Good post, my feelings too.
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Good post, my feelings too.
2 Strikers and an Attacking Midfielder is not an option.
Didn't we play Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo at the same time?
Yes. But then we had the legs in midfield to support it. The only way Rooney, RVP and Kagawa would play together is with one of them operating from the left.
EDIT: Unless Fergie believes he will convert Kagawa of course.
Underrating him a tad? He would instantly be one of our best players and a partnership with Rooney would be one of the very best in the world.
I don't think we are getting him though
What do people think of Hernandez and Welbeck's gametime if we get Van Persie? We tend to be able to give 3 strikers enough games due to rotation but I don't know how we can keep the 4th happy. It works when the 4th is someone like Owen (not really good enough anymore) or Berbatov (on his way out). But Hernandez and Welbeck and quality young players expecting games.
It's one of the many reasons I don't see this as a particularly great deal for Utd, I suppose Welbeck can play out wide if required (although he has never really impressed there).
RVP is far better than both. So it would be tough shit. Probably Hernandez would feel it worse. Welbeck is very versatile and would play more games.
Hernandez has many more years to offer us than van persie. Not sure I want to see his development hampered. Oh and add Kagawa as well if we intend on playing him in his best position (which I think we should).
I am sentimental about Utd's history for bringing through academy players so I would be upset to see Welbeck languishing on the bench.
Hernandez probably wouldnt start many games anyway as welbeck is a far better player than him. Fact that he thrives on playing off the last line of defence and offers almost nothing at all in our build up play means fergie will most likely use him as a sub if we need a goal.
I wouldn't worry too much about Hernandez because he'll never be anything more than an impact sub for us and I suppose Welbeck is young enough to still be patient.... whether that's something he'd take given how involved he was last season remains to be seen though.
I think there will be plenty of game time for them if we got our hands on RVP. Ferries loves to mix it up for his forwards as has been said before, yorkie and cole had ole and teddy breathing down their necks and it brought the best out of all of them.
Top players respond to this kind of thing and I think it can only benefit the younger lads. Welbeck still has to up his game with regards to his finishing, he did fantastic last year but that is the weakest point of his game. I'm sure training with someone who is clearly a better finisher will help him improve.
Hernandez needs to work on his hold up play which once again RVP is much better than him at, so the same should apply.
It's strange so many people are so apprehensive towards this transfer. I'd be ***ping all over the shop if we do get this deal done.
Top players respond to this kind of thing and I think it can only benefit the younger lads. Welbeck still has to up his game with regards to his finishing, he did fantastic last year but that is the weakest point of his game. I'm sure training with someone who is clearly a better finisher will help him improve.
Hernandez needs to work on his hold up play which once again RVP is much better than him at, so the same should apply.
It's strange so many people are so apprehensive towards this transfer. I'd be ***ping all over the shop if we do get this deal done.
Another Manc who passes off speculation as 'facts'
The only fact is that nothing has happened despite all the speculation and I think there's a good chance nothing will happen
If you havent been jilted why are you so angry? Resorting to name calling? Dont you remember RVP statement. He doesnt want to extend his stay.
You are totally like a teenage girl in this thread. You and Storey.
An impact sub who was first choice ahead of Berbatov in his first season? He wasn't even an impact sub last season. Starts were pretty well spread between him and Welbeck when he wasn't injured. Surely, we expect him to get better as he hits his prime?
There's been plenty of Utd players brought from the academy who spent time on the bench when it was needed over the years
Yeah, I don't want to be misunderstood. While I take more pleasure from the success of young players who make their name at United like Hernandez than players who are already established like Van Persie, in the end, I want what is best for the club. So the reason I mention Hernandez and Welbeck is because I'm wondering whether their development being stalled or slowed down is in our best interest even if in the short term we'd have the best striker in England.
I don't think it is needed though, he is good enough to play and undoubtedly he will develop quicker playing week in week out than languishing on the bench.
Yeah but last season we only really had Rooney welbeck and Hernandez in contention. Berbs clearly wasn't favoured even if we could have used him. This season we have effectively swapped kagawa for berba, where you'd expect kagawa to feature quite a lot given he provides something we lack and is an established player. Those 4 are a good balance especially as both kagawa and select can play wide which will help to spread the games. But Rvp is a world class striker of the same stature of Rooney. If he's fit you expect him to play and with the wages he'd be on I wouldn't understand rotating him in and out. So with Rooney and Rvp likely to play the best part of 50 games each then it wouldn't leave much game time for the likes of welbeck or Hernandez. I think welbecks versatility would see him do alright but Hernandez would suffer, though if welbeck can get sufficient game time then I wouldn't be overly fussed if Hernandez gets marginalised. Then again I think fergie is a big fan of Hernandez so lord knows how he'd balance it out.
Personally I don't think you can really say not to a top class player but at the same time if the price starts getting relatively high I'd prefer we put the money towards signing potential stars in other areas rather than upfront where I think we have a nice balance already.
Personally I don't think you can really say not to a top class player but at the same time if the price starts getting relatively high I'd prefer we put the money towards signing potential stars in other areas rather than upfront where I think we have a nice balance already.
