should he not resign with the gunners, and can get a bloody good salary as well as being pretty much guaranteed first choice and for a team to be built around him, which he won't get at city, but will simply be one of many.
Anyway if he isn't sure, he can ask some of the other ex gunners how they have gotten on - adebayor, nasri, toure and clichy. Hardly a collection of success stories there.
There will be doubt be a wage difference between city and any other club, and I'm not advocating that he stay at arsenal, I'm sure he will have an ample amount of suitors should he not resign with the gunners, and can get a bloody good salary as well as being pretty much guaranteed first choice and for a team to be built around him, which he won't get at city, but will simply be one of many.
Anyway if he isn't sure, he can ask some of the other ex gunners how they have gotten on - adebayor, nasri, toure and clichy. Hardly a collection of success stories there.
Would be immensely depressing to see him go to City.
All this starts to come out with City still to go to the Emirates this season - brilliant
And not only that, if he went to city then he would have to play wide regularly because out of all of their strikers he'd be most suited to it. That's why I reckon if he is willing to go to anther English club that we go all out for him. I reckon the fact that we could say to him that he could be our number 9 and lead the line, and get paid very well if not as good as at city might just sway him.
And do what with welbeck? Reward him with a spot on the bench for being very good this season?
Also, unless we've suddenly discovered a gold mine and would be willing to spend close to 50mil this summer, we'd be well advised to focus on addressing the midfield issues before we aim to strengthen areas where we're already well stocked.
It would just highlight Arsenal's plight these last few seasons. But would be another financial coup for them. The problem Van Persie has is he may never recreate this form again, so would he be happy staying put or just leaving?
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