Real used to do that all the time. Subtle as a brick, but they never got in trouble for tapping up!
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Real used to do that all the time. Subtle as a brick, but they never got in trouble for tapping up!
Nah I think RVP's gone. Oh and John Cross is an utter moron.
It's the vocabulary which is most annoying - destiny, dream, ideal, all of this bollocks.
I'm not worried about Song at the moment, he's still got 2 years(or 3 if you believe John Cross) and he'll stay.
RVP is apparently buzzing in training as well from Arsenal's best insiders. Make of that what you want.
I'd be buzzing too if I thought I was gettin a move to United
I love John Cross, simply for pretending to be a neutral journalist when 95% of his tweets are about Arsenal and then accidentally saying he's a Gooner in response to questions.
My view is that RVP will stay. Always had a gut feeling he would simply because of a lack of interest by clubs we'd be willing to sell to.
That's why I ignore John Cross's news about Arsenal. He's their PR man rather than a news journalist.
Regarding RVP, I reckon the bridges have burned too much. People say about Rooney, but his whole saga finished in about two days.
Bugs the shit out me too (swap United fans for Gooners).
I'm not even that arsed about players talking about new signings. They all talk amongst themselves all the time. If some of those comments go on the record it's on big deal.
I remember loads of United fans on here getting all in a lather when Barca players were talking about Fabregas. I won't hold my breath waiting for those same caftards getting worked up about Rooney's comments.
Yep, when they were cleared of tapping-up Ronaldo after our complaint then that killed-off any relevance rules on tapping-up ever had.
The Fabregas saga after that was maybe at an even more blatant level still.
Modern football is a weird, mercenary affair. Everything will be forgiven if not forgotten if he signs a new deal and performs. Wenger still needs him more than RvP needs Arsenal.
Every big club tap up. We were showing Robben our training facilities before the bid was even accepted.
Yeah, agree with that. It happens, we all know it happens and yet people still want to appear outraged when it becomes public knowledge.
I'd be quite surprised if Fergie hasn't spoken personally to RvP and that's pretty outrageous, or at least it would be if it wasn't the norm.
It's more than one month he has signed a new deal. I'd be hugely surprised if he signs a new deal.
Probably his phone that was buzzing.
I wouldn't. I don't think they'll sell to us, Juve are a pretty poor proposition with everything going on and City seem to be trying to balance the books (or at least as much as they can). So unless City come in with a daft bid I can see him staying and possibly signing a new deal. His stock will never be higher than this summer.
Why would he sign a new deal though? He can just wait 5 months (no time at all) in the knowledge that he can then sign for whoever the feck he pleases and his wages/signing on fee will fecking SKYROCKET!!!
He obviously wants to leave, and looking at the situation, Arsenal NOT selling him is just an even bigger win for him. He simply waits till Jan, has a look at how the season is going and decides from there, I can't see any possibility of him signing a new contract before January, that would be fecking retarded considering his original reasons for wanting to leave.
At the end of the day they will sell to us if they cannot find him a club abroad. It's still better to receive £15m from us than lose him for free in a year. Funnily, we're talking about a 29-year old so it's very unlikely that Arsenal will challenge us for the league while he's still there.
At a few months short of 30 he won't make appreciably more than he's going to get this summer, Bosman or not. There's a limit to what a player like that can earn and he's approaching it with the sorts of wages being offered this summer. His signing on fee will be somewhat higher, for sure, but not so much that it will be a major concern to him given he'll stand to make a lot of money either way.
As for the bold, not a chance. He made the statement because he wants/wanted out now. Staying another year isn't a win unless none of the clubs in for him are his first choice.
correct.
also the fear factor. i genuinley dont think teams fear us going forward like they did.
the city game for example......we barley created a thing and never had a shot.......we changed things by introducing welbeck. you could sense city where not in the slightest concerned about that. desperate for a goal having RVP rooney, chica, welbeck and kagawa gives us so many more options.
this in turn relieves the stress on the midfield. as does the return of fitness of rio and vida.
It'll be a win for his pocket if he stands to receive an 8m quid signing on fee. And a win for him in that he can pick whichever club he pleases.
Taking that into consideration I don't understand the "not a chance" comment.
true with United....not PSG, CIty or any of the russian, chinese, american clubs.
Surely any player who signs a contract as a free agent will make a lot more out of the deal, personally, than someone whose registration is still owned by his club?
I thought that was pretty darn obvious too
I reckon RVP would make an absolute shitload of money from a PSG, AC Milan, Juve, Madrid, Barca, Munich if he were to leave his contract as it is until January.
The signing on fee would be HUGE.
I think you're agreeing with such an outdated opinion... Teams used to need four top quality strikers, especially United, but not any more. Other than perhaps Manchester City and ourselves from time to time, have any of the other top teams really had four strikers almost fighting for positions (ala Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham)?
I think the game has involved and this isn't as much of a requirement as it used to be. Kagawa in the hole is basically like having another striker for me anyway.
Fergie clearly thinks we need four.
