Don't worry, that will all change if he comes to us
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Don't worry, that will all change if he comes to us
My gut feeling had always been that he'll stay at Arsenal because no club would be mad enough to take the gamble except Man City who I thought RVP would turn down. If Ferguson takes it on, good luck to him, but it's one of those 50/50s between masterstroke and foolishness.
Arse have a few weeks to decide whether to sell to United now or loose him for nothing next year.
Yeah they have to get rid before they can buy. That's all.
I love how everyone is second guessing Fergie's comments, all coming up with something different.
Also has no one mentioned his injury record, with our physios?
Also has no one mentioned his injury record, with our physios?
@RVP_10
"I have handed in a transfer request. I do not like how coach Wenger looks at me. Please respect my decision."
"I have handed in a transfer request. I do not like how coach Wenger looks at me. Please respect my decision."
Yes, but Brophs rather doom-laden scenario is based on Van Persie being injured a lot.
I can see there's a risk in this signing (if it happens) but I guess a a football fan I'm not too concerned about the financials. Five-year plans are nonsense.
The optimistic take is that Utd finished level on points with City and lost the league on goal difference last season so signing a proven Premier League striker who scored 30 goals last season and showed he can score in big games against top teams might just make the difference.
The reason you lost the league last season was not because of goals. You'll be better this season anyway because Hernandez shall surely improve from looking knackered last year.
RVP would be a luxury signing. If you don't care about the financials, it's a great one. If you do, it's a dodgy one.
As a Utd fan I like Hernandez but do you think he's better than Van Persie?
@RVP_10
"I have handed in a transfer request. I do not like how coach Wenger looks at me. Please respect my decision."
This is 110%, by far, easily, the funniest post I have seen on here.
I reckon RVP is on a level with Rooney, so no. But it's about improving the worst areas of your squad. If you've got the money to improve that midfield and bring in RVP, great. If not, then this is a gross misuse of funds. I'd much rather make Hernandez play a greater role than allow Scholes/Giggs to carry the burden again next year.
It's not doom-laden, nor was it premised on him being injured. That was simply another scenario stapled on at the end. It's a fairly basic analysis of why it would be a risk both from footballing and fianncial perspectives. Every signing is based in "what do I get for what I pay?" Unless you've got a sugar daddy, of course.
Yeahh I agree, seems unnecessary, expensive wages, pretty much confines the younger two to the bench. Especially Chich feck noes how he will get games with Rooney, RVP, Kagawa and Welbeck ahead of him.
Also, in you're 'you'll be better than last season at getting goals' part, I agree we'll improve due to Hernandez and Welbeck coming on, but you've not mentioned Kagawa who is even more important. He'll definitely help us get goals, looks on fire in pre-season.
Not necessarily. What if there aren't any viable midfield targets available? Why not strengthen what you can? It's what we did with the defence. Although it was strong, we had the chance to make it stronger, and took it, and in a few years I see that paying off handsomely.
In any case I do not see us signing him. Nor anyone else for that matter.
Strengthening the defence isn't the same though as Smalling and Jones are young prospects, so it's nothing like buying Van Persie. It's not as if we had our first choice as Vidic and Ferdinand but then decided to buy Thiago Silva, which is what this is more comparable to.
Ugh, I see people in the match thread suggesting RVP might be coming and I see we've had at least ten pages in this thread today... I've a lot of work to do tonight, so can someone summarize the situation and the developments? (I think SAF said something post-match about us bidding and Arsenal wanting to sell to someone else?)
Few players are 'available', you make them available by putting in good offers for them. You were strong in defence, and you have made it stronger, and you could do the same in attack. Seems a bit weird to leave the weakest part out though when you could improve it easily. Spurs would accept £30m for Modric, and for me that's a better way of spending money than £20m on RVP.
Again this seems contradictory.
You're saying that Hernandez isn't as good as RVP who you're putting on a par with the best striker in our squad so that's clearly an improvement.
I'm only looking for a one point improvement so why not muddle through with Giggs/Scholes and maybe hope Tom Cleverley emerges as a main player this season.
Apparently Modric only wants to go to Real Madrid and I can't see Levy accepting £30M. I think they turned down an offer of around that much from Real.
You're not looking for a one point improvement though - you're looking for whatever improvement is required to turn City over. It might be -5 points, or 3 extra points. You don't know.
Cleverley is nowhere near ready, Giggs is looking increasingly dodgy(controversial, but in my view, true) and Scholes can't play regularly.
