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kelvinkato77 said:
That's my opinion though. However, the point is that: How could you say that RVP isn't one of the ten best strikers in the world when he was arguably the best striker, in the most competitive league in the world last year?
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Okay, i wasn't arguing that he wasn't or that RVP doesn't have a better game than any of those strikers. I was responding to Raouls statement purely on stats.

ghaliboy said:
First rule in Stats to back up your argument. Never take them from Wiki.
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Not really...they're normally right in my experience anyway, sometimes 1 or 2 goals wrong either side but nothing substantial. Besides, it's the easiest option to look for stats like goals/appearances.
 
£25m (reported) for RVP isn't silly money in terms of a valuation.

It's peanuts for the likes of Chelsea and City and that's what determines a player's valuation these days.

Based on recent policy it would be silly money for United though - I'd be amazed if we were prepared to risk that much on a player of that age with a history of injury when there's other areas more in need of improving.

We'll fish for a bargain on the off chance then walk away.
 
Interesting.

End of May, someone on another United forum I have read for about a decade posted that a reliable source had told him we had agreed terms in principle with RVP and it was upto Arsenal to agree a deal. According to that poster, Arsenal wanted nothing to do with City and would prefer to sell abroad. Nothing on their willingness to do business with United.

He was greeted with the normal ITK bollocks posts which in fairness to him is not in his character,

Today Fergie has said we are after and in for him. Striker is about the last position I think we need to strengthen but there is no doubt RVP and Rooney would give us the strongest attack in terms of star quality since Ronaldo and Tevez left.

A player of RVP's quality would improve us whether anyone feels a striker is a priority or not. He's top class and there are a limited number of top class players both around and available. Only risk is the injuries.
 
Can't help but get the impression Fergie's after a superstar. Kagawa, Hazard, Lucas, Van Persie...really looks like he's trying to reintroduce a bit more magic/flair into the team. Perhaps he's looked at Rooney and thought he's not as explosive as he once was, and that for one reason or another Nani hasn't quite (although he's still been excellent) started to turn in consistently dazzling performances, and has decided that we need more unpredictability.

I think it'd be a strange signing in a way and potentially detrimental to players like Welbeck, but that's not to say I'd be disappointed if we signed him! Christ, a front 3 of Nani, Van Persie and Rooney would be so dangerous, and we're absolutely laughing with someone like Kagawa playing behind them.
 
KingEric7 said:
Can't help but get the impression Fergie's after a superstar. Kagawa, Hazard, Lucas, Van Persie...really looks like he's trying to reintroduce a bit more magic/flair into the team. Perhaps he's looked at Rooney and thought he's not as explosive as he once was, and that for one reason or another Nani hasn't quite (although he's still been excellent) started to turn in consistently dazzling performances, and has decided that we need more unpredictability.

I think it'd be a strange signing in a way and potentially detrimental to players like Welbeck, but that's not to say I'd be disappointed if we signed him! Christ, a front 3 of Nani, Van Persie and Rooney would be so dangerous, and we're absolutely laughing with someone like Kagawa playing behind them.
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I can't disagree with that. It does mean though that we would need two ball winners in midfield. Carrick + Anderson? If you imagine:

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---------carrick------anderson---
----------------kagawa---------

-nani-------rooney---------van persie

That would be a lot of fun to watch. They may be a little light in midfield, but still would be amazing. That would also leave us with a really stacked bench of : welbeck, chicharito, valencia, cleverly, scholes, giggs and potentially fletcher. No weak spots anywhere really as long as anderson can be consistently good. Another option would be to replace anderson with scholes, but that might leave us light in terms of protection for the defense.
 
Why would you want RVP on the wing? At least Rooney has had experience playing there. I would at least push Kagawa to the left, Rooney back and RVP play up top. He is such a clinical finisher.
 
