I hope we're not one of them
Robin van Persie
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How would Arsenal fans feel if he joined United rather than City?
What about the FFP issue? Surely City can't spend spend spend forever?
When does it come into effect?
When does it come into effect?
Tell that to Modric..
I think FFP's what stopping City from signing anyone. They're looking to offload Santa Cruz, Adebayor, Dzeko before planning to buy someone.
The same i'd think. Shouldnt make much of a difference to them as they're not going to compete with either.
arsenal doing everything possible to ensure Liverpool have a chance of crawling into the champions league...
Nigga plz
Racict!
Has anyone mentioned the possibility of a part exchange with Berba?
Would be a good deal for all concerned if they got Berba + cash, we got RVP and City got feck all.
Would be a good deal for all concerned if they got Berba + cash, we got RVP and City got feck all.
Do not want... and have no chance of getting either.
We dont really need a striker though. Certainly not someone who'd want massive wages and is dodgy fitness wise.
There's not a chance we'd sign him.
Possible line up - Kagawa in the hole, Rooney up top and Hernandez, Welbeck and Van Persie on the bench.. Would never happen.
Possible line up - Kagawa in the hole, Rooney up top and Hernandez, Welbeck and Van Persie on the bench.. Would never happen.
Really? I think we do. 4 top strikers is at least what we need and he's not going to play Berbatov and Owen is gone.
If Berbatov leaves I'd expect Fergie to sign a striker.
You could argue that Kagawa is Berbatov's replacement
You could, but you'd be wrong.
Really? Won't he be playing off a central striker? Kagawa isn't a central midfielder and he's not a winger so what role will he be doing?
he'll be making the sushi
Me too, the general attitude on here though is that Kagawa's suited position is behind the striker so that's definitely where he will play, with only one striker ahead of him (Rooney) so we have enough strikers. The reaction to a new striker is as if he has to shoot Welbeck & Hernandez in the knee's as part of the deal.
He wont be playing as a Striker, he will be playing as an attacking MF centrally. If he plays 35+ games he's be expected to get around 7-10 goals would be my guess. Yes he's an attacker, but we always had 4 out and out strikers in the last 20 years that we could rotate, and I can't see that changing. If Berba goes we will sign a striker.
(note, all of the above is based on nothing but my opinion and my very dodgy memory so could be complete bullshit)
If Berba goes and one of Rooney, Wellbeck and Henandez get's injured we will be woefully understaffed up front, and if anyone thinks that Kagawa was signed to lead the line then they differ in opinion from me. I'm almost as big a sucker for a striker as SAF so I would love to see one come in this year.
It's not like he's going to blow a wad on a CM.
Why would we need another striker if Berba leaves? It's not like Berba was used much last year and now with Kagawa playing essentially the same position a replacement striker is needed even less.
Sir Alex mentioned before that Will Keane would be with the first team so I imagine he had plans of using Will as the 4th striker for Carling Cup games and the like so I can't imagine we'd go after another top striker.
Sir Alex mentioned before that Will Keane would be with the first team so I imagine he had plans of using Will as the 4th striker for Carling Cup games and the like so I can't imagine we'd go after another top striker.
I don't see us signing another frontline striker if Berbatov goes. And we haven't always had 4 out and out strikers. During the time we largely played 4-5-1 with Scholes behind Van Nistelrooy we had just Ruud, Solskjaer and Forlan in the squad.
When we won the Champions League in 08 we had just Rooney, Tevez and a constantly injured Saha.
That's a bit soft now with the front three that year all swapping places and you not mentioning Ronaldo who played pretty much as a striker scoring 42 goals.
Aye but it goes against your statement that we have always had 4 out and out strikers in the past 20 years. We haven't because whenever the system has changed from 4-4-2 to either 4-5-1 (in Ruud's era) or 4-3-3 (in 08) we have not needed 4 out and out strikers as we had attacking midfielders in either Scholes or Ronaldo playing supporting roles. A role Kagawa is probably expected to play.
Yeah, but don't forget that I said I could be talking shit!
Kagawa has a lot to do to prove that he can do what Scholes and Ronaldo did. Also, Scholes started as a Striker and Ronaldo ended as one (pretty much) so I'm still right.
Not if we play Kagawa in his best position which is behind the striker. 3 strikers are enough if you play that formation. In any case, Berba didnt even play enough last season for us to buy to replace him. likewise with owen.
While he'll be leaving Arsenal, I really don't expect us to sign him. I'd love it if we could have him, but I'm afraid it looks like no more than a pipe dream to be honest. We won't be able to afford him and if Real Madrid, Man City or any other rich club want him then they'd be able to get him ahead of us.
I wish I knew when reasons for leaving a football club on a "Bosman" changed in the English Language
I mean how does " I'm going to hang on and run my contract down so I get a nice big f**k off signing-on fee at my next Club" become " Arsenal don't seem to have enough ambition"
not saying I blame the guy for leaving, after all , he's had a full season of football, wow, cash-in, but cut the bullsh*t, PLEASE !
