Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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I didn't say they don't get along. Since you are asking Moyes to sort out the problem with Van Persie, you are hinting they don't talk about it. I was just pointing you out about it.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/07/robin-van-persie-manchester-united-david-moyes
No, these are seperate issues.

People are saying RVP and Moyes don't talk to each other, which nonsense.

On the other hand, RVP was talking about tactical problems where players were going into his positions. Thus I said Moyes should sort that out. But flying together hits two birds with one stone: dismaying any any stories that they are not getting along and also working on the tactical side of things.
 
No, these are seperate issues.

People are saying RVP and Moyes don't talk to each other, which nonsense.

On the other hand, RVP was talking about tactical problems where players were going into his positions. Thus I said Moyes should sort that out. But flying together hits two birds with one stone: dismaying any any stories that they are not getting along and also working on the tactical side of things.
Maybe not;)
 
"I couldn't reply to that and I wouldn't know how Ronald de Boer would know that," Moyes said. "I travelled back from the [Holland] game with Robin the other night. I went to the game, watched them play and travelled back with him. I hardly feel I need to answer the question."
 
Me neither. Selling a player who's goals won the PL by this time last year would be absolute madness. He is also 1 of the quartet of United's best technical forward players.(Mata,Kagawa,Januzaj being the others.) Losing him and possibly Kagawa in the summer, I dread to think the kind of football United will be serving up next season considering how bad it is this season.
 
Its funny how some posters have sharpened their knives for RVP when he's privately made it known that he's unhappy with our static, uninspiring setup. Yet when Rooney whines and hands out transfer requests left, right and centre (for which Gollum has was consequently rewarded him with a 300k contract for his troubles), then its not as big an issue.

Not a big issue when Rooney does it? Have you had a sudden bout of amnesia or something or have you forgotten about him being boo'ed at the parade last year and the majority on here going fecking mental about it?
 
He wouldn't even have to consider it a failure if he left in the summer. He came here to work under SAF and win the Premier League - both of which he did. If he then chooses to move on because he doesn't fancy being part of a rebuilding project, then so be it. He met his aims here; time to set some new ones elsewhere.

Note, that's not how I feel about things (it's been well-noted that I'd much rather have seen Rooney shipped out last summer and kept RvP happy), but that could well be his mindset on the issue.

Exactly. He made no secret that he joined because he wanted to win trophies. He's done that. Now I expect him to leave for the same reason, because we're not winning anything of note for a while.
 
goodness, if all players did that it would be one hell of a merry-go-round....

Slightly different with RVP though given he made it clear that was the reason he was joining.
 
goodness, if all players did that it would be one hell of a merry-go-round....

There's an element of truth to that, but Van Persie's already shown a willingness to force his way out a club when he wants something, and that was from a club he owed a lot more loyalty to than us. We're not the club he spent nine years at like Arsenal; we're just a club that he came to to win trophies. Which he's now done.
 
Slightly different with RVP though given he made it clear that was the reason he was joining.

yes probably right.

..therefore I'm not really bothered if he leaves, because I've never really seen him as a 'united' player...if you get my drift. Bit like the 'stranger' in those Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns....!
 
There's an element of truth to that, but Van Persie's already shown a willingness to force his way out a club when he wants something, and that was from a club he owed a lot more loyalty to than us. We're not the club he spent nine years at like Arsenal; we're just a club that he came to to win trophies. Which he's now done.

Exactly.
 
There's an element of truth to that, but Van Persie's already shown a willingness to force his way out a club when he wants something, and that was from a club he owed a lot more loyalty to than us. We're not the club he spent nine years at like Arsenal; we're just a club that he came to to win trophies. Which he's now done.

That, coupled with De Boer's comments....

I have said it recently and I stand by it - I reckon there is a serious chance that he'll be gone come Summer. If he wants to go, I say let him go. Class player obviously but, if he leaves - Welbeck and Kagawa will have an opportunity to flourish.
 


Sounds like we're not the only one annoyed with RVP's attitude.
 
Imagine Moyes dropped RVP and united lost a couple of games ! Imagine dropping him with Liverpool coming up !