You'd have to play Rooney, RVP and someone like we used to play with Tevez and Ronaldo. I think that we'd get a lot more use out of him as one of two main focal points rather than the main man with all hopes and dreams resting on him. I think as someone who's known as injury prone would enjoy not having to start every game and have his game be under the microscope every minute.

I think if he can spark up a good working partnership with Rooney they could be devastating. I'd have no problems playing Shinji as an AM/IF from the left or even the right.
 
talking robot said:
I can't disagree with that. It does mean though that we would need two ball winners in midfield. Carrick + Anderson? If you imagine:

--------------defense-------------

---------carrick------anderson---
----------------kagawa---------

-nani-------rooney---------van persie

That would be a lot of fun to watch. They may be a little light in midfield, but still would be amazing. That would also leave us with a really stacked bench of : welbeck, chicharito, valencia, cleverly, scholes, giggs and potentially fletcher. No weak spots anywhere really as long as anderson can be consistently good. Another option would be to replace anderson with scholes, but that might leave us light in terms of protection for the defense.
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Reckon Scholes and Carrick would do the job with Kagawa as the advanced midfielder. Anderson and Kagawa going through the middle with their dribbling would cause all sorts of problems for the opposition, though. Both capable of playing the killer pass, too.

The Anderson situation is so annoying! An on form Anderson would pretty much complete that line up.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
He will go for a price similar to Nasri's and most likely more. Considering we paid 18 million for Young in a similar contract situation the 12 million being reported must be bullshit.
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Well according to the media we offered 27m for a player whose club had refused a 40m bid from Chelsea. I hope that I am wrong on this but we've seem multiple times how this story ends don't we?
 
According to five live we put in a bid of 10mil. I don't think SAF was expecting arse to name the teams involved.
 
£10m will not even come close to cutting it unless RVP voices his opinion saying he would not go anywhere else but United. Then we have the upper hand in the deal. But I am seriously not at all worried if he comes here or not. If its between RVP and Lucas, I would much rather have the latter and build the team around the youngsters we have. Plus we don't have to worry about his big wages. I have full confidence in both Chicharito and Welbeck to produce for us next season.
 
Arsenal dont have the strongest negotiating position here, but they arent that weak.
They'd rather keep the player and pay him his ~4m in wages than let him leave on the cheap.
A total loss of ~15m, but a top striker for another season and fecking Van Persie's chances of a huge last pay package.

He turns 30 before next season starts.. and he might get injured at some stage during the current season. Either way, his stock wont be higher than it is now. He will not command the wages he can at the moment.
Arsenal can hold van persie by his tiny balls if they want to.

10m wont get van Persie, certainly not for another english side.
 
sdb4884 said:
£12.5 million is a disgraceful bid from us. No way would they take that.
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It's more than either City or Juve have bid for him apparently.

Would be a bit of a strange signing imo, especially when we seem to be going another transfer window without addressing the midfield.
 
Do you people not understand how the transfer market works? You never ever go in with the top bid or what you expect them to take. You always start low and work your way up. £12.5 is a decent opening bid considering we are talking about a 29 year old injury prone player whose contract is up shortly in the future and that arsenal are at risk of losing on a free.
 
So, what we've established in the last few pages is that RvP may or may not be better than a handful of the World's best strikers, who would all cost A LOT more than RvP. Great.

sdb4884 said:
£12.5 million is a disgraceful bid from us. No way would they take that.
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They weren't meant to, it's a starting bid. There's a rule in negotiation that you don't offer asking price first time...
 
I've heard a conspiracy theory that this is just the clubs' way of getting the fans to renew their season tickets, they're not really interested in the players being bid for. I mocked the person in question but it stuck in my mind, so I'm throwing it open to the floor.
 
Maajid said:
I've heard a conspiracy theory that this is just the clubs' way of getting the fans to renew their season tickets, they're not really interested in the players being bid for. I mocked the person in question but it stuck in my mind, so I'm throwing it open to the floor.
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Sweet mother of God :lol:

Dont let it stick in your mind, that is utter shite from the person who said that to you.
 
