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What's the point of you being on this forum? You don't like people giving their on the club, so why are you here?
I'm not really involved in this but I was just wondering do I have your approval to be on the forum? It matters a lot like.
Why has this thread become mental?
Kind of missed my point. He seems not to like people giving their opinions, which is the whole point of this place surely.
So if he doesn't like it, seems weird that he comes on.
You're telling people who have a different view they're wrong as if you have the insider scoop on what Fergie is planning . You don't. I don't think I can spell that out any further.
All of those are true. But on the other hand, he's a fecking excellent player.
To be fair Theon, you've not so much gave an opinion but stated something you can't really know for sure as fact, and dismissed the opinion of anyone who doesn't agree. For all we know Fergie could have signed Kagawa as a central midfielder. We've no idea what his plans for him are, or whether playing him will mean only playing one striker. He's played 2 minutes for us to date, nothing is clear yet.
If Fergie sees Kagawa as a midfielder then signing another forward player isn't beyond the realms of possibility, especially if Berbatov goes and Macheda goes on loan, which is likely. We were interested in Hazard while signing Kagawa, and appear to be interested in Lucas Moura, both attacking players, so perhaps Fergie's plan for Kagawa isn't as obvious as it looks. Yes, he plays off a front man, and has played there predominantly for Dortmund, but that doesn't mean that's where Fergie will use him. Anderson wasn't a central midfielder until he came to United.
No one gives a feck.
About any of it. Stop talking about it, both of you.
About any of it. Stop talking about it, both of you.
Alright well I'm not really arsed either way, anyone who has seen him knows he plays off the striker. So barring a complete change of position you'd expect that's where he'll play. I'm certainly not the only one who thinks that he isn't a central midfielder.
This thread wasn't even about Kagawa anyway, but how Van Persie would impact Welbeck getting games. The only time I laughed was when Liam posted up his predicted number of games, and they were added up wrong. Also, it's hardly as if I just came in and started telling people they were wrong without backing anything up, everything I said was backed up with stats etc. So I don't see the problem.
I'll try and be a little bit more sensitive next time though, so noone gets upset.
I edited the laughed to dismissed, because you didn't laugh, you were just dismissive of anyone who didn't agree.
I'm not having a go, just pointing out that you came across as knowing for a fact Kagawa would be used behind a front man and so when he played we'd only play with one striker. We've no idea whether that will be the case or not. Kagawa could be used in the same team as BOTH RVP/Lucas Moura/new forward and Rooney. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play some matches in a midfield two, meaning there would be extra games for the other strikers.
Theon your opinion is wrong about Van Persie.
True but he wasn't as established an attacking midfielder as kagawa is. I mean he was poty in an excellent league in his position. Sure there's a possibility that he has been signed to play centre mid at which point you would question why and how the likes of clev ando scholes and giggs will get enough time if fit. Our interest in Lucas seems genuine and personally I think that would be an issue in terms of playing time but at the same time at least he has a more natural talent to play from a wide area, like ronaldo for his first few years. Rvp on the other hand would surely only come in to play up top with Rooney, maybe he might play wide if we completely change the system but it's unlikelyzz
Anyway as much I'd like rvp without at least one leaving I just don't see the need. We didn't score that maybe less goals that city and You'd expect welbeck and Hernandez to get more this season, we did however leak goals, some of that will be helped by defenders staying fit, but some of it is due to a lack of fletcher so I'd prefer the money is invested in a midfielder. If we could sign both then great, be interesting to see.
We don't need Van Persie. But when special players, e.g. Rooney, become available, Ferguson does sometimes buy them anyway. That would be the reason why he might be interested in RVP.
Rooney was 10 years younger.
Where's Gold Trafford when you need him!?
True, it would have made a lot of sense had we not gone in for kagawa but as he have it would just seem odd. I mean we've known rvp is going to be out of contract soon, I highly doubt if we've been interested there hasn't been any contact with his agent or anything etc. but like I said having signed kagawa it would just seem odd for us to also spend 20 plus million on another striker.
Kawanga isn't a striker.
Who is Kawanga?
No but his natural position is one which would force us to typically use one other striker. So signing him and the signing another world class striker doesn't make sense to me.
The little Japanese lad we've signed to replace Park.
Is he incapable of playing behind two strikers? He doesn't sound very flexible if that's the case.
I don't think if you are playing two strikers, you would also have an attacking mid in behind them. You would be playing a 4-4-2 with two central midfielders. Plus he is versatile. He can play on the wings.
Maybe he is but then you would be changing his role in the team completely and his impact. Would he want to do that? Look at city, when they have injuries or easier games they dont put nasri or silva in a midfield 2. Certainly with their attacking quality it would make sense to drop Barry for one of them if they could still play and contribute to the same extent? When villa is fit for Spain do they drop alonso/busquets and put silva in the middle? Or barca play with iniesta and xavi as a pair, or even iniesta and busquets?
Playing centre mid, particularly in our system where we're often outnumbered in the middle is tough. Asking someone who's established themselves in one position to change there game completely would seem odd to me. Maybe he'a willing to do that, I'd be suprised though. Either way judging from our problems in recent years adding another player who doesn't really know how to play centre mid is t gonna help us. We had a much bigger problem with conceding goals than we did with scoring them last season and a lot of that can be attributed to the midfield.
Like I said I'd like rvp, quality player, with the signings we've made it doesn't make much sense, not without departures. And truth be told id rather what money we have get spent on the midfield. We don't know if kagawa can play in the middle but we do know he can play attacking mid. If there's money for both then as with Lucas I won't complain even of I don't see the point.