Moyes is on a no win here if RVP is unsettled, drop him and hes lambasted if results don't turn, persist with him and he is lambasted for not being a strong manager!
 
Needs to get his head out of his arse and start giving us some movement upfront.
 
Needs to get his head out of his arse and start giving us some movement upfront.

I've covered it above, Van Persie's runs are of the subtle kind. He doesn't have Welbeck's athleticism, his body doesn't allow it. The notion that his movement is poor, given his variety of goals, is a little funny.

Whether or not we suffer as a result of his kind of movement is a different debate altogether.
 
He was doing okay but was risking getting sent off, so taking him off was smart. I don't think him and Rooney can play together effectively ever, but both are world class so of course you'll want to persist and hope they make it happen. Can see him leaving this summer though.
 
In the last 6 league games, RvP has 4 goals 1 assist. Rooney has 2 goals 1 assist.

Not intended as criticism of Rooney, but RvP still offers a hell of a lot even when he's not on song. It's worth playing him for that reason, and because sooner or later he'll tear someone apart.
 
I've covered it above, Van Persie's runs are of the subtle kind. He doesn't have Welbeck's athleticism, his body doesn't allow it. The notion that his movement is poor, given his variety of goals, is a little funny.

Whether or not we suffer as a result of his kind of movement is a different debate altogether.

His runs are subtle, but they're the kind of runs that give him space in order to create chances for himself. Welbeck makes the simple runs that drag defenders with him, so that space is created for others. If we played Barca's style of retaining possession and applying pressure in the final third then it would be perfect. But we need all the help we can get at the moment.
 
His runs are subtle, but they're the kind of runs that give him space in order to create chances for himself. Welbeck makes the simple runs that drag defenders with him, so that space is created for others. If we played Barca's style of retaining possession and applying pressure in the final third then it would be perfect. But we need all the help we can get at the moment.

I agree with that. But criticising what is arguably the best out and out forward in the game for making runs to create goalscoring opportunities for himself is a little odd, don't you think?

The team certainly benefits from Welbeck's presence, but the idea that Van Persie offers no movement is just bollocks.
 
I agree with that. But criticising what is arguably the best out and out forward in the game for making runs to create goalscoring opportunities for himself is a little odd, don't you think?

I'm not criticising him, all I'm saying is that we don't have the players/playing style to utilise his movement. At times this season he has been feeding off scraps and perhaps Welbeck is the best player to make the most out of those situations.
 
I'm not criticising him, all I'm saying is that we don't have the players/playing style to utilise his movement. At times this season he has been feeding off scraps and perhaps Welbeck is the best player to make the most out of those situations.

I know you weren't, KM was. I agree with your last point, Welbeck is certainly more involved in the build up play and his athleticism is a great help.
 
Just one game, it'd be great to see Rooney 'rested' and one of Mata/Kagawa behind RvP, feeding him fat sitters from all angles.

Come on, DM. Deep down you know you want to try it. For anyone at any level in the sport, the possibility of watching that scheme click has got to be like the allure of some sort of football heroin. It's just that you're keenly aware that if it works - which it quite likely will - you'll have a huge issue to deal with.
 
Just one game, it'd be great to see Rooney 'rested' and one of Mata/Kagawa behind RvP, feeding him fat sitters from all angles.

It's something we need to experiment with this season while there's realistically nothing to play for, but Moyes probably still feels we can get 4th and he's going to play it as safe as possible I feel.
 
It's something we need to experiment with this season while there's realistically nothing to play for, but Moyes probably still feels we can get 4th and he's going to play it as safe as possible I feel.

You're being too greedy! Just one game. Please, DM.

Would it help if us fans wrote a rousing open letter that ended on an extremely ambiguous stumble.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...tent-about-Manchester-Uniteds-future.htmlhtml

David Moyes could sell Robin van Persie to make a statement of intent about Manchester United's future

It has taken nine months for David Moyes to assert his authority on Manchester United’s under-performing squad, but the Scot finally displayed an iron fist with a public slap down of Robin van Persie at The Hawthorns.

