If you're referring to the Toure, Clichy and Adebayor deals, I'm happy with how those turned out.
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If you're referring to the Toure, Clichy and Adebayor deals, I'm happy with how those turned out.
Ibra has a case for being the best #9 out there right now, true. But Ibra is not the topic here. RvP doesn't have anything on Benzema, who is the most complete #9 out there currently and he's certainly not a level above Higuain either. When you have 24 year old Higuain with the best goal per minute ratio in the world scoring 22 goals with limited game time, sharing minutes with Ronaldo and Benzema, why would you replace him with 29 year old RvP? You wouldn't. Real Madrid wouldn't. Mourinho wouldn't.
Oh, and Agüero is also better than RvP.
higgers is a goal monster. look how consistent he is in the league, before you even take into consideration he's 4 years younger
... apart from being a better finisher and a more complete footballer.
I said Fergie would be in for him all along.
We're getting him
BELIEVE!!
We're getting him
BELIEVE!!
Baffling decision from the manager. Still doubt we'll get him though.
RVP is insanely good and bette than Benzema
I'm sure you are. Doesn't change the fact your club wanted to keep them.
RvP and Ibra are best right now. He's certainly a better finisher than Benzema or any of the Argies. 37 goals with dodgy service speaks for itself.
I think Fergie openly confirming the bid might suggest he is quite confident that RVP is interested in coming...
That's bollocks. But by the time Benzema is in his prime, as Van Persie is, he'll be regarded much higher.
Or he could be regarded as another Patrick Kluivert who peaked early and never regained his form.
Higuain imo is a rich man's Hernandez, great goalscorer. His overall game isn't limited as such (which is why I'm calling him rich man's) but it's miles below RVP's.
Benzema? I doubt it, he's getting better and better. If Fergie had the option I reckon he'd take Benzema any day of the week. Why aren't Madrid in for RVP if he's that much better? Its because he isn't, and the fact he might be signing for us doesn't change that for me.
Because they already have two top strikers and another player who happens to score many more goals than either of them ? Different clubs have different needs.
Benzema is 24, nowhere near his peak yet and has already scored 26 goals in the Champions League. RvP is 29 and has scored 18. Despite Benzema playing for Lyon until 2009 as well.
RvP looked much better than he actually is last season. It's called the "Adebayor effect". As an Arse you should be familiar with that actually. Every single Arsenal attack went through him last season due to the lack of other quality options upfront. Benzema doesn't have that luxury. He's not the focal point in attack. He's sharing game time and goals with Ronaldo and Higuain and yet he delivered 32 goals in all competitions. RvP scored 37 (including penalties, which Benzema doesn't take). RvP took 174 shots last season. Benzema took 100. So much for "better finisher". Should also keep in mind that RvP probably played his best ever season at the peak of his career while Benzema just turned 24.
Benzema's linkup play, playmaking, dribbling and holdup play is second to none right now. As I said, he's the most complete #9 in the world. Not blaming anyone who's watching SKY Sports week in week out and only some odd La Liga games here and there for thinking otherwise though.
Higuain scored 27 goals in 32 games in 2009 / 2010 when he was just 22. So let's not start with that either. Most clinical striker in the world.
On the plus side for you: Giroud will score 20+ goals and make up for RvP's departure next season. Arsene Wenger style. That's how he rolls.
Wait hold up...there's actually legs to these rumours?
Meh, who needs a midfield anyway, game of attrition I say.
Meh, who needs a midfield anyway, game of attrition I say.
That's rather weak logic given that Van Persie started as a winger and Benzema benefited from being a youngster whose side were in Europe every year because he happened to be on a team who won the French league year in and out. So those stats are skewed because of position.
Apparently so. Suddenly there are all sorts of strikers who are better than RvP emerging out of the woodworks.
He's not available for up to 20m pounds.
KingMinger being positive? We really must be getting him!!
Only kidding mate. Good to see you actually happy/excited about something related to the club though
They aren't skewed. RvP spent as much time in the centre in his career as Benzema did and Arsenal made it into Europe year in year out as well under Arsene Wenger. RvP's best CL record for a season are a mere 5 goals in 2008 / 2009. That's what Benzema could reach as a 21 year old kid at Lyon.
The main point here was though: Would Real Madrid trade any of their strikers for RvP? No, they wouldn't. If RvP was as highly rated as people here think ("best striker in the world") Real Madrid would surely not hesitate to get him, especially since he wants out and has 1 year left on his contract. It would be a bargain. Yet they show no interest. They DID try to get Agüero though last season. Only Atletico prevented that deal, asking for € 70 million.
