Good grief.
Robin van Persie
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Good grief.
I'd actually be happier if he didn't sign for us, and no, it isn't because of the recent updates, I've thought this way for the entire summer.
I see a sneaky 30m big from PSG soon ( Thats what Arsenal hope for anyways ).
I don't particularly care, but Fergie has always massively rated RVP so I can't see why he won't just pay the £20m. Wasn't our first offer £7m or something stupid?
So let me get this straight . Despite allowing nasri, Ada, clichy and tou're join city they are now ringing up every club in Europe touting rvp to stop him joining a team on the same level as city ?
PSG have surely shot their load at this stage, unless they are basically saying 1) they've got a way around FFP or
2) they don't give a damn about playing in Europe
I think SAF is doing the right thing. Refuse to pay big bucks for a player with one year left on his contract. It's more or less impossible for Arsenal to keep him. If another club comes in with money then so be it. Don't help Arsenal by giving them what they want.
We ain't going to get RvP. Even without any other signings I think that we are good enough to win the title.
He didn't do that with Young.
I mean, if he's willing to pay £18m for Young, how the feck can he not be willing to spend £20m on RVP? Doesn't make sense (assuming we haven't bid that high)
It seems Arsenal simply do not want to sell to us, and if they are forced into it then they will make sure we pay top dollar.
If we've learnt one thing from the Hazard, Moura saga's is the importance of getting deals done quickly. If we really want him then we need to get this deal wrapped asap before City sign him right under our nose and that will be a disaster.
If we've learnt one thing from the Hazard, Moura saga's is the importance of getting deals done quickly. If we really want him then we need to get this deal wrapped asap before City sign him right under our nose and that will be a disaster.
In a sense though, City are out of reach for Arsenal. They can never hope to go toe-to-toe with them as regards spending. But maybe one day they can surpass United if Uniteds finances get screwed. They may see United as a more realistic "rival".
I think he'll go to us. Seems like we are his destination of choice, and in the end I think we'll pay up.
I quite like the idea of having RvP in our team, more so than Lucas tbh. Never really was that interested in him.
I quite like the idea of having RvP in our team, more so than Lucas tbh. Never really was that interested in him.
How can anyone be happier at the thought of us not signing top quality players? I just can't understand that logic Slevs, im not knocking you for it you are entitled to your opinion, but i can't get my head around it personally.
1Omil , and i don't think we have budged from that.
At the end of the day, we can always say no to you. That does play in our favour somewhat.
Who else would pay that much money for Toure, Adebayor, Clichy and even Nasri? Let alone their wage demands. Those offers were silly money, all bar Nasri who chose them because he was going to be paid a whole lot more there than anywhere else.
If United came in with a silly offer like City have (in the past) then we'd be absolutely bonkers not to consider it - and if Wenger likes to do anything during the windows it's sell less for more.
Indeed, if I was an Arse fan I would prefer to see him leave on a free in one years time, than to sell him to us.
It's not very clever though is it?
Another year of paying high wages to a player that wants to leave and will leave for free the following one?
Don'T think LeArse would do that.
Just saying what I would prefer if I was an Arse fan
Exactly, the gulf in class between the 2 is obvious. Young is a good player, not a great one. While RVP is one of the best strikers in the world. SAF will pay up im sure, if he didn't really want RVP i doubt we would have bothered in the first place.
This smacks to me like SAF knows RVP wants to join us and only us, and is using that 'security' to drive a harder bargain. Hope we don't come unstuck by doing this, but that's how it appears to me.
Get used to it Pete.
Its RVP this summer. (Walcott as well but nobody seems to want him-
)Alex Song in summer 2013.
You are a selling club.
I think Arsenal will agree at the last minute. It's not good for Arsenal to keep a player who wants to leave. It's not good for any club. I don't know what victory you get saying yes to city or juve and no to United. It seems a bit petty to me.
If we sell to City, they're already loaded with top players in his position so it wouldn't make much difference.
If we sell to Juve, he's out of the country and can't score against us or help direct rivals.
United may well not be close to Arsenal right now, as shown by the 19 league points, but why would we strengthen a team we're looking to get closer to?
Really? He won't improve City?
Something tells me you'd rate Van Persie a lot higher if he signed a new contract with Arsenal tomorrow...
Crack.
I rate RVP massively, and he would improve City.
However much you might laugh, we still need to refer to United and City as our rivals. We finished 3rd last year, it makes sense that we look to breach the gap to second.
We're not in the habit of strengthening our rivals, but we were forced to sell Nasri to them last year because they put in a stupid bid and he wanted to go. If possible, we won't strengthen two of them.
Yeah, I agree with you then. Selling to United or City is directly detrimental to Arsenal in the season ahead.
Regarding your point about "strengthening your rivals", you've certainly done your bit to help City over the years - selling them Adebayor, Nasri and Clichy. Selling them arguably the best striker in the league on top of that would be just taking the piss. You should really draw a line in the sand at this point, irrespective of the recent rivalry between United and Arsenal.
I'm sure Wenger's preference (and that of every Arsenal fan) would be to sell him abroad. If that's not possible selling him to City, just to spite United, would be seriously short-sighted.
I doubt any of the mods really care what pisses you off.