On the ground where Sir Alex Ferguson waved farewell to management last May, Moyes took a huge stride towards settling into his predecessor’s shoes with an unmistakeable display of authority to his sulking Dutchman.

Van Persie, skating on thin ice having been booked and then warned by referee Jon Moss for reckless challenges, was clearly unhappy to be replaced by Danny Welbeck on the hour mark, shaking his head as he trudged off the pitch, but Moyes had no other option even if he later said he had planned before the match not to give Van Persie the full 90 minutes.

The fact that the 30-year-old had offered little during his time on the pitch to persuade Moyes to risk Van Persie’s temperament producing a red card was another indictment of the former Arsenal forward’s performance.

It was a big moment, one layered with significance, and how it plays out from here could define Moyes’s reign as United manager.

If Moyes is bold enough in the summer, he could do worse than consider making Van Persie the first sacrificial lamb of his turbulent reign as manager by selling the forward and delivering a clear statement of intent that the past has gone and the future will not centre around those who do not buy into the new reality.

Forget Van Persie’s disinterested performance here for a moment and consider the bigger picture and how the landscape appears for Moyes and United.

Statistically, Van Persie’s strike-rate for United since his £24m arrival from Arsenal in August 2012 – 44 goals in 71 appearances – is hugely impressive and the strongest possible evidence for those who would suggest that selling him would be madness.

He also injected charisma and belief into a team and club whose morale had been crushed by Manchester City’s 2011-12 title success.

But as Ferguson proved repeatedly by dispensing with the likes of Paul Ince, Mark Hughes, David Beckham, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy, there comes a time when a change has to be made and, just 18 months into his United career, that moment may have arrived for Van Persie.

The similarities between Van Persie and Van Nistelrooy are striking and do not stop merely with their shared Dutch roots.

Van Persie’s arm-waving dissatisfaction with his team-mates was straight out of the Van Nistelrooy text book for a start.

Van Nistelrooy was even more prolific than Van Persie, scoring 150 goals in 219 appearances, but United became over-reliant on the striker and predictable in their approach.

With Van Persie, United suffer the same problem and his lack of pace and mobility make Moyes’s team pedestrian and lacking the variety required to break down even the most limited opponents.

His complaint in Athens last week following United’s defeat against Olympiakos, that team-mates were occupying his space and pretty much suffocating him, were telling in that they highlighted the frustrations that were evident on the pitch here in the Midlands.

But United’s performance against West Brom once Van Persie was sat on the substitutes’ bench was like a new awakening – with Welbeck offering the movement, pace and work-rate that his out-of-sorts team-mate had failed to produce.

With Wayne Rooney, Juan Mata and Adnan Januzaj lacking the blistering pace to make a difference from a deeper position, United really need a flying machine up-front to stretch opponents and open up greater options.

In this respect, Van Persie is more of a hindrance than a help and the glory days of last season appear like another lifetime.

But just like Van Nistelrooy, maybe Van Persie will ultimately prove to be a star than shines brightly, but briefly, at Old Trafford.

He delivered the title last season, significantly when Rooney’s mind was elsewhere and focused on a power struggle with Ferguson, but now that the England forward is back in form and favour, Van Persie’s star has waned.

So maybe it is time for Moyes to consider a new approach.

When Ferguson sold Van Nistelrooy in the summer of 2006, he had two young wannabes by the names of Rooney and Ronaldo straining at the leash, desperate to take centre stage.

Welbeck and Januzaj are not in the same class as those two, but if Moyes can find the right striker this summer, losing Van Persie may not be quite so unthinkable.

For now, however, Moyes must decide whether Van Persie should start against Liverpool next Sunday or if the new dawn is already beginning to eclipse him.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...tent-about-Manchester-Uniteds-future.htmlhtml

David Moyes could sell Robin van Persie to make a statement of intent about Manchester United's future

Another article designed to soften us up for the sale of Van Persie in the summer?

At this point it would not surprise me if we got shot of Robin. However, to also sell Hernandez..? That article goes on and on about needing a pacey runner to stretch defences and yet its almost a foregone conclusion that Chicharito, the fastest and best runner we have, will be off come June.
 
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