I thought that was pretty darn obvious too
I reckon RVP would make an absolute shitload of money from a PSG, AC Milan, Juve, Madrid, Barca, Munich if he were to leave his contract as it is until January.
The signing on fee would be HUGE.
He's going to be on something like £200k p/w if he moves. He'll get a massive signing on fee regardless of being on a Bosman or not (you say £8m on a Bosman, I'd wager that he won't get less than £5m over the course of his contract if we sign him this summer).
Of course he'll get more on each figure if he goes on a Bosman but not so much that it makes an enormous difference, particularly when you consider he'll be a year older. The net loss he'll make isn't so massive that it will make him want to sit on his hands for a year and wait for the payoff, if you assume he's being honest about wanting to win things.
Winning the league and CL will surely recoup anything we spend on RvP.
I'm sorry Brophs but you're just plain wrong there. If a club saves 15-20m on a transfer for a player as good as Van Persie, you can bet your arse he'll get a MILES better deal on free, it's a no brainer.
I would add, I don't think he's driven by money anyway. So while he could wait, what would be the point? If he don't commit now, how can he feature ahead of podolski etc....
He wants to win trophies and recognizes city fluked it. Psg play in a 'weak' league. The best thing about Russia is the women. Juve? Why would any pleb sign for a club that have no money and are willing to cheat...I think for RVP, there's no benefit staying and the money has no real appeal.
He wants to win trophies and recognizes city fluked it. Psg play in a 'weak' league. The best thing about Russia is the women. Juve?
Why would any pleb sign for a club that have no money and are willing to cheat...I think for RVP, there's no benefit staying and the money has no real appeal.He's an Arsenal fan that wants to leave the club rather than help them win something. I'd say he's at least partly motivated by money.
Personally I don't think he'll sign a new contract with Arsenal, I think he's lost all faith in Wenger's ability to deliver trophies.
Okay, so give me a rough idea of the figures you think he can get. Let's start from the base figure of around £200k p/w. How much can that be improved by if he goes on a free? Do you reckon someone will pay him £300k p/w? 400k p/w? What about his signing on fee? How much of the £15-20m will he get? Will he get the same length of contract if he's a year older? If he stays at Arsenal on his present wage then he may lose a year of earning at the higher rate.
I agree he'll get more, but there's a limit to what clubs will pay any player. He's not Ronaldo or Messi. Unless the standard is that clubs pay a very large lump of what would have been the transfer fee to the player, in which case I'm obviously wrong.
Striker10, my point was, he may be forced to wait if Arsenal don't accept any offers for him. And I disagree that he would then "resign", I think he'll wait till Jan and assess his options, of which there will be plenty.
The idea that he'd suddenly resign because Arsenal have made a couple of signings make no sense to me, I still expect them to be similar to other years, fighting between 4th and 3rd, something RVP doesn't seem happy with.
They may get him to resign in Jan if they are looking like challengers.
The idea that he'd suddenly resign because Arsenal have made a couple of signings make no sense to me, I still expect them to be similar to other years, fighting between 4th and 3rd, something RVP doesn't seem happy with.
They may get him to resign in Jan if they are looking like challengers.
I'd say Man City or PSG would happily stump up a 10m quid signing on fee to blow United out of the water, and they'd both agree to pay around 250k a week without blinking.
McManaman got a 2 million quid signing on fee back in 1999.
Sol Campbell got 2 million quid PER YEAR.
Pretty sure you'll hear he's a United fan shortly after he signs. Its how they all are
Ramsey was a united fan who turned us down, for Arsenal. Terry was a United fan but 'felt' he belonged at Chelsea. Was he an Arsenal fan growing up? Partly could be like 5%...I think he mainly wants to leave because of Arsenals lack of success. They've gone backwards.
So if he stays at Arsenal for the year he'll get £120k p/w (that's what I've read, but I stand to be corrected) which is around £6.2m per year. At the end of that he gets £10m. (£16m-ish by next year)
Or he moves now for £200k p/w (might be higher, it's hard to know if the reports are correct), which is £10.4m and he gets a signing on fee of £4m, though I think that's conserative (£14.4m-ish).
So the cost to him to stay there for a season (and probably not win anything) is around £1.6m and then around £2.5m per year over the course of the contract. So I'd agree that you're right if he gets the same length of deal but I don't think the difference is so huge if he gets a year less on his deal on account of his age.
But I'm speculating and can't pretend to know enough to speak about this with any sort of authority, so there's not much point in me saying anything more on it.
Aye, easily.
Yes he will be forced to wait
. I don't think he will resign either, but then how does Wenger handle it? Can you play a player who is not committed to the club? Can you play a player over the strikers they've signed? You can't disagree he'll resign as I don't think he will resign... So RVP waits till Jan, but that's not good for Arsenal or the playerSo I think it'll be last minute, which might not be too bad as we have to sell Berbatov anyway.
Who isn't? I think it's fair to say he is leaving Arsenal to win a trophy before he retires, but of course the opportunity is there to cash in as well.
Let's face it almost anyone in his shoes would do the same.
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