I don't. He's a goalscorer and not much else. A very handy player to have but I suspect his starts will be severely limited in years to come.
It might be the case although I see a better future for him. It really depends on just how good a goalscorer he can be and how much he can refine the rest of his game.
@dev1l: you better edit your post and erase that rubbish pic.The mods don't like that
That's true but for me it's a question of getting RVP then Welbeck will have to be patient.United's general well being before any individual's
Dont you remember RVP statement. He doesnt want to extend his stay.
You are totally like a teenage girl in this thread. You and Storey.
I'm not angry, in fact my posts are measured though occasionally I can be forgiven for some intemperance when responding to lame brains like you.
Ya boo sucks!
Pretty much shows you are rattled like all Arsenal fans. Terrified of losing RVP. I would be too given the new strikers you have signed. They are ordinary.
Well RVP would undoubtedly improve the team, so I would be happy to sign him but as most others seem to think, he's a luxury we don't really need. We'll have to wait and see but IMO spending that money on a midfielder would improve us even more.
About your sentimentality part, it's a tough one. Often competition means players who aren't good enough are sacrificed (think of Gibson recently), so we can improve. But we've always had a good mix of youth and experience, where young players are at least given a chance. I'd like is to continue with that philosophy.
You look at Welbeck - Manchester lad with great ability and temperament with every chance of being a great player for club and country. I'd be much more satisfied to win with him in the side than if we'd gone out and spent £50m on an Aguerro or whatever.
What's the news on Gill?
Is he dahn sarff meeting Ivan or kicking his heels in Salford?
Is he dahn sarff meeting Ivan or kicking his heels in Salford?
Welbeck would still be at United, would still be a promising and cracking talent, with or without the signing of a top class striker.It's not black and white, the possible arrival of RVP wouldn't necessarily signal Welbeck's end as a United player or anything negative regarding his career.
It's a tough choice to make that's for sure because a coach has to keep his players happy and has to get the players to help the team overall.It's an incredibly difficult task to be a coach at this level.
Along with the Kagawa signing, it complicates things massively. I think it's fair to say that Hernandez is probably a gonner if Van Persie signs, and Fergie/Phelan seem to have indicated that Kagawa will play through the middle behind the front man. If we sign Van Persie, I can't help but think it would be madness to not play him up top (would make a bit of a mockery of the whole transfer in my opinion), meaning that we may actually see Rooney out wide sometimes. This then means that Valencia, Nani and Young will be affected, and it may also restrict Welbeck's game time on the wing as well as upfront!
This signing is definitely not without it's problems, even if we do have injuries. To me, it looks like we're looking to offload one player that played about 10 games last year, whilst replacing him with 2 that will be looking to play 80 between them.
I'm not sure why signing van Persie has to change the dynamic of the team as much as people are saying. We're competing in four competitions, one of which we spectacularly crashed out of at the first hurdle last season. There will be opportunities for all of the squad in all competitions for as long as we're still in them and the likelihood is with a player like van Persie to add to the rotation, we will be in them for longer. Fergie is not an unfair manager and when a player is doing their bit, they get their rewards.
the main benefit in signing RvP is we won't have to persist with playing wazza when he's in his customary run of shit form.
He hasn't had any competition for quite some time, RvP would make no one's position safe at the club in attacking roles, which is a good thing.
He hasn't had any competition for quite some time, RvP would make no one's position safe at the club in attacking roles, which is a good thing.
He was in New York yesterday, avoiding giving answers to how much he'll benefit from the IPO.
Rooney out wide just doesn't work for me. He hasn't got the pace or ability to run at defenders to play there.
Rooney hasn't got the ability to run at defenders?
Have you not watched Rooney at all in his career? He has the ability, he just doesn't use it much any more because it's not really that clever a way to play. This is something Fergie changed in him, not a lack of ability.There's a limit to how many players you can fit in whilst keeping them all happy. It simply being a long season doesn't mean they'll all be happy with their gametime. A league cup game doesn't rank anywhere near a premier league or CL game for these players. And it's not just the numbers. It's the pedigree of players we're talking about. Hernandez and Welbeck aren't a well past their prime Owen who is happy with any gametime United give them. They can be first choice for plenty of very good clubs out there.
For the likes of Aguerro I'd make an exception. He was 23 when City signed him, about as good as RVP already, and generally fit. If you can get your hands on a player like that, you do it, even if it means Welbeck and Hernandez down the pecking order. The chances of them ever getting as good as him are low.
With RVP, I don't really see the logic. If the rest of the squad was sorted then maybe - a Rooney-Van persie partnership might be amazing for a couple of seasons. But the rest of the squad isn't sorted.
Rooney hasn't got the ability to run at defenders?
Dribbling isn't a clever way to play? Interesting.
How often does he go past a defender as compared to Nani or Insertanyotherplayergoodatdribbling?
Yeah no doubt I'd rather see us sign Aguero than Van Persie. Now that's signing I'd genuinely be excited by.
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