Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Another article designed to soften us up for the sale of Van Persie in the summer?

At this point it would not surprise me if we got shot of Robin. However, to also sell Hernandez..? That article goes on and on about needing a pacey runner to stretch defences and yet its almost a foregone conclusion that Chicharito, the fastest and best runner we have, will be off come June.
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Yes, but Chicharito offers nothing other than his speed and goal scoring ability. There's a reason he doesn't get picked much anymore.
 
I guess the statement is: "Don't even think of coming here if you're one of those fancy-dan 'technical' players."
 
I like the way the "Journalist" points out that Van Nistelrooy scored 150 goals in 219 games. Then comes out with this little gem.

But just like Van Nistelrooy, maybe Van Persie will ultimately prove to be a star than shines brightly, but briefly, at Old Trafford.
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Brightly but briefly, those brief 219 games!

I think he got carried away with his own bullshit.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I like the way the "Journalist" points out that Van Nistelrooy scored 150 goals in 219 games. Then comes out with this little gem.



Brightly but briefly, those brief 219 games!

I think he got carried away with his own bullshit.
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I know, it was so hyperbolic.
 
If he wants to go then let him. There is something about him that I cant quite put my finger on, its almost as if he can't be arsed.
 
Stookie said:
If he wants to go then let him. There is something about him that I cant quite put my finger on, its almost as if he can't be arsed.
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What's even weirder is sometimes he looks like he really cares too. He has these little spouts of passion and love for everyone then ends up looking lost on the pitch.
 
Would be a funny statement of intent if Moyes did sell him.

Sir Alex signs RVP, wins title. Getting rid of Rooney.

Moyes comes in, signs Rooney, loses title, getting rid of RVP
 
That article was total bullshit and strapped too many balls onto David Moyes. He's simply not that type. Though not many would complain if RvP didn't start at Liverpool or got sold in summer, there's no way Moyes would be dropping him, or intentionally offloading him.

I still don't understand what RvP's 'tactical' problems exactly are, if we play similar to those CP and WBA games. As long as Rooney doesn't keep running into him like at Fulham, I see no place for complaint.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
What's even weirder is sometimes he looks like he really cares too. He has these little spouts of passion and love for everyone then ends up looking lost on the pitch.
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He's a baby, his mentality is all wrong. When it's going good he's fine, but when we/he struggles then he visibly sulks, looks disinterested or lashes out at opponents.
 
If we do sell him, it better not be in the PL. He's still good enough to win a title where he goes.
 
If he goes, he goes. Same as Rooney last year we'll survive and thrive.
 
It's an interesting situation. I think the fact is that even Ferguson never intended to get them both working together so it's no surprise that Moyes can't.

We signed Kagawa and Van Persie that summer. It's as clear as day Ferguson saw what was a coming with Rooney and looked to replace him early and did exactly that by signing top quality players to cover both the positions he plays for us. Striker and Number 10.

He then went on to focus our play around Van Persie moving Rooney deeper and deeper and making him less and less happy to the point that he asked to leave, obviously unhappy that Van Persie is now our golden boy striker and I think if Fergie was in charge he'd have let a transfer happen.


Then Moyes takes over and the situation changes. Letting Rooney go would have been a massive mistake in his first year and he assesses the situation and sees a 31 year old RVP and a 28 year old Rooney ad decides he can't let Rooney go and as a result has to keep him happy by playing him further forward to the annoyance of Van Persie who had become used to the team revolving around him.

Fergie leaving upset Van Persie, that's clear, now his fears are confirmed when not only are we not winking the trophies he came here for but also he's no longer being treated as the star man. You can understand why it's fraustrating him.
 
It would be extremely disappointing if we were to lose a player of his quality, especially as we need to add to what we've got rather than replace it. We'd surely need to buy another striker if he were to leave which would be added expense.
 
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Wouldn't be that unhappy if we sell him. It is clear that his partnership with Rooney is inexistent and is harmful for the team. Of course, I would have preferred to sell Rooney and keep Van Persie because RVP is better than Rooney in almost everything and certainly a much better striker, but with Rooney extending his contract that won't happen now.
 
I would happily see him go this season.

