Just pay him the fecking money!
Robin van Persie
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Or introduce him to Jorge Mendes. That man owes us a favour.
I really think we will close this one, especially after the string of disappointments for Fergie in recent pursuits.
The player will go where he wishes. At this point in time, it feels like that is United.
Arsenal a in a weak position really. He only has one year on his contract and they are all about money. No way on earth will they lose out on £15m+ plus wages for one season. No way.
He will help the progression of Hernandez and Welbeck, as well as make more attractive to other top players because he truly is one.
Rooney and Van Persie upfront
The player will go where he wishes. At this point in time, it feels like that is United.
Arsenal a in a weak position really. He only has one year on his contract and they are all about money. No way on earth will they lose out on £15m+ plus wages for one season. No way.
He will help the progression of Hernandez and Welbeck, as well as make more attractive to other top players because he truly is one.
Rooney and Van Persie upfront
What is Juventus' current stance on Van Persie?
At some point the folks who run the game are going to have to regulate agents. Good luck to them earning a crust but they are now the most important person in any transfer, beyond the players they 'represent'.
They phoned him.
calm down, dear. It was a joke. The thread was miles off-topic then you made a post that was actually relevant starting with the words "as an aside". Hence my comment.
Ah, apologies. Feel a bit embarrassed now!
Yeah it is IMO, I think Rooney is better than Aguero and by the end of the season Kagawa will be considered just as good as Silva.
I wouldn't swap either player for any of City's two.
I just think you're being wilfully pessimistic. Kagawa was the best player in the Bundesliga last year, yet you are focusing on him being 23 and lacking slightly in experience?
Given how well he seems to have gelled in the pre-season, where he's consistently outshone most of our other players, I can't there being much of an issue.
Welbeck doesn't have all this pressure on him. Our first choice is presumably Kagawa behind Rooney, whereas last season it was Rooney behind Welbeck, so there is less pressure on him this season compared to last.. and less games. That is without factoring in Van Persie who also go ahead of him. Obviously there is a balance needed with young players, but I think Fergie has nailed it already. There is enough games for Welbeck to get some starts, whilst simultaneously he doesn't have the pressure of being our permanent first choice.
Let's reserve judgement on Kagawa- how anyone can judge him on a few pre season run outs is beyond me. . And before all the experts come out and say we've watched him in Germany . The prem league is a different monster completely. Like everyone I want him to do well but I aint overhyping him.
I ALSo feel the hype of cleverly and welbeck is a bit extreme.
As for van Persie he is a goalscorer proven premier league and champions leave class - exactly the player we need.
I ALSo feel the hype of cleverly and welbeck is a bit extreme.
As for van Persie he is a goalscorer proven premier league and champions leave class - exactly the player we need.
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Say what you want about Gillespie, but that post is masterful. I'm not sure I follow it, or agree with what I do understand, but it's a brilliant post nonetheless.
I just hope we can get him for Fergie's sake. He had wanted Sanchez, Hazard, Lucas but failed to get any of them (for whatever reasons). I'm suspecting he wants a world class player to add onto the squad and snatch the title away from City and go out in a blaze of glory
My fault really. I probably should have added one of these
Yeah, same here. He's had too many "nearlys" over the last few years. Must be doing his head in.
Obviously Fergie doesn't agree.
Kagawa already looks like he's settling in well, but we can't take it for granted that he'll get 15+ goals again this season because its a new country and league for him.
Welbeck will get enough games whether we buy Van Persie or not- he's flexible, if he's not playing up front he can play in the hole or on either side of the 3 attacking midfielders. I can see him getting a lot of game time from the left competing with Kagawa in big games since Young is average and Nani inconsistent (even more so on the left). Hernandez may not get enough starts in the league but will certainly get off the bench often enough.
RVP is a short term solution though, we'll get maybe 3-4 good years out of him. He's clearly better than Welbeck currently but he's also 7 or so years older, it's to be expected. Why stall Welbeck's development when he could be a starter for the next 10 years if given plenty of playing time now.
I love that. RVP is a "short term" signing that would give us 3-4 years? 3-4 years is a hell of a long time in football.
Quit the sarcasm. Why do you think Fergie wants the player when he has the promising Hernandez and Welbeck with Berbatov still at the club? Heck even the CAF muppets are unsure what this potential transfer will bring to the team should it go through
As JB7 said... really contradicted yourself there. 4 years aint short term.
I'd happily take 3 years from him before he fecks off for £1.50 to AFC Weymouth or whatever.
