Robin van Persie

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Count Orduck said:
Wayne Rooney's fee for his transfer from Everton to Manchester United in 2004 at age 18:
£26,500,000

Adjusted for inflation to today's market:
£31,744,000.

And finally, converted to euros:
€40,200,000

So that's a WHOPPING €4,800,000 less than what PSG have paid for Moura. Funny how the game's only "gone mad" when it's not us blowing other teams out of the water by overpaying for players.
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... except Wayne Rooney was proven in the Premier League, is a striker, and had just produced one of the most exciting teenage tournament performances in history. Not to mention he's English, which means a great deal domestically.

Moura has shown huge promise but has not even consistently produced the goods in an inferior league. He may well turn into a world beater, but to compare the fee to Rooney's for justification is hugely misleading.
 
mightberight said:
... except Wayne Rooney was proven in the Premier League, is a striker, and had just produced one of the most exciting teenage tournament performances in history. Not to mention he's English, which means a great deal domestically.

Moura has shown huge promise but has not even consistently produced the goods in an inferior league. He may well turn into a world beater, but to compare the fee to Rooney's for justification is hugely misleading.
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I agree with this.
 
Count Orduck said:
Wayne Rooney's fee for his transfer from Everton to Manchester United in 2004 at age 18:
£26,500,000

Adjusted for inflation to today's market:
£31,744,000.

And finally, converted to euros:
€40,200,000

So that's a WHOPPING €4,800,000 less than what PSG have paid for Moura. Funny how the game's only "gone mad" when it's not us blowing other teams out of the water by overpaying for players.
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Euro was a lot weaker then, we didn't spend that much.
 
mightberight said:
... except Wayne Rooney was proven in the Premier League, is a striker, and had just produced one of the most exciting teenage tournament performances in history. Not to mention he's English, which means a great deal domestically.

Moura has shown huge promise but has not even consistently produced the goods in an inferior league. He may well turn into a world beater, but to compare the fee to Rooney's for justification is hugely misleading.
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Plus the fee was accelerated after Newcastle United showed interest. Anyway when it comes to English players, they come at a premium price.
 
i am surprise that we are actually really trying to sign rvp. all these while i thought it was just rumours,

anyway this is not and never going to be easy. understandably arsenal are reluctant to sell, especially to a rival like us.
 
ricky-romeo said:
i am surprise that we are actually really trying to sign rvp. all these while i thought it was just rumours,

anyway this is not and never going to be easy. understandably arsenal are reluctant to sell, especially to a rival like us.
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They're as much of a Rival to us as West Brom are to City.
;p
 
We're going to have to bite the bullet and pays what it takes, for once. Even RVP, apparently, letting Juventus know that negotiations with United are at an advanced stage suggests that he wouldn't mind going to Juve at all. I doubt it was just a courtesy call.
 
Realistically how many years do people think we will get out of him should this happen? The player is 29, if he played over 100 games for utd we would have done well. I cannot see the logic in paying an eight figure sum for this guy, especially given his terrible injury record.
 
Brophs said:
Those quotes tell me we won't be signing Van Persie. They're obviously not willing to sell to us and I can see them keeping him for the season if they can't get the deal they want elsewhere.
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Fergie doesn't sound very optimistic. But would Arsenal turn down £20M just to keep him from a domestic rival for one year?

Our usual form in these situations is to try to strong-arm the selling club, and if we insult Arsenal with a lowball bid, we might just provoke them to act against their own financial best interests. Our record of heavy-handed stupidity in the transfer market has few equals.
 
Flipping hell Fergie just make it know to everyone that Arsenal don't want to sell to us *cough* Other clubs come in!!
 
evra said:
Realistically how many years do people think we will get out of him should this happen? The player is 29, if he played over 100 games for utd we would have done well. I cannot see the logic in paying an eight figure sum for this guy, especially given his terrible injury record.
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It'd be a bloody stupid signing. That's not to say it won't work, but the chances are too low for it to be sensible.
 
Not really excited by Van Persie, doesn't really make any sense signing a player who is hitting 30's soon especially considering the progress Welbeck has been making and with a very decent back up in Chicharito - it all seems a bit weird.

