Robin van Persie

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Brophs said:
But I'm speculating and can't pretend to know enough to speak about this with any sort of authority, so there's not much point in me saying anything more on it.
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Don't get me wrong Brophs, I think he wants to leave now, and I think he wants to come to Old Trafford.

But.... he's in a win win situation for me, he joins the club he wants now, or he stays and opens himself up to a pre-contract with big wages/signing fee at PSG, Real, Milan, Juve, Barca in 5 months time.
 
I'm always right said:
Don't get me wrong Brophs, I think he wants to leave now, and I think he wants to come to Old Trafford.

But.... he's in a win win situation for me, he joins the club he wants now, or he stays and opens himself up to a pre-contract with big wages/signing fee at PSG, Real, Milan, Juve, Barca in 5 months time.
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You are right to an extent if his only motivation is money, but if he wants to leave to win trophies then time is of the essence. If he doesn't join Utd now, i don't for one minute think we will involve ourselves in the type of bidding war you suggest could happen in Jan.

If he wanted to move abroad i think there would already be more takers, it seems to me he wants Utd and the only stumbling block is Arse's reluctance to sell to us. Hopefully it will be resolved one way or the other very soon.
 
Striker10 said:
Yes he will be forced to wait :(. I don't think he will resign either, but then how does Wenger handle it? Can you play a player who is not committed to the club? Can you play a player over the strikers they've signed? You can't disagree he'll resign as I don't think he will resign... So RVP waits till Jan, but that's not good for Arsenal or the player

So I think it'll be last minute, which might not be too bad as we have to sell Berbatov anyway.
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More complicated than that. Fergie knows it's risky to sell Berbatov without having assurance Van Persie will come here. If he sells Berbatov and doesn't get Van Persie there's no chance he will panic and get other top class big name for the front line last minute.

We've bought Kagawa, but there will be games where Fergie will want two out and out strikers. Then let's say (touch wood) one of Rooney / Hernandez / Welbeck is injured and we need someone quality on the bench. I'd rather have Berba there than Macheda. And if that injured one (again, touch wood) is Rooney, for the time being I'd rather see Berba lining up with Welbeck or Hernandez than those two together.

I think Fergie won't be too rapid into selling Berbatov unless he signs, or is 100% sure of signing Van Persie. Some say he's giving Dimitar some playing time on this tour only because he's seeking buyers. I'm not so sure, he may still know there is a possibility that he will need his services here and there.
 
Tomuś said:
More complicated than that. Fergie knows it's risky to sell Berbatov without having assurance Van Persie will come here. If he sells Berbatov and doesn't get Van Persie there's no chance he will panic and get other top class big name for the front line last minute.

We've bought Kagawa, but there will be games where Fergie will want two out and out strikers. Then let's say (touch wood) one of Rooney / Hernandez / Welbeck is injured and we need someone quality on the bench. I'd rather have Berba there than Macheda. And if that injured one (again, touch wood) is Rooney, for the time being I'd rather see Berba lining up with Welbeck or Hernandez than those two together.

I think Fergie won't be too rapid into selling Berbatov unless he signs, or is 100% sure of signing Van Persie. Some say he's giving Dimitar some playing time on this tour only because he's seeking buyers. I'm not so sure, he may still know there is a possibility that he will need his services here and there.
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I don't think Sir Alex is bothered about selling Berbatov at all. I think Sir Alex will be quite content trying one or two things. Berbatov has a great game in pre season and what happens? We don't play him. Gets maybe a few mins in other games. We've no interest in getting him match fit or giving him the opportunity because I think we've decided that he's a good player but he's not a great striker. It's a pity William Keane got injured.

We have options in house. I think though, we won't pull out of the RVP deal so it's a case of waiting. I think United know if we get him, it will be last minute like when we signed Berbatov.
 
Berbatov's involvement last season demonstrates how infrequently SAF considered him essential. I think Berba's gone, regardless of the RvP situation unfortunately.

