Welbeck is 21, van Persie is 29, by the time Welbeck is at his peak we'll either release van Persie or use him occasionally.
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But your Effenberg comparison was faulty in the same way, Chabon - Scholes was a known prodigy, a fantastic prospect known to fans who hadn't even watched reserve/youth games.
As is Welbeck to be fair. We're taking about a striker who has a great chance of becoming England regular in the next qualifiers and has performed very well for us this last season.
One thing footballers say is playing and training with great players makes you a better player.
Welbeck is still young and would still get regular game time. Hernandez is probably most effective from the bench anyway. Then Macheda and Keane will have a few years to mature while Van Persie is at the club. He's really a good age for filling the striking quality gap in the team while out younger players mature, in my opinion. Not to mention he's one of the best strikers around. The only issue for me is his injury record, we're cursed by injuries so I imagine as soon as we sign him he'll get an injury and never return from it.
Welbeck is still young and would still get regular game time. Hernandez is probably most effective from the bench anyway. Then Macheda and Keane will have a few years to mature while Van Persie is at the club. He's really a good age for filling the striking quality gap in the team while out younger players mature, in my opinion. Not to mention he's one of the best strikers around. The only issue for me is his injury record, we're cursed by injuries so I imagine as soon as we sign him he'll get an injury and never return from it.
If Welbeck leaves because he can't handle a challenge then he hasn't the mentality to be a Utd player.
Not to the same extent though - people were talking of Scholes as a 'young Cantona' even back then.
There is a bit of a difference between Scholes and Wellbeck though. Scholes was always considered top class and the only doubt about him was whether he would end up a striker or midfielder. Wellbeck is a decent prospect who will go on to have a good career but imo will never be top top class like Scholes.
Macheda will have 12 months to find a new club at best, he won't have a future at United. He's just a year younger than Welbeck and miles behind in development, absolute miles.
Paul Scholes wasn't a midfielder in 1995 so I doubt it would've made much difference. Nicky Butt may have suffered mind you.
If I'm brutally honest, I wouldn't want to be in a position where we're relying too much on Hernandez as a starter.
I'm as big a fan of Welbeck as there is, but I can't in my right mind say we should turn down the chance to sign one of the world's best because of him. He'd still get games and goals and would still be the long term solution up top (hard to believe Van Persie will be 29 soon). Wouldn't mind not being so worried when Rooney is out of the side, either...
I'd be more confused about Kagawa really, not sure how that'd work.
All a bit arbitrary though, doubt we'll get him.
I'd be more confused about Kagawa really, not sure how that'd work.
All a bit arbitrary though, doubt we'll get him.
Welbeck just went to a major international tournament and was first choice striker for one of the better teams at that tournament at the age of 21. The only reason he's not the most exciting CF of his age in Europe is because of that obscenely talented lunatic they have down the road. He is at least on a par with where Scholesy was at that age.
So the point stands, does anyone wish we'd signed a world class footballer to replace Scholes when he was on the cusp of greatness?
So your mantra is, we shouldn't sign players that will strengthen us as a team. Good to know.
If united get Van Persie from ARSENAL and don't win the league, then ferguson should be sacked. This isn't LIVERPOOL getting Carroll . It's united getting the best player in the league( formwise) last season.
This literally makes no sense whatsoever.
Returneth the spacker.
Fair enough opinion. I think Sir Alex has a lot of faith in him and will give him time like he did with Gibson. I could be massively wrong. Even so there are other promising young strikers we have on the books/ options to buy (looking particularly at Angelo Henriquez and the Desportivo Brasil link)
Absolutely nowhere near. Not a chance Wellbeck is on a par with where Scholes was at the same age. There is no way on earth Wellbeck would have got in to that United team. I know this is a Van Persie thread and I have nothing against Wellbeck but Scholes was light years ahead of Wellbeck.