He is obviously a fantastic striker and player in general but, he has clearly got an issue with the club right now. His attitude during the game yesterday was awful - was he trying to get sent off ffs? If he left right now, it would give Rooney an opportunity to be the #1 striker at the club and allow Welbeck to assert himself on a regular basis. I would sooner have a 23 year old fresh prince who wants to be at the club, rather than a 30 year old pissed of Dutch man who is gathering more headlines the club in general.

Not to mention the game time that Kagawa would get from this...
 
Gaeilge said:
I would happily see him go this season.

He is obviously a fantastic striker and player in general but, he has clearly got an issue with the club right now. His attitude during the game yesterday was awful - was he trying to get sent off ffs? If he left right now, it would give Rooney an opportunity to be the #1 striker at the club and allow Welbeck to assert himself on a regular basis. I would sooner have a 23 year old fresh prince who wants to be at the club, rather than a 30 year old pissed of Dutch man who is gathering more headlines the club in general.

Not to mention the game time that Kagawa would get from this...
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Agreed.

In a perfect world I would like him to get his issues sorted out but if not, he knows where the door is. He was great for us and did te job Fergie bought him for. And as you say, it could be a blessing in disguise and we could get more out of players by pushing Rooney up front.
 
Gaeilge said:
I would happily see him go this season.

He is obviously a fantastic striker and player in general but, he has clearly got an issue with the club right now. His attitude during the game yesterday was awful - was he trying to get sent off ffs? If he left right now, it would give Rooney an opportunity to be the #1 striker at the club and allow Welbeck to assert himself on a regular basis. I would sooner have a 23 year old fresh prince who wants to be at the club, rather than a 30 year old pissed of Dutch man who is gathering more headlines the club in general.

Not to mention the game time that Kagawa would get from this...
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Agreed.
 
Not agreed.

RvP is in that elite class of strikers (Falcao, Cavani, Ibra etc.) and we are lucky to have him. We need to base our team around him to get the best out of him as he has the ability to dominate the best defences. Letting him go would be a very poor move as he has another 2 (maybe 3) seasons at this level. For all those saying he's too old look at Ibra.

Rooney isn't at that level as a striker, and although he is a talented player, he's not as good as RvP. That's the facts of the matter.
 
Robin van Persie has revealed that his propensity to question managers is just his way to keep learning as a player.

The Dutchman has played under a lot of eminent coaches during his tenure as a footballer, which includes the likes of Arsene Wenger, under whom he spent eight years, followed by a one-year stint with Sir Alex Ferguson and is currently deployed under the guidance of new Manchester United manager David Moyes.

For his national team, he played under Bert van Marwijk who has also had a lasting influence on his career.

The 30-year-old has failed to live up to expectations this season and has been linked with a move out of the club, with Moyes reportedly looking at other targets.

After a successful 30-goal season with former manager Sir Alex Ferguson, when he helped United win the Premier League trophy, the past year has been stunted by a series of injuries, which has been accredited to Moyes' training methods.

The Holland international also had a similar confrontation with Wenger in his final year at Arsenal, when he released a statement, stating that the club's direction had forced him to reconsider signing a new contract.

"As I have got older and more experienced, I have become more sensitive to what my coaches are doing. I want to know why we are we doing this or why are we training like that. I did not ask those kinds of questions when I was a young player, but now I find it interesting to study why my coaches are making certain decisions," van Persie said.

"I want to know why they do things and why they say things to the players, and why they want to play a certain way. I think much more about all those things at this stage of my career. I watch the managerial process all of the time.

"I have had a lot of changes in coaches over the last couple of seasons. I was eight years with Arsene Wenger, at Arsenal, and, with Holland, it was a similar steady situation with Bert van Marwijk. Now, in the last 18 months, I changed from Arsene to Sir Alex and now to David Moyes. With Holland, after Van Marwijk, I have Louis van Gaal, who is a fantastic coach. I won't put one above the other, but I have learnt really good things from each one of them," he concluded.
 