The fee we get for Berba may affect how willing SAF is to push the fee up on the RvP, however. If for no other reason than he will feel better about it psychologically ("Berbatov plus £10m", for example).
 
Yes, Will Keane's injury is a pity. I was hoping he would be reasonably involved this season as he offers something else from our other strikers.

And as to Berbatov, Fergie will be content whether he goes or not, but I do believe he realised he may need him next season. He won't sell him if he doesn't get Van Persie in my opinion.
 
I'm always right said:
Don't get me wrong Brophs, I think he wants to leave now, and I think he wants to come to Old Trafford.

But.... he's in a win win situation for me, he joins the club he wants now, or he stays and opens himself up to a pre-contract with big wages/signing fee at PSG, Real, Milan, Juve, Barca in 5 months time.
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A risk for him to do that - what if he gets injured between now and Christmas? May not be such an attractive proposition given his history.
 
RedRover said:
A risk for him to do that - what if he gets injured between now and Christmas? May not be such an attractive proposition given his history.
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PSG for a starter won't care about his injury record I'm sure as soon as they get another top name and know he will be fit sooner or later, even if for a few months per season. Barca won't take him, Real probably too. Milan may need him but will be whole lot more reasonable than PSG. Juve - well I don't know.
 
acrebo said:
Berbatov's involvement last season demonstrates how infrequently SAF considered him essential. I think Berba's gone, regardless of the RvP situation unfortunately.

The fee we get for Berba may affect how willing SAF is to push the fee up on the RvP, however. If for no other reason than he will feel better about it psychologically ("Berbatov plus £10m", for example).
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:lol:

berbatov is worth feck all. do you honestly think a team will pay 10 million for him?

RvP isn't going to move below 20 million quid IMO.
 
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VoetbalWizard said:
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berbatov is worth feck all. do you honestly think a team will pay 10 million for him?

RvP isn't going to move below 20 million quid IMO.
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He said 'for example' to be honest. Apart from that Berba's worth feck all due to us completely turning our backs on him and not playing him + his age and contract expiring.

Get him to a club level below, play him week in week out in appropriate system and he is suddenly worth 7-10 million for you can still get 2/3 fruitful years out of him. It takes some risk, though.
 
alastair said:
Tapping up is never really punished anymore because it just makes sense to do it. What I hate is sanctimonious fellow Gooners moaning about it when it's clear we did it to Giroud and Cazorla in this summer alone.

It does, however, get irritating when a club tells all their existing players to talk up the potential signing in public. That's unnecessary.
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You'll might not do it at the same level as Barca but your players have done it too.
 
Just read John Cross's article from yesterday...he was having a go at Fergie for not understanding why Arsenal loathe to sell Persie to us, when he himself refused to let Heinze move to Anfield, citing rivalry as his reason. I ask...do Arse actually see us as bitter rivals? I mean, honestly...are we rivals in the truest sense? Sure we had a rivalry during the Keane and Vieira days, but United fans don't feel the same way anymore... surely. I don't think Ferguson does either, although it could be argued that selling them Silvestre a stroke of genius or a cunning plan rather than a softening of heart. I dunno, I think Wenger should let it go and accept we actually like each other. Just take the £10m and wish your man the very best, Weng.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Just read John Cross's article from yesterday...he was having a go at Fergie for not understanding why Arsenal loathe to sell Persie to us, when he himself refused to let Heinze move to Anfield, citing rivalry as his reason. I ask...do Arse actually see us as bitter rivals? I mean, honestly...are we rivals in the truest sense? Sure we had a rivalry during the Keane and Vieira days, but United fans don't feel the same way anymore... surely. I don't think Ferguson does either, although it could be argued that selling them Silvestre a stroke of genius or a cunning plan rather than a softening of heart. I dunno, I think Wenger should let it go and accept we actually like each other. Just take the £10m and wish your man the very best, Weng.
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Surely there's no bigger rivalry than United vs Liverpool? The guy must be deluded if he's comparing Arsenal's rivalry with United to United vs Liverpool!