So he'll only last until he's 33 according to whoever you were replying to? Didn't a 34 year old win the Champions League for Chelsea last season?
I'm not even sure he would only get 3-4 years out of him. He's not a super speedy player. I reckon, if he doesn't get completely ruined by injuries at an old age, he could easily play well into his mid-30s at the top level.
It is short term when you compare it to the 10 years or so Welbeck (and chicharito) could offer. I'm not saying that adding RVP will necessarily stop that from happening anyway, but it certainly won't help.
Just pay him the fecking money!
That would be the easy way, we do it the man utd way penny pinch until the player fecks off somewhere else
Christ, I mean this is just ridiculous. He's competing on the left with Young, Nani and Kagawa who are all ahead of him in that position. He's behind three players for one spot.
I doubt he'll start even a couple of games on the left all season. Personally I can't see him starting any at all on the left, let alone getting 'a lot of game time'.
I think he will still get games as a striker, when Rooney drops deeper and Kagawa is either rested or played in centre mid, or on the left. So he will obviously be getting games, but that's without Van Persie. If you add him into the mix there's not a hope he will get anything like the 23 league starts he got last season. He'll have dropped from being our second choice striker last season behind Rooney, to becoming fourth choice behind Rooney, Van Persie and Kagawa. There is no question of there being a detrimental impact to his development.
That's not even mentioning Hernandez, who'll drop to fifth choice.
hm..it scars me that there are people opposed to us signing the best player in the league last season.
Ok - £20 million in transfer + £10 million pr year in wages is a lot....but how much did we lose by messing up the C.L ?
Ok - £20 million in transfer + £10 million pr year in wages is a lot....but how much did we lose by messing up the C.L ?
Welbeck will no doubt get 20-25 games a season if v.Persie comes. He's still only 20-21 and Fergie usually bloods his young stars in gradually and gives them a break if needed
The best player in the league in a position that we're very well stocked in.
We are well stocked in wingers yet Fergie wants Lucas in (i know he's young and will bring good resale value and all that)
We aren't even really that well stocked on the wings, it's basically just Young, Nani, and Valencia (Giggs and Kagawa if needed). I have a feeling Valencia will be seeing quite a bit of action at right back anyway. Either way, striker just isn't an area I think we need additions to.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly wouldn't be mad if we got RVP but I don't see the point in it either.
No he won't, not starts at least. It would be at the most 15 IMO.
We aren't though. Owen leaves, Berbatov looks on his way out.
Hernandez looks a bit off form, Welbeck still needs time to develop...that leaves us with Rooney.
£20m+ fee, £4m for his agent, £220k a week for a 3 year contract minimum, that's a lot of dosh.
Three strikers is enough when you add in Kagawa who will surely see plenty of game time playing behind one striker. We essentially played with only three strikers last year anyway with Berba barely featuring.
I'm taking into account v.Persie will miss about 10-15 games if he comes given his injury record
We could go 4-3-3 again. Nani on the left, Rooney up top and v.Persie on the right cutting in
More likely to be Nani on the right, Rooney on the left, and RVP up top, no?
This signing is starting to make more sense, despite the absolute havoc it may cause in terms of squad rotation. Although Rooney is a quality goalscorer, there's something about him that isn't actually a goalscorer...it's difficult to explain. Perhaps it is the movement and the positions that are inhabited, although Rooney is good on both counts.
I think what I'm trying to say is that Van Persie provides an option that we just don't have. We have goals in us no doubt, but I think the Van Persie signing would genuinely make us about twice as threatening. Sometimes for all the width we have we don't get that much out of it, and a player like Van Persie would help with that.
Still have no idea whatsoever how we'll fit Kagawa, him and Rooney into the same team in their ideal positions whilst keeping the team balanced. I'm sure it's possible and that it isn't as simple as this (players will get injured, be rotated etc), but if we could have him and Rooney upfront with Kagawa behind them...fecking hell.
I think what I'm trying to say is that Van Persie provides an option that we just don't have. We have goals in us no doubt, but I think the Van Persie signing would genuinely make us about twice as threatening. Sometimes for all the width we have we don't get that much out of it, and a player like Van Persie would help with that.
Still have no idea whatsoever how we'll fit Kagawa, him and Rooney into the same team in their ideal positions whilst keeping the team balanced. I'm sure it's possible and that it isn't as simple as this (players will get injured, be rotated etc), but if we could have him and Rooney upfront with Kagawa behind them...fecking hell.
Could be but it doesn't really matter. The trio of Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez in 2008 were pretty flexible all over the pitch, we could go the same route again
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