Robin van Persie

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pocco said:
I disagree, can't see us offering any new player that.

When it comes to RVP, I've never been able to make my mind up about him. This season is arguably his best, but before that he was always a 'not quite there' player, for me. Does one season change that? Not in my opinion. It'll be interesting to see if he replicates this seasons figures again.
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I think that's unfair, his injuries just hid his brilliance to an extent. I know you can't prove anything with stats but in 10/11 his were: 19 starts, 18 goals, 7 assists. He was two goals off the top scorer award (despite making less appearances than 18 of the top 20 scorers). In 09/10 he made just 16 league appearances, but he still scored 9 goals and assisted 7, he was doing it just often not enough to remember. In 08/09 he made just 24 starts but still topped the assists list with 10 and scored 11. He kept up that consistency of around 1 goal/assist per game for 5 seasons straight before this one.

In 06/07 he had a rate that was only slightly worse than his goals/assists rate this season, and his best rate was last season, so I think he's shown for a long while that he'll guarantee you goals when he's on the pitch. He scored a hat-trick against Chelsea, he scored or assisted in all 4 of the goals against Spurs 3 years ago, he got two assists against Liverpool in 06/07 and he got a goal or an assist against us in 4 of the last 5 seasons. He's been fairly consistent, he just hasn't had the game-time to back it up.
 
can anyone make a realistic lineup if we got him?
 
Zen86 said:
Anyone who thinks he's signing for us is seriously deluded.
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No one thinks he is, but we are discussing the possibility, however unlikely.

Grinner said:
Good one! Although he did win individual awards with us.

His primary concern is doubling his wages of course...trophies are just a bonus. I can't blame him for that but I can call him a cnut for pretending it's not about the cash.
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BS, he's getting older and not won a fecking tap with your lot. It's a pity that you have turned into a selling club, but thats the case and that's what RVP will see. A player like that shouldn't be retiring with empty pockets and honestly he has to move on to win.
 
He'll be 29 in a month, it's either now or never for him if he wants to move to a bigger club too. Had he signed a new deal it'd probably run until 2016 at least and he'll be 33 in 2016 - with his injury issues from the past it'll be way too old for a big move.
 
peterstorey said:
Save us the violins, it's all about filling those pockets with even more pound notes.
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Bitter is right. Look Pete, I'd be upset if it was our player, but do you honestly believe that a player has no other desire than money if he leaves a club that's failing miserably to win anything? I'm sure the money plays a part, but with RVP I don't think it's the main motivation. I genuinely believe that this guy wants to have something to show for his career more than great individual performances and missed chances. I bet if Cesc was still there and Wenger would spend a few quid, and if you were actually winning something he would be going no-where. As it is he's like the boy with his thumb in the dyke. (no filth intended)
 
What's the real sporting challenge? To try and spearhead Arsenal to a league win or join financially doped City?
 
I think it's the other way round - trophies and maybe some more cash too as a bonus.

RVP is an example of the problem, not the problem itself. That's a separate thread in the making.
 
peterstorey said:
What's the real sporting challenge? To try and spearhead Arsenal to a league win or join financially doped City?
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I'd hate to see him going to City and us as United fans know more about their financial doping than most, but in 30 years time the medals in his pocket will be just as valuable as any that Bergkamp won.

I would love to see him stay at your place, and I'd actually love to see you get closer to the summit again as a seriously competitive League is good for everyone, (and I loved our battles with Arsenal) but without a fair bit of investment it's unrealistic to expect him to spearhead this squad to any serious prize.
 
alastair said:
I think it's the other way round - trophies and maybe some more cash too as a bonus.

RVP is an example of the problem, not the problem itself. That's a separate thread in the making.
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This is the most sense I've ever heard you speak.


(I feel dirty)
 
peterstorey said:
What's the real sporting challenge? To try and spearhead Arsenal to a league win or join financially doped City?
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he can see the facts like the rest of us.

the way Arsenal are run now (as a proper football club) they cannot win the title or the CL.

sure he will be happy with more money, but for great players like him, they want to win titles.

But I will agree with you that going to a club lke City...heck those titles must be hollow if he is honest....assuming that is where he is headed.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Fergie should offer him the same as he's on now to test the theory.
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Good point, but again unrealistic.

Once the decision is made to move, now he may as well make the best possible move for himself, and financially at least that's clearly going to be City. I don't know where he would get the most game time, but I think it would be with us.
 
Red Dreams said:
he can see the facts like the rest of us.

the way Arsenal are run now (as a proper football club) they cannot win the title or the CL.

sure he will be happy with more money, but for great players like him, they want to win titles.

But I will agree with you that going to a club lke City...heck those titles must be hollow if he is honest....assuming that is where he is headed.
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It isn't though.

Not investing in the side encourages your top players to leave, and means that you're on a constant slide towards mediocrity.

Now, that's fine if you have to do it to be financially sound, but it's actually the definition of financial imprudence. If we finish 5th next season, no-one will be talking about how wonderfully sensible we are.
 