Arsenal's biggest rivals would be Spurs, and I would understand a comparison with those two clubs being reluctant to trade players.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Just read John Cross's article from yesterday...he was having a go at Fergie for not understanding why Arsenal loathe to sell Persie to us, when he himself refused to let Heinze move to Anfield, citing rivalry as his reason. I ask...do Arse actually see us as bitter rivals? I mean, honestly...are we rivals in the truest sense? Sure we had a rivalry during the Keane and Vieira days, but United fans don't feel the same way anymore... surely. I don't think Ferguson does either, although it could be argued that selling them Silvestre a stroke of genius or a cunning plan rather than a softening of heart. I dunno, I think Wenger should let it go and accept we actually like each other. Just take the £10m and wish your man the very best, Weng.
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I think Arsenal have that bitter inferiority complex towards us. We were pretty much even on the playing field in the early 2000s and look how's that gone to date. We don't perceive them as rivals anymore (even more humililating), and I miss this rivarly. Watching our last season's games, reading pre-match thoughts and so on I actually believe we were treating them with somewhat friendly but also patronizing look.
 
We're miles ahead of them because we've managed to remain competitive when Chelsea and City came along. It's a shame that a well run club like Arsenal have to worry about being a top 4 side in England (when they'd be competing for the league in Italy and have a safe 3rd place in Spain) because two billionaires have decided to make City and Chelsea their brand new toys. If one or two more billionaires decide to buy different PL clubs, say Villa, Newcastle or Everton, and spend £300m on transfers we might find ourselves in a similar position.
 
I think the United - Arsenal 'rivalry' is only really a London thing considering our substantial base in London. I remember Arsenal vs United being just as big as United vs Liverpool for London Reds back in the Keane-Viera days.
 
We have sold players to Chelsea (Veron) and to Arsenal (Silvestre) in the past 10 years. Sir Alex seemingly only has a problem with selling to Liverpool and City..
 
Seems more and more like the Fabregas and Nasri sagas. Arse will pretend RVp is not going anywhere right up until the last minute, and once a few more quid is offered Arsenal will claim they had no choice in the end but to let him go.
 
"Alex Ferguson clear on RVP interest. We would not make up a story for the IPO. Aiming to bring a few players in soon" - David Gill on CNBC
 
Quick run through the last few pages suggests these quotes from Mancini have been posted.

Manager Roberto Mancini admitted Manchester City have given up on signing Robin van Persie after expressing his frustration with the club's transfer policy.

Both City and derby rivals United have lodged bids for the Arsenal striker, who is in the last year of his contract and has refused to sign a new deal.

But with the transfer window closing in just three weeks' time, Mancini feels negotiations have hit a dead end.

"We only have 20 days to the end of the market and I don't think that we have any chance for him," he said.

Mancini said two weeks ago that City would need to improve their squad if they are to retain the Premier League title this season.
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apotheosis said:
Seems more and more like the Fabregas and Nasri sagas. Arse will pretend RVp is not going anywhere right up until the last minute, and once a few more quid is offered Arsenal will claim they had no choice in the end but to let him go.
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The smart money is on City striking a deal with Adeybayor and maybe Santa Cruz and blowing us out of the water late in the window.
 
Maajid said:
Quick run through the last few pages suggests these quotes from Mancini have been posted.



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He's just being himself. I wouldn't trust Mancini on anything and certainly not on this one. I still think City are more likely to land him than we are.
 
Sarni said:
He's just being himself. I wouldn't trust Mancini on anything and certainly not on this one. I still think City are more likely to land him than we are.
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Agree.
It'll be one of those 'nicked player off united' act again.
 
Why'd he have to say a few? My inner muppet just tried to burst out of me.
 
All I know is, my gut says "maybe"
 
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