I mean how does " I'm going to hang on and run my contract down so I get a nice big f**k off signing-on fee at my next Club" become " Arsenal don't seem to have enough ambition"
not saying I blame the guy for leaving, after all , he's had a full season of football, wow, cash-in, but cut the bullsh*t, PLEASE !
While we dont "need" a striker we've seen before that if someone Sir Alex admires becomes available we will go in for them regardless of what we already have.
The gist of my whole argument here comes down to this.
There is no way in the world that it wont cross SAF's mind to sign him now that he's come available, and if he could do a deal with Berba + cash, and then he'd be offloading Berba's salary towards RVP's then it wouldn't cost a whole pile.
It is a possibility, that's all.
There is no way in the world that it wont cross SAF's mind to sign him now that he's come available, and if he could do a deal with Berba + cash, and then he'd be offloading Berba's salary towards RVP's then it wouldn't cost a whole pile.
It is a possibility, that's all.
Jones who wanted assurances he would get regular playing time and then did? Smalling who may have wanted something similar but either way went straight in to the team more or less. Who knows what will happen with powell, easily possible though that he wont get the game time and may end up regretting moving so soon. It could definitely be argued that part of the problem with young players such as Pogba jumping ship quite regularly is that by taking them away from smaller teams/ weaker leagues although they might get more money and better coaching their exposure to competitive football is slower and more restricted and so they get disillusioned. Didn't Ramsey reject us because he didn't think he'd be a regular straight away? Similarly wasn't it one of hazards comments that he thought he could more easily get in to the Chelsea side than others?
It's not a black and white issue but to me unless you're already a good player, that you stay at a club that will play you regularly and give you a high level of competition, and then when you're ready you move to a stronger club. Right now rvp is at his peak and at a club that is a fair bit off the pace. Makes all the sense in the world that he leave now, if he commits to a contract and they don't make any great signings or progress then he may have lost his chance to move.
Well if kagawa performs in the pl then it's no reason why it should be a major issue. He effectively makes up the fourth striker. Sure he might not lead the line but he'll play just behibd one of these guys. If we lose Rooney then we're always gonna have an issue just as any team would If they lost their best player. If we got another striker then with this guy you'd have 5 people competing for 2 spots and condsidering Rooney is nailed on for one of those spots virtually every game he's fit that's four competing for one spot. Wouldn't make sense to get in another striker unless it's another youngster.
It makes no sense to sign him. If Kagawa and Rooney are our first choice front two then we already gave Hernandez and Welbeck sitting on the bench. Why would we need Van Persie? It's just an unnecessary signing, we're extremely well stocked up top.
Kagawa has been mentioned as a forward before.
I always thought he was an attacking midfielder.
Rooney himself has often played in this role.
Van Persie is an out an out forward.
Not saying we are in for him myself...but IF we went for him, that may be the reason.
Right but no side ever plays with an attacking midfielder AND two strikers. That's far too open. Which would mean dropping one of Rooney, Kagawa and RVP.
Yeahh I know he plays off the striker/attackin midfield/number 10 role etc. But that doesn't change us not needed a striker, because when he plays off the striker we only use one up top.
No 10 - Kagawa, Rooney
No 9 - Rooney, Welbeck, Chich
If our first choice is Kagawa/Rooney then we'll play that the majority of games. Rooney needs a rest, then Kagawa/Welbeck, if Kagawa needs a rest or injured then Rooney/Welbeck or Rooney/Hernandez etc.
So why the need for Van Persie? He can play up top but so can Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez, so no need for him.
Welbeck and Hernandez especially will be struggling for games as it is, let alone if we signed another forward.
No 10 - Kagawa, Rooney
No 9 - Rooney, Welbeck, Chich
If our first choice is Kagawa/Rooney then we'll play that the majority of games. Rooney needs a rest, then Kagawa/Welbeck, if Kagawa needs a rest or injured then Rooney/Welbeck or Rooney/Hernandez etc.
So why the need for Van Persie? He can play up top but so can Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez, so no need for him.
Welbeck and Hernandez especially will be struggling for games as it is, let alone if we signed another forward.
Most players want to win things but most players don't get the chance to move to a club that improves their odds of winning things.
3 years with Feyenoord and a UEFA cup
8 years with Arsenal and a (lucky) FA Cup.
He's not got much time to make a change and he does have a choice.
money and trophies is why he will leave.
But I hope Arsenal manage to keep him...cause the only place I see him going to is City if he is still in the Prem. Even if he does end up at Real or Barca....I find them almost as disgusting as City these days.
But I hope Arsenal manage to keep him...cause the only place I see him going to is City if he is still in the Prem. Even if he does end up at Real or Barca....I find them almost as disgusting as City these days.
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