We simply lack the midfield to support a 2 men forward line. Its that simple. A 3 men cm with mata and januzaj on the flanks and Rooney upfront would make us tougher to beat
 
Revan said:
Wouldn't be that unhappy if we sell him. It is clear that his partnership with Rooney is inexistent and is harmful for the team. Of course, I would have preferred to sell Rooney and keep Van Persie because RVP is better than Rooney in almost everything and certainly a much better striker, but with Rooney extending his contract that won't happen now.
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I'd agree with this. I really do think that Van Persie is the best out and out forward in the game. His hold up play is, at times, just genius. But with Rooney signing a new contract, and given that no amount of money will make them a good partnership, one of them has to go. Given the circumstances, that person will have to be Van Persie, as he's far too good to be sat on the bench. Ideally, we'd build around Rooney as the central striker and use Mata, Januzaj, Kagawa and players of that ilk in behind him. Or, we could finish as we did yesterday but with Danny up top instead. The Cavani rumours probably have some weight, too. Either scenario would be fine as they at least have the dynamism to work with Rooney. Sadly, Van Persie doesn't.
 
Uzz said:
Not agreed.

RvP is in that elite class of strikers (Falcao, Cavani, Ibra etc.) and we are lucky to have him. We need to base our team around him to get the best out of him as he has the ability to dominate the best defences. Letting him go would be a very poor move as he has another 2 (maybe 3) seasons at this level. For all those saying he's too old look at Ibra.

Rooney isn't at that level as a striker, and although he is a talented player, he's not as good as RvP. That's the facts of the matter.
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We are a faster, more attractive looking team without him playing though. I'm not basing this on 20 minutes yesterday - more so, on my overall opinion of the player/situation. I feel as though there is a distinct lack of either desire to play for or, respect for Moyes with regard to RvP. There are two completely different players with RvP - the Robin of last year under SAF and the Robin of this year under Moyes.

I'm not denying that he is in the class you have stated, he is a world class striker. Problem with continental 'World-Class players' like Ibra for example, is a distinct toys out of pram attitude. Disregarding the obvious fact of him being a technically gifted footballer, his comments recently to Dutch media were like that of a spoilt child. I disagree that we need to build our team around him. We should instead be building our team around one of (if not all of) our technically gifted small men - ie; Januzaj - Mata - Kagawa. Doing that would inevitably create chances for our team. Rooney would thrive in that environment. As would Danny.
 
Pexbo said:
It's an interesting situation. I think the fact is that even Ferguson never intended to get them both working together so it's no surprise that Moyes can't.

We signed Kagawa and Van Persie that summer. It's as clear as day Ferguson saw what was a coming with Rooney and looked to replace him early and did exactly that by signing top quality players to cover both the positions he plays for us. Striker and Number 10.

He then went on to focus our play around Van Persie moving Rooney deeper and deeper and making him less and less happy to the point that he asked to leave, obviously unhappy that Van Persie is now our golden boy striker and I think if Fergie was in charge he'd have let a transfer happen.


Then Moyes takes over and the situation changes. Letting Rooney go would have been a massive mistake in his first year and he assesses the situation and sees a 31 year old RVP and a 28 year old Rooney ad decides he can't let Rooney go and as a result has to keep him happy by playing him further forward to the annoyance of Van Persie who had become used to the team revolving around him.

Fergie leaving upset Van Persie, that's clear, now his fears are confirmed when not only are we not winking the trophies he came here for but also he's no longer being treated as the star man. You can understand why it's fraustrating him.
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Good post. Makes so much sense.
 
He's 30/31. He's just tasted the sweet victory of winning a title - he'll want more. He won't get it within the next couple of years I don't think. In which case, he'll leave to grab another league title or two before he retires.

It makes sense. He's off in the Summer.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Good post. Makes so much sense.
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To add to it, Fergie hinted in his book that he doesn't see Rooney playing as a top player much beyond 30. I think his view was very much cash in now when he has value and start planning without him.

It's a massive call and one I think Fergie had to make. Expecting Moyes to come in and make a decision as brave as that was very harsh.
 
Pexbo said:
To add to it, Fergie hinted in his book that he doesn't see Rooney playing as a top player much beyond 30. I think his view was very much cash in now when he has value and start planning without him.

It's a massive call and one I think Fergie had to make. Expecting Moyes to come in and make a decision as brave as that was very harsh.
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From the way SAF had talked DM up, plus all the media portraits of him during the summer, I think at least a few people thought the latter would prove every bit as in tune with the club's roots/philosophy.
 
Sell RVP, a PL proven title winner, so Kagawa can get more game time?

Ok.
 
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