Rooney, Villa, Ibrahimovic, Agüero, Tevez, Benzema, Higuain, Eto'o, Gomez, Cavani. I've just named you 10 strikers who have been as good as RvP or even better in recent years. It's rather RvP who all of a sudden is the best thing since sliced bread rather than other strikers emerging out of nowhere.
You don't know whether Madrid would trade either for him or not. There may be some interest for all we know, just as Man United - the worlds biggest club who already have very good strikers, and Man City who arguably have the best striker quartet on the planet, are interested. Mourinho may simply have a different long term plan to address other positions. The broader point here is that RvP isn't any less of a world class striker if every single big club aren't publicly after him.
In recent years means nothing here. Last year does, during which only Ibra can match RvP's effectiveness. His stats speak for themselves.
Dang, and at the United - Arsenal match I called him a rapist... What do I do now ?
Kingminger being positive? We really must be getting him!!
only kidding mate. Good to see you actually happy/excited about something related to the club though
=)Manchester United show interest in him because Manchester United have only 1 striker who can produce 20+ goals in a season and that striker has a habit of going 8 consecutive games without scoring sometimes -- as happened last season and the season before. Real Madrid have 2 very young strikers who both score 20+ goals + Ronaldo. So it's understandable that Manchester United show interest in RvP and Real Madrid don't. Mourinho stating: "My 2 strikers for next season are Benzema and Higuain", should be clear enough as well.
Except that all of United's strikers are capable of 20+. Berba has won the golden boot, Hernandez knocked in 20 after his first season after arriving from Mexico, and Welbeck is capable of the same. Mourinho may well have other priorities than Fergie, which has nothing to do with RvP's skills.
Talking by stats last year.
Rooney - 35 in 44. 0.79 goals a game.
Ibra - 35 in 44. 0.79 goals a game.
Villa - 9 in 24. 0.38 goals a game.
Aguero -30 in 48. 0.63 goals a game.
Benzema 32 in 52. 062 goals a game.
Tevez - 4 in 14. 0.29 goals a game.
Higuain -26 in 54. 0.48 goals a game.
Eto'o - 8 in 17. 0.47 goals a game.
Gomez - 41 in 52. 0.79 goals a game.
Cavani - 33 in 47. 0.7 goals a game.
RVP - 37 in 48. 0.77 goals a game.
Taken from Wiki so some of those appearances may be subs. It's closer than you are making out just by stats. Ibra and RVP aren't running away from some of these strikers Homeo named.
His numbers are distinctly good given the we was working with a midfield without Fabregas and Wilshire. He's also a better finisher than anyone else on the list.
Apparently he's looked at houses in Alderley Edge. This is a complete and utter rumour though, I've got no personal knowledge on this one.
Don't see why we need him to be honest, he'll improve us but at what cost (financially and developmentally)?
Don't see why we need him to be honest, he'll improve us but at what cost (financially and developmentally)?
Why does it matter that Fabregas and Wilshere weren't there? You're stretching a bit now. Somebody had to give Van Persie the ball for all his goals that he did score, so this discussion is pointless. Besides, Song and Arteta put some great passes in for Van Persie.
I wasn't replying to that, you stated that nobody but Ibra matched his effectiveness/stats when Cavani, Gomez and Rooney were fairly close/surpassing him in that aspect.
It's on!
It's relevant because they're both top midfielders. Add them into he mix and RvP is knocking on 45+ goals.
It's pretty obvious that some of the strikers on the list have had better service than RvP (in fact all bar Eto'o probably). Of course that matters. If RvP had the support the Bayern, Real or City strikers had then there is a pretty decent chance he had scored more.
Yeah fair enough, although RvP's finishing is still better or me.
First, RVP is better than Benzema, IMO. He has much more to his game. Eto'o plays in Dubai, or something. Gomez is a statue who offers less than Drogba. And even at this stage of his career, Drogba is a better at football. Tevez is a petulant prick as well as over-rated. RVP can lead he line in say.. a 4-3-3. Tevez cannot.
Higuain is talented, but for me falls in the same category (though slightly better) as Huntelaar. Better all around game, but not the all around game that RVP provides.
Villa - old. Injured. Short. Great poacher of goals, but in my opinion - past it. Still great though, in the right 'system'.
Ibra - Berbatov. Would slow down play. He needs a squad built around him.
Aguero - 'false 9' - best position.
No arguments with Cavani.
That's my opinion though. However, the point is that: How could you say that RVP isn't one of the ten best strikers in the world when he was arguably the best striker, in the most competitive league in the world last year?
Didn't some ex-cricketer tweet this a couple of days ago?
First rule in Stats to back up your argument. Never take them from Wiki.
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