Ferguson trying to do us over here by going public with the bid, yet wasn't he moaning a few weeks ago when allegedly we leaked it out to the press that they had made an offer for the player? Trying to force the issue here, I can't say I blame him but why he seems so keen on RvP does baffle me. I don't know nearly as much about his team but I would of thought from last season having to bring Scholes back that your main issue is in the centre of midfield rather than upfront where you have Rooney and two very good prospects in Hernandez and Wellbeck with Berbatov providing cover as well.
Naturally we are going to try to get the best deal we can if we want to sell, Ferguson seems quite baffled by this concept. I think we'd rather sell abroad for less than to Man utd or Man City for that matter. I've seen comments here about us selling to Man City and not your lot. If you look at the players they have signed firstly they offered silly amounts and secondly apart from Nasri nobody else came in with an offer even close. I think from what I've read RvP prefers to stay here and will try to force that through and it depends on how badly Wenger wants to keep him.
Also his comments about that Brazilian made me chuckle, cue Man utd fans with their Rooney was a proven player comments. Yeah proven in that he hadn't even got double figures with Everton yet and had a good Euro 2004. Quite how that makes you proven I don't know. Also that was in 2004 and 8 years on transfer fee have moved up a fair bit. Don't get me wrong I think the fee is ridiculous myself but there is a certain irony in Ferguson complaining about overpaying for a player....
Naturally we are going to try to get the best deal we can if we want to sell, Ferguson seems quite baffled by this concept. I think we'd rather sell abroad for less than to Man utd or Man City for that matter. I've seen comments here about us selling to Man City and not your lot. If you look at the players they have signed firstly they offered silly amounts and secondly apart from Nasri nobody else came in with an offer even close. I think from what I've read RvP prefers to stay here and will try to force that through and it depends on how badly Wenger wants to keep him.
Also his comments about that Brazilian made me chuckle, cue Man utd fans with their Rooney was a proven player comments. Yeah proven in that he hadn't even got double figures with Everton yet and had a good Euro 2004. Quite how that makes you proven I don't know. Also that was in 2004 and 8 years on transfer fee have moved up a fair bit. Don't get me wrong I think the fee is ridiculous myself but there is a certain irony in Ferguson complaining about overpaying for a player....
We have to look at what we want.
Could we find a better player for £20mil? I dont think so.
Would a 2 day ban do you or will I perm you?
I dont think we were ever seriously in for RVP.
I don't think he was moaning at all. Just making it very clear that he was only discussing the issue because Arsenal had already brought it out in the open. Otherwise, he could be accused of tapping up - a la Harry Redknapp.
Which is Fergie's point. And they've move up more than "a fair bit" thanks to the likes of PSG.
I'll try to explain. Rooney plays the supporting striker with Kagawa. The top striker position is occupied by 3 players; Welbeck, Hernandez, and Berbatov.
We can have Rooney playing as the top striker with Kagawa as the supporting striker against top class opposition, but for argument's sake, consider Rooney not available for the top striker position.
We played 53 games last season. Welbeck got 40 games, Hernandez got 36, and Berbatov got 21 games.
Again, forget the fact that Rooney can play there as well with Kagawa behind him. You want to add Van Persie, who can only play effectively as a striker up top, to that list of 3 attackers.
Most of you want him to replace Berbatov. That would be perfect, if Berbatov wasn't our peripheral striker. You see, our main strikers in that position are Welbeck and Hernandez, with Berbatov coming into the side only when these two lose form or need a few weeks of rest. You want Van Persie, who will be demanding to play almost every game possible, to play as our peripheral striker? That isn't going to happen. So, you want either one of Hernandez or Welbeck to play as our peripheral striker? That is severely unfair on those two players who have more than justified their presence on the team sheet as starters over the last two seasons.
The way I see it, Van Persie's arrival would severely hamper the development of either one of them, if not bad, Hernandez or Welbeck. I don't want us to purchase a stop-gap solution for 3 years if it means that our young and very promising strikers' developments will be hampered. No thank you.
In my opinion, this will be Berbatov's final season at our club, with Will Keane replacing him in the squad as our back-up striker to both Hernandez and Welbeck.
I know Sir Alex has always said he loves to have 4 strikers, but that when we played a traditional 4-4-2 with two strikers up top. Nowadays, we play with a modified 4-4-2 with the second forward (mainly Rooney) dropping deep and collecting the ball, playing the supporting striker role.
Assuming Van Persie joins and plays regularly for 3 seasons then leaves, then, Hernandez (27), and Welbeck (25) will enter their peak years without any serious first team experience for the past 3 years. Add to that list Will Keane (22), approaching his best playing days with no first team experience.
Don't get me wrong, I admire Van Persie's quality, but I don't want his presence hampering the development of Hernandez and Welbeck. In my opinion, we have enough strikers for the striker up top position.
Irony? It's all he does according to some.
It will end up just like the Moura saga,Utd trying to penny pinch and then some big toy lover will offer more and Fergie will be blaming 'no value' again.
I imagine Kagawa will play all over the place, not just simply behind Rooney.
On the wing, in the centre of midfield, behind Rooney... Fergie is going to get as much as he can out of Kagawa in a variety of different positions, because thats what Fergie does.
Once again, if (still, big if) we get RVP, everyone will still get plenty of games... he's had 4 quality strikers before and it was never a problem, I can't imagine why he'd have such trouble now.
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