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Mogambo hasn't been signed to replace Park. And I don't think we can rule out Jumanji playing in center midfield.
Shit sorry.
Fergies going to play him at left back isn't he..? 
To be fair Fergie has a history of trying to shoehorn attacking players into a central midfield role. Recent examples include Anderson, Rooney, Giggs, Park and before that Scholes, Beckham etc.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Kagawa next to Carrick with 2 strikers in front a fair few times this season.
Poor Carrick
I'd Imagine we could be a bit more flexible, formation isn't just lines and dots.
I could see it in some games but it really depends on Kagawa and how willing he is to play there. Scholes was always suited to that sort of area and in all honesty when he moved more deeper it was an easier transition because the majority of teams we played, played 442. Today the majority of teams play 451 which makes it hard enough for teams when they play in a 442 like us, and it makes it even tough/riskier when one of those midfielders doesn't really know how to play there. We've seen the issues with this when the likes of ando, park etc have played there. Park has really only played there due to injuries and found very unsuited to it.
Beckham and Giggs were two very hard working players who have always been happy to track back and get stuck in. I'm not saying Kagawa is lazy or anthing, i've not seen enough of him to judge that, but if he's not as hardworking then it could lead to issues. Not to mention Beckham's game naturally suited that role, although he obv played there more as required. Giggs has had to adapt his game there to continue on and we've seen issues with him due to his more risky approach and lax tracking at times. Which is my point really. Kagawa is someone with his best years ahead of him and someone who has established himself as an attacking mid. Would he want to change his game? We saw with sneijder last year that he wasn't keen on moving deeper because it would change his impact on the game and it might be similar here. Our midfield has been exposed a fair bit in recent years because we've tried to convert a fair few not natural cm's in to midfielders. Sometimes it works fine, other times we get fairly lucky.
Either way though as you said you could see him playing there occassionally, so could I. In some games I'm sure we could get away with it. But in the majority I doubt we could and that;s where you'd have to make the choice. If RVP came he and Rooney would be first choice and if fit you'd expect them to play more often then not as they're clearly well ahead of the other attackers in the squad. That means Kagawa, Welbeck and Hernandez in general would be competing for only a few games really, and with them all at stages where they should be playing regularly I doubt they'd be too happy about that.
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Nani -----------------------------------Valencia
-----------Kagawa----------Moura--------------
--------------------Carrick---------------------
Evra--------------------------------------Rafael
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*Who cares about defending anyway?
**Can't remember which thread this is. Just general muppetry. Should RVP be in there somewhere? If so, drop Ferdinand and put Robin up front with Rooney.
Nani -----------------------------------Valencia
-----------Kagawa----------Moura--------------
--------------------Carrick---------------------
Evra--------------------------------------Rafael
-------------Ferdinand-------Vidic---------------
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*Who cares about defending anyway?
**Can't remember which thread this is. Just general muppetry. Should RVP be in there somewhere? If so, drop Ferdinand and put Robin up front with Rooney.
I remember that guy, was he ever found out to be a WUM, or did he actually have some sort of inside knowledge?
In regards to Van Persie, quite simply, if he is available and willing to come here then go for it. He is absolutely world class on his day. Saying that, I wouldn't be too disappointed if we didn't get him, as long as he didn't end up with one of our Premier League rivals.
Yes, we are so going to play the diamond formation.
ARSENAL have no intention of flogging captain Robin van Persie to bitter rivals Manchester United.
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The Dutch international has told Gunners boss Arsene Wenger he wants his future sorted out before Saturday, when the squad are due to fly out to Malaysia for the club’s summer tour.
Arsenal value their top scorer from last season at £30million — a price way above what United are prepared to pay.
But Wenger is also reluctant to sell his prized asset to the club which have been his main title rivals during his 16 years in charge of the Gunners.
That would leave the door open for Manchester City, who would have no problem matching that fee and who now appear to be favourites for the Dutchman’s signature after Juventus turned their attentions elsewhere.
The Italian giants are now tracking Fiorentina forward Stevan Jovetic who would be available for a fee in the region of £23million.
The 22-year-old could be snapped up on wages of around £45,000 a week whereas Van Persie turned down £130,000 a week to stay at Arsenal.
But they'll probably sell to City again... Seriously Arsenal, your not our rivals ANYMORE>
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Arsenal value their top scorer from last season at £30million — a price way above what United are prepared to pay.
But Wenger is also reluctant to sell his prized asset to the club which have been his main title rivals during his 16 years in charge of the Gunners.
That would leave the door open for Manchester City, who would have no problem matching that fee and who now appear to be favourites for the Dutchman’s signature after Juventus turned their attentions elsewhere.
The Italian giants are now tracking Fiorentina forward Stevan Jovetic who would be available for a fee in the region of £23million.
The 22-year-old could be snapped up on wages of around £45,000 a week whereas Van Persie turned down £130,000 a week to stay at Arsenal.
But they'll probably sell to City again... Seriously Arsenal, your not our rivals ANYMORE>
That's being generous.
No, that's being fecking deluded.
RVP is one of, if not the, best players in the league.
Everyone on here would shit there pants of we signed him.
That said, there is a defensive cynicism to stories that link us with big signings borne out of recent disappointments.
Everyone on here would shit there pants of we signed him.
That said, there is a defensive cynicism to stories that link us with big signings borne out of recent disappointments.
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