Steve, If he cared so much about the club and so little about his Rubles then why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is and attempt a takeover?
 
Usmanov offered £100m for transfers. The board rejected it. There's not an awful lot he can do - Kroenke and co won't even go for meetings with him. How many 30% shareholders(as they say in the letter - 1 in 3 seats in the stadium) are not even listened to?
 
Irwin - I believe he's unable to secure enough shares to gain a place on the board, mate.
 
alastair said:
Usmanov offered £100m for transfers. The board rejected it. There's not an awful lot he can do - Kroenke and co won't even go for meetings with him. How many 30% shareholders(as they say in the letter - 1 in 3 seats in the stadium) are not even listened to?
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SteveJ said:
Irwin - I believe he's unable to secure enough shares to gain a place on the board, mate.
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I know nothing about it, but a 30% shareholder can't even get onto the board...? :wenger: Company law if a mystery to me, but that sounds mental!
 
peterstorey said:
What's the real sporting challenge? To try and spearhead Arsenal to a league win or join financially doped City?
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He won't be joining City to 'win', more or less jumping on their success. Will be there to make up the numbers.

The problem with Arsenal is, too many players calling it a day and not staying put when the going gets tough.
 
SteveJ said:
Usmanov's open letter to the Arsenal board is really damning:
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It's a pile of shit from start to finish. The most amusing thing about it is the attempted rejection of the claim by Gazidis that they're divisive in a clearly cnutish letter. As Stan says: feck off Usmanov.
 
Things are going to get very messy with us soon. Usmanov leaking this letter at a very convenient time, which appeals to a lot of the supporters, and Kroenke never actually bothering to be around.

There comes a point where you have to ask questions of the current board. It's been downhill since Kroenke and Gazidis joined. It's been woefully run.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
Good point, but again unrealistic.

Once the decision is made to move, now he may as well make the best possible move for himself, and financially at least that's clearly going to be City. I don't know where he would get the most game time, but I think it would be with us.
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I was being facetious, City can also offer him a good chance of winning trophies now.

Do you believe it's a done deal on his part?
 
peterstorey said:
It's a pile of shit from start to finish. The most amusing thing about it is the attempted rejection of the claim by Gazidis that they're divisive in a clearly cnutish letter. As Stan says: feck off Usmanov.
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That was a bit ridiculous, but what about the apparent cold calling for sponsors that Gazidis was up to? Does that leave a positive impression?
 
peterstorey said:
It's a pile of shit from start to finish. The most amusing thing about it is the attempted rejection of the claim by Gazidis that they're divisive in a clearly cnutish letter. As Stan says: feck off Usmanov.
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Oh yeah, the letter pulls no punches and is clearly provocative & opportunist. However, it's difficult for AFC fans and outsiders like us to know what the real truth of the situation is.
 
alastair said:
That was a bit ridiculous, but what about the apparent cold calling for sponsors that Gazidis was up to? Does that leave a positive impression?
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It was probably some agency shit to generate leads. It means feck-all squared. If Usmanov has such great love for Arsenal why didn't he get them to approach us with a potential deal.
 
SteveJ said:
Oh yeah, the letter pulls no punches and is clearly provocative & opportunist. However, it's difficult for AFC fans and outsiders like us to know what the real truth of the situation is.
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What's becoming apparent from Usmanov is that he doesn't see Wenger as the problem, which is going to change the atmosphere regarding him to a lot of the supporters.

As far as I'm concerned, if it's true that no proper funds are being made available, Wenger is an absolute hero and should have a thousand statues lining the ground.
 
alastair said:
It's been downhill since Kroenke and Gazidis joined. It's been woefully run.
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Dein leaving has hit Wenger hard but I think Arsenal sorely miss Fiszman. He invested so much into the club, £50 million in the 90s (a lot then), on wages and new players. He wanted a new stadium and realised the importance of locality; Dein on the other hand would have been happy to relocate to Kings Cross.
 
peterstorey said:
It was probably some agency shit to generate leads. It means feck-all squared. If Usmanov has such great love for Arsenal why didn't he get them to approach us with a potential deal.
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I don't think he does love Arsenal - could be frying pan into the fire. But at least he actually turns up once in a while. Kroenke must be the most absent owner in the history of the game. I don't really believe he gives a toss as long as he makes money from it.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Dein leaving has hit Wenger hard but I think Arsenal sorely miss Fiszman. He invested so much into the club, £50 million in the 90s (a lot then), on wages and new players. He wanted a new stadium and realised the importance of locality; Dein on the other hand would have been happy to relocate to Kings Cross.
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Agreed completely. I do think we're in a borderline fatal position here though - the current board seem willing to carry on as it is, and the potential new owner in Usmanov is a crook and someone I don't want running this club. Where do we go?
 
The Arsenal board rip the fans off. there is sensible spending and a good business model, and there's not even reinvesting a net expenditure from profits into the team.


Arse have decided that a 3rd or 4th finish achieved at the lowest possible expense is there perfect position. They are not aiming to win the PL.
 
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