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Henriquez will be mint, hopefully we'll use our option to buy him instead of fannying around before he joins Porto, Benfica or some other European side that will then sell him for £500m.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
Maybe you could answer the question I asked, seeing as you quoted it?
We havn't seriously made a bid for RVP have we? I don't think Wenger would sell his last remaining world class player to us.
Scholes would have been good enough to force his way into the team no matter who we signed.
Why do you think City are not going to get stronger? Plus Chelsea will get stronger. I am no massive fan of Taggart but to say he should be sacked is a bit silly.
There would be no excuse
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
Maybe you could answer the question I asked, seeing as you quoted it?
That is what you said yes. You said you don't want us to sign VP who will strengthen us as a team, in order to give a lad who isn't ready yet and needs to develop the number 1 spot, and you also would have liked to have done the same thing with our goalkeeper if applicaple after VDS retired. A position which everyone agreed we needed an experienced player who was already ready straight in.
That's pretty much not signing players that will make us stronger.
I don't know why you would want youngster who needs to develop in at number one every week over experienced player who is already at that level. It baffles me. I'd rather let Welbeck develop naturally, than put all the pressure on him to succeed immediately, because we haven't bought another player and thus rely on him to step up every week rather than continue to develop naturally.
Of course, Sir Alex should be shot out of a cannon into the Value Market if we fail to win everything this year.
In 1996? Was he feck 'light years' ahead of Welbeck. He wasn't even a first team regular yet, and didn't get an England cap until the Summer of 1997. As for Welbeck not getting in that time ahead of Cole, perhaps not, but he scored as many goals last season as Cole managed in that one.
As if you have any clear memories of mid-90s United anyway.
Yes we've made a bid...where have you been? :P
I will let your fellow rags ridicule you, but even as a City fan, I think your talking biscuits.
Why would i have no clear memories of the 1990's???
He's a Liverpool fan, Dave.
You keep mentioning England caps as if they mean much. Carrol and Henderson have England caps in a major tournament.
What I actually said was that if we'd had a young Mancunian keeper who had had as good a season as Welbeck has just had then I wouldn't have wanted us to sign De Gea. At this point it is apparent that you can't read, so I'm not interested in discussing things with you any more. Incidentally, had such a player existed, he would have been more experienced than De Gea was when we signed him, so, y'know, your point is utterly retarded.
Hes just on a wum then. No way on earth he can actually believe what he is saying.
Clear memories of how good an emerging Manchester United player was 17 years ago? If I claimed to know more about Paul Lake's career than you do I'm pretty sure you'd scoff.
Firstly, that's exactly what I said, see 'if applicable' also, if such a player existed he'd have more experience than De Gea who has played in a European cup final?
Yeah okay then.
I think you overrate Welbeck massively, and don't realise how far ahead of him VP is, and how much Welbeck would learn from VP which could be instrumental in his development and allow him to mature into a much better player than if we just thrust him into our number 1 spot every week when he isn't ready to be there yet.
I've got mixed feelings about this. On one hand, van Persie is a fantastic player and one of the best strikers in world football.
On the other hand, I think we need players in other areas much more than up front. Rooney/Kagawa/Hernandez/Welbeck is a fearsome attacking quartet. Van Persie would obviously improve us, but I think a left back or a midfielder is a more pressing matter.
Adding to that - Welbeck will need games if he is to become the player I think he will be, he'll need regular games. Also, I'm not convinced leaving Robin van Persie to our physio team is such a good idea. He would probably explode if he was to find himself somewhere remotely close to any of our physios.
On the other hand, I think we need players in other areas much more than up front. Rooney/Kagawa/Hernandez/Welbeck is a fearsome attacking quartet. Van Persie would obviously improve us, but I think a left back or a midfielder is a more pressing matter.
Adding to that - Welbeck will need games if he is to become the player I think he will be, he'll need regular games. Also, I'm not convinced leaving Robin van Persie to our physio team is such a good idea. He would probably explode if he was to find himself somewhere remotely close to any of our physios.
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