Really hope we get another good Midfielder before the window is closed.
 
I really don't understand why Wenger digs his heels in when it comes to selling to us but seems so comfortable selling to a club that has completely overtaken his own.

Why supply City with all the ammunition to usurp your own side and then vehemently refuse to sell to a club already of a higher standard?

Either way, this just feels all too difficult a deal to pull off...
 
alastair said:
It'd be a bloody stupid signing. That's not to say it won't work, but the chances are too low for it to be sensible.
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And what's "work"? How are the chances low? He's not a player who relies on pace. He could easily play five years at an elite level injury permitting, and 20 million pounds in today's market is easily worth that risk.
 
Red Pavan said:
Not really excited by Van Persie, doesn't really make any sense signing a player who is hitting 30's soon especially considering the progress Welbeck has been making and with a very decent back up in Chicharito - it all seems a bit weird.

Really hope we get another good Midfielder before the window is closed.
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You need more than one
 
alastair said:
It'd be a bloody stupid signing. That's not to say it won't work, but the chances are too low for it to be sensible.
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Why do you think it would stupid Alistair? Do you think Van Persie isn't as good as Welbeck and Hernandez?
 
rocks13 said:
Why do you think it would stupid Alistair? Do you think Van Persie isn't as good as Welbeck and Hernandez?
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To be fair to al it's probably the reasonable view that he's been injury prone for feck knows how long so we'll be paying daft money for someone for our physio to chat to, mixed a touch of the normal fan's reaction of "feck him he was never that good anyway".
 
evra said:
Sounds incredibly optimistic to me.
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Why? Look at what Sheringham did, for however good he was, was not as good as RVP is. Bergkamp at l'Arse, the technical wizardry of Scholes still proving he is a level above most. I don't think a player should be written off just because he hits 30, it doesn't work like that.
 
Bit of a masterstroke by SAF this.


When the deal inevitably falls through he'll be able to convey to fans / potential ST holders that:

(a) we can still pay large sums allegedly (reports have said we've met the valuation)
(b) we still try to sign the top players (current POTY no less)
(c) the fans won't be too bothered because he's a forward and we didn't really need one....'It would have been nice to get Van Persie, but Arsenal wouldn't sell to us....well at least we have Hernandez and Welbeck coming through...etc....etc'
 
Brophs said:
To be fair to al it's probably the reasonable view that he's been injury prone for feck knows how long so we'll be paying daft money for someone for our physio to chat to, mixed a touch of the normal fan's reaction of "feck him he was never that good anyway".
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But the other side of that is surely that he's been injury free for the last couple of seasons, Arsenal fans have told us all along that he's the best striker around and that Alistair was justifying Liverpool's transfer dealings last summer by telling us that you can't really buy much for £20 million these days.
 
I think the quotes tell us that:

a) RVP wants to come here
b) Arsenal would prefer to sell to anyone but us, just as Wenger said with Nasri last year.

The ace here is the player himself, if he refuses all other teams over the next couple of weeks, he'll be a United player I reckon. I can't see him starting the season there.
 
rocks13 said:
But the other side of that is surely that he's been injury free for the last couple of seasons, Arsenal fans have told us all along that he's the best striker around and that Alistair was justifying Liverpool's transfer dealings last summer by telling us that you can't really buy much for £20 million these days.
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I don't think I ever said you couldn't buy much for £20m these days - even it is were the case, Downing's still worth about thruppence.

He's a quality striker, absolutely excellent last season. But we were fortunate he stayed fit, and when you spend that amount of money on someone who is prone to injury as much as he is, it's not a good move, for me. I'd love him to stay though, injuries or no injuries. He's quality to have around.
 
mightberight said:
Why? Look at what Sheringham did, for however good he was, was not as good as RVP is. Bergkamp at l'Arse, the technical wizardry of Scholes still proving he is a level above most. I don't think a player should be written off just because he hits 30, it doesn't work like that.
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I think you are talking about players who were the exception rather than the rule. It's just as likely that he spends the next four years being injury prone and losing his pace (which is more important to him than you suggest). I think it's a crazy signing, 20million would be ridiculous for a player of his age and injury record.
 