Maajid said:
I've heard a conspiracy theory that this is just the clubs' way of getting the fans to renew their season tickets, they're not really interested in the players being bid for. I mocked the person in question but it stuck in my mind, so I'm throwing it open to the floor.
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Who the hell said that?
 
:lol: and what happens if they do decide to accept these fake bids?

Gill: "oh feck, they want the 30million?! Just delay the bid for a week and hope they cancel it."

I think RVP will be a brilliant signing. There those games every season where we just pass the ball to Rooney every time we have it in the hope he will do something amazing yet he can't even control it. Having another brilliant player will only help.
 
Erentz said:
It's more than either City or Juve have bid for him apparently.

Would be a bit of a strange signing imo, especially when we seem to be going another transfer window without addressing the midfield.
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Yeah it is strange, we haven't done business with Arsenal for a long time. I know we gave them Silvestre but that doesn't really count. Midfield should come first of course but it looks like we have another season of Michael Carrick being the closest thing we have to a defensive mid.
 
Maajid said:
I've heard a conspiracy theory that this is just the clubs' way of getting the fans to renew their season tickets, they're not really interested in the players being bid for. I mocked the person in question but it stuck in my mind, so I'm throwing it open to the floor.
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Wouldn't go as far as that.But if we were serious about getting him , why put in a bid lower than our competitors.Unless RVP as decided to join us.
 
Juventus plan Robin van Persie and Luis Suarez bid

By Ben Smith
BBC Sport

Juventus have told Robin van Persie they want to pair him with Liverpool's Luis Suarez, as they bid to lure him to Italy in the face of strong interest from Manchester United and City. The Serie A champions have had an initial enquiry rebuffed by Arsenal, who also dismissed an opening formal bid from United out of hand on Friday.

Manchester City, meanwhile, have asked to be kept informed of the situation. United's bid is believed to be around £10m, £15m below Arsenal's valuation.

The Gunners' 28-year-old captain has a year left on his contract with all three interested clubs offering lucrative financial packages, more than doubling Van Persie's current wage. Van Persie scored 41 goals in 53 games for club and country last season and was named Professional Footballers' Association and Football Writers' player of the year. Arsenal had been hoping the Dutchman would sign a new deal this summer but he shocked them last month by announcing he would not extend his contract, saying he disagreed with the way the club should move forward.

Juventus sporting director Giuseppe Marotta and president Andrea Agnelli are aware the Dutchman is not, however, motivated simply by money and - as well as offering a package worth £190,000 a week - believe it is the possibility of playing alongside Suarez that could sway his thinking. If Juventus can secure a deal for Van Persie they will turn their attentions to Suarez and intend to raise the necessary funds by selling striker Alessandro Matri to AC Milan.

Liverpool will take a dim view of Juventus's interest in Suarez and have no intention of allowing their prized Uruguayan forward to leave the club. Suarez is under contract at Anfield until 2016 - but the Reds are keen to tie him down to an even longer deal. The 25-year-old has scored 15 goals since joining Liverpool in January 2011, but was also banned for eight matches after being found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra in December of that year. Manager Brendan Rodgers has held preliminary talks with the player as negotiations continue over a new contract. However, Juventus believe a bid of around £28m may tempt Liverpool to negotiate.

Such is the strength of Juventus's interest in Suarez that they are likely to make an offer for the 25-year-old whatever Van Persie decides to do. Privately there is a growing confidence at Juventus that both players will move to Turin this summer.

On Friday, Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed the club has made a bid for Van Persie. "There are other clubs interested in the player," Ferguson told MUTV. "We've shown an interest and that's where we're at at the moment."