All I'm saying is that in terms of where you need to improve, midfield is the priority by an absolute mile. And as I say, if you improve both, that's great, but if it's a choice, then it's the opposite.
Well this may be true. Even so, there are other options. Is this not what the scouts are paid for? If I were United, I'd be seriously investigating Sahin, trying to get an option to buy clause in.
Not really. I see your point, but it's more like signing Thiago Silva when seeing he's available at a knock-down price. I see what you're saying, but world class players rarely become available so cheaply.
Fergie said "I can't give you any more information. We have made a bid and they've been trying to negotiate with other clubs. We just have to persevere. Hopefully it will come our way. We're trying our best but there's no progress at this moment in time. I don't have a gut feeling on it at the moment, I must admit. We're not getting any breakthrough with Arsenal. It's difficult to say why they're operating this way. I don't know what their thoughts are because they're not giving anything away."
We're where we were last week + one MEN news story.
Not necessarily. Modric wasn't available last year, they absolutely would not sell him to Chelsea. Now he is available, but he'd most likely cost more money if we bought him than Madrid, which for me, would be ~£35m. That's a massive risk, more so than signing RVP for £20m IMO.
Shut up and get your cocks out muppets.
Hard to disagree with this (even though spurs would probably only accept 35.
Get them both signed I say.
I think Fergie's putting his oar in is quite revealing
It's clear that Arsenal have told Utd to stick their £15m up their arse
They need to get to £25m to succeed
Fergie and the Utd board clearly cannot speak to RVP directly so Fergie has tried to create friction by publicly claiming arsenal are being difficult in the hope that RVP will react badly and put greater pressure on the club to release him
feck off Fergie or pay the price
It's clear that Arsenal have told Utd to stick their £15m up their arse
They need to get to £25m to succeed
Fergie and the Utd board clearly cannot speak to RVP directly so Fergie has tried to create friction by publicly claiming arsenal are being difficult in the hope that RVP will react badly and put greater pressure on the club to release him
feck off Fergie or pay the price
But you're just describing all the same 'midfield problems' that you talked about all last season when we lost the league on goal difference.
Perhaps you might be right about RVP not being the difference in Utd overhauling City but surely someone with your negative outlook can see the benefit to last season's runner's-up in taking the 3rd place team's best player.
I think its clear that someone is a bit overtired and needs to get his head down for the night.
I think its clear that someone is a bit overtired and needs to get his head down for the night.
Who's stopping you?
@RVP_10
"I have handed in a transfer request. I do not like how coach Wenger looks at me. Please respect my decision."
Looks like van Persie has told him then.
Nobody's willing to stump up £25m. Sell or risk losing him on a free, seems a no brainer considering we're not even on pitch rivals anymore. Let the the man have his dream move to United.
If the fee stays at £15m it's clear he'll stay at Arsenal
I reckon £22m will do it......what's the worst that could happen?
He stays and goes on a free next year...at least we don't need to pay him the increased offer we made which is a saving
Who will want him next year? You guys? Maybe the moment will have passed.....the guy is 29.......he doesn't have the strongest hand like a younger Nasri last year
Well done Arse Board......keep playing hard ball!
An eternity if you are 29 going on 30
It'll cost you 15-20m, worth risking? And he'll probably just go through the motions... seems illogical to keep hold of him.
12 months is possibly a Premier League title. Who knows maybe even a Champions League.
I guess it's different for teams who are expected to win trophies.
How can you be sure we've made a bid of 15m quid? And I reckon he'll have more clubs chasing him next year.
Well, exactly.
Arsenal are at least as likely to win a big pot as Man Utd next year. IF RvP goes it's for the cash.
Arse have royally cocked up here. They could have offered him a new contract earlier on, and allowed him to write his name in the Club history books, becoming a legend in the process.
Instead, the greedy feckwits held out for their parent club, City to provide them with their annual wad of cash.
Only they then pissed the player off by doing so, and now City are toning down the financial doping, that leaves perennial skintarses United as the only viable option.
Inevitably,this will leave Arse with a player who doesn't want to be there, staying another year, then buggering off for nothing
Nice work
Instead, the greedy feckwits held out for their parent club, City to provide them with their annual wad of cash.
Only they then pissed the player off by doing so, and now City are toning down the financial doping, that leaves perennial skintarses United as the only viable option.
Inevitably,this will leave Arse with a player who doesn't want to be there, staying another year, then buggering off for nothing
Nice work
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