My opinion was that Van Persie would end up staying at Arsenal (Check the I told you so thread) but with Arsenal still listening to offers, it seems that he in fact will be leaving Arsenal.

Where this story gets strange for me is that City have ruled themselves out. City clearly wanted him and if they can't get him with their money, something has to be up. I'd think if Arsenal are resigned to losing someone they'd sell him to whoever offers the most money and from Van Persie's perspective joining City gives him the same chance of winning a trophy as it would at United.
 
Van Persie has too much class to join City. Also, they haven't shifted anyone yet so can't really sign him until they do.

If you sign him, I reckon it'll be Berbatov all over again, but worse. Quality player, wrong move, wrong time.
 
alastair said:
I don't think I ever said you couldn't buy much for £20m these days - even it is were the case, Downing's still worth about thruppence.

He's a quality striker, absolutely excellent last season. But we were fortunate he stayed fit, and when you spend that amount of money on someone who is prone to injury as much as he is, it's not a good move, for me. I'd love him to stay though, injuries or no injuries. He's quality to have around.
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Ok, I think it was more that you said that £20 million isn't really a big fee for a player now. Can't really be bothered to trawl through your posts to find it - I'm sure you remember.

Personally, I don't really believe Utd will get him but I can't see how it could be described as a shit signing if they do. It's a bit inconsistent to say he be a terrible signing for Utd but you'd love him to stay at Arsenal.
 
rocks13 said:
But the other side of that is surely that he's been injury free for the last couple of seasons, Arsenal fans have told us all along that he's the best striker around and that Alistair was justifying Liverpool's transfer dealings last summer by telling us that you can't really buy much for £20 million these days.
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One season. The one before be missed quite a few games, I think.

£20m's not the figure, though. On this deal, if the figures are right then he wants the same deal as Rooney is allegedly on: £220k p/w. so say we give him a three year deal that's just shy of £11.5m per year. So you commit somewhere in the region of £20m + £34m ish + things like loyalty bonuses and signing on fees which you safely assume will be £3m or so (and that's a very conservative estimate. So the three year deal now costs £57m but you have no resale value. You can raise that by another £11.5 if we give him a four year deal. if he spends a good portion of that time injured then you're bearing a much heavier burden again as you may have to pay to replace him. And if not he'd have to be pretty successful to justify that sort of outlay.
 
rocks13 said:
Ok, I think it was more that you said that £20 million isn't really a big fee for a player now. Can't really be bothered to trawl through your posts to find it - I'm sure you remember.

Personally, I don't really believe Utd will get him but I can't see how it could be described as a shit signing if they do. It's a bit inconsistent to say he be a terrible signing for Utd but you'd love him to stay at Arsenal.
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It's not inconsistent at all, I don't think.

The initial outlay of £20m upwards would be ridiculous when you could bide your time and get him next year for nothing. Basically Brophs' post depicts the financial side of things perfectly.

Since we wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee, given he's our player, it makes sense it'd be nice to keep him. He's a world class player, but not a world class signing.
 
I'm always right said:
I think the quotes tell us that:

a) RVP wants to come here
b) Arsenal would prefer to sell to anyone but us, just as Wenger said with Nasri last year.

The ace here is the player himself, if he refuses all other teams over the next couple of weeks, he'll be a United player I reckon. I can't see him starting the season there.
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the first point you make is the important one

unless RVP gets an offer that really turns his head and he sticks to his desire to join us then it will happen

might take a couple of weeks but it will happen
 
alastair said:
Van Persie has too much class to join City. Also, they haven't shifted anyone yet so can't really sign him until they do.

If you sign him, I reckon it'll be Berbatov all over again, but worse. Quality player, wrong move, wrong time.
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I'm thinking that too, but Van Persie is a better player than Berbatov ever has been. I think it's a case of Ferguson being stubborn and ignoring/accepting any of the potential negatives, just because he really likes him.

We know exactly how much we'll need to pay for him, but maybe we're waiting for Juventus drop out first
 
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