The Gunners are about to embark on a three-match tour of Asia, but Van Persie will remain in London to work on his fitness.
 
sdb4884 said:
Yeah it is strange, we haven't done business with Arsenal for a long time. I know we gave them Silvestre but that doesn't really count. Midfield should come first of course but it looks like we have another season of Michael Carrick being the closest thing we have to a defensive mid.
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Hopefully they don't still hold that against us...
 
prateik said:
Arsenal dont have the strongest negotiating position here, but they arent that weak.
They'd rather keep the player and pay him his ~4m in wages than let him leave on the cheap.
A total loss of ~15m, but a top striker for another season and fecking Van Persie's chances of a huge last pay package.

He turns 30 before next season starts.. and he might get injured at some stage during the current season. Either way, his stock wont be higher than it is now. He will not command the wages he can at the moment.
Arsenal can hold van persie by his tiny balls if they want to.

10m wont get van Persie, certainly not for another english side.
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One year older and £20M cheaper. I'd say he'd command higher wages, not lower.

I can't imagine Arsenal selling him for much less than £20M though. The quoted bids are a joke.
 
I've got something of a conspiracy theory. Maybe we've bid for Van Persie because we want to sign him. Crazy, I know.
 
Would prefer it if we didn't pull out all the stops to get him and used the money on other targets (Modric, Moutinho, whoever else is lined up).

a) He's prone to breaking down with injury at any point - 38 league games last season shouldn't disguise the fact that he averages just over games in the league per season over the rest of his Arsenal career.

b) He's nearly 30 - which isn't to say he would lack quality if we bought him next season, but that it's hardly a long term move.

c) Wages - not every move we make in the transfer market has to be a long term move, but the fact that he'll probably demand to be amongst our top earners would put me off.

d) It's not a position we lack for in terms of quality players - Welbeck and Hernandez shared the position last season with Rooney behind, but the purchase of Kagawa suggests to me that Rooney will be played up top more often this season.

e) It would push Kagawa out of position - Rooney isn't going to be dropped. Getting RVP would mean that Rooney is played in the hole (as with last season) and Kagawa plays on the left.
 
newtonheathdave said:
Just seems a lot of pussy footing abou,t especially with us and Juventus interested.
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Are Utd pussy footing about any more than those clubs? They've put a bid in for a player. Surely no other club in the world would be treated with such suspicion over bidding for a player.
 
acnumber9 said:
I've got something of a conspiracy theory. Maybe we've bid for Van Persie because we want to sign him. Crazy, I know.
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Nah thats bull, we never sign top quality players…we just pretend to do so people will come and pack out OT. We've been doing that for many years did you not know?

However, i do accept there will be a lot of conspiracies out there, such selling ST's, PR on behalf the glazers, smokescreens for real targets, shitters up welbeck to sign etc, however i do believe that SAF knows he only has a couple of more years & wants to go out with a bang & afterall its not his dads money that will be spent on these players…its ours!
 
red thru&thru said:
Nah thats bull, we never sign top quality players…we just pretend to do so people will come and pack out OT. We've been doing that for many years did you not know?

However, i do accept there will be a lot of conspiracies out there, such selling ST's, PR on behalf the glazers, smokescreens for real targets, shitters up welbeck to sign etc, however i do believe that SAF knows he only has a couple of more years & wants to go out with a bang & afterall its not his dads money that will be spent on these players…its ours!
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It's people who can't accept that United aren't in the shit anywhere near as much as they think. Pride probably has a lot to do it, after banging on the best part of a decade about how we haven't got a pot to piss in, when our transfer policy really hasn't deviated much post-Glazers. Yes, we've lost money and yes, the debt isn't a good thing, but we're such a financial behemoth that we can pretty comfortably compete. Does that mean we're going to hand out quarter of a million a week contracts willy-nilly? No, but then we were never going to anyway. We're run as a business and don't have the underwriter of a sheikh who wants to catch up in a few years what we've developed over the last 40.
 
Reckon 17m would do it

If he hels us win the league back it would be worth it, best striker in the league

Come on Robin, team up with Rooney or Suarez?
 
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