Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Drummer said:
So saying it publically helps who exactly? The team?

The problem I have with any player making something public while still at the club is that they are only doing it for themselves. Nothing else.
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Put into proper context exactly what he said.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, perish the thought. Much better to slag off youngsters that cost us nothing and have spent their life at the club, right?
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I'm not sure why performances on the pitch should be judged differently based on what academy they came through.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, perish the thought. Much better to slag off youngsters that cost us nothing and have spent their life at the club, right?
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If it's rooted in merit then yes. Bit daft to choose who to criticize players based on agendas such as whether they came up through the youth system or were bought.

Personally, I don't see Rvp trying any lesser than anyone else. At the same time, if there are players who are a bit disillusioned with life under Moyes, then so be it. I don't see a big deal about it. Players are entitled to have their own views. We've all been in situations where we're not happy with our bosses or working environment.
 
mancan92 said:
I absolutely hate this. Van Persie is our best player and we are going to lose him just to back a manager who is out of his depth.
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Yep. And we'll lose some other good players as well. Apparently an inept manager who has been here for less than a year and done nothing of value is more deserving of loyalty than players who have contributed to our success over the years. That is the United way, it seems.
 
1+1 = 5 for lots of people it seems. RVP won't be going anywhere this summer.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I must be missing something but how are we losing RvP by backing Moyes?
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It's just people speculating.

But it is possible that we might lose some players we'd otherwise keep because of Moyes' reign. That often happens due to change of management.
 
Adzzz said:
1+1 = 5 for lots of people it seems. RVP won't be going anywhere this summer.
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Exactly.
amolbhatia100 said:
It's just people speculating.

But it is possible that we might lose some players we'd otherwise keep because of Moyes' reign. That often happens due to change of management.
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I agree with what you're saying and I think this may come true regards to Hernandez and Kagawa. I just can't see RvP leaving though. Somehow I don't think Moyes has the will/guts or be given the power to sell one of our top 2 or 3 players.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I must be missing something but how are we losing RvP by backing Moyes?
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If we lose Van Persie in the summer it will 100% be because we keep David Moyes in a job. Van Persie is clearly getting more and more frustrated due to Moyes tactics, he came here to win trophies not be part of the club experiment. He could leave that is a real possiblility as there is no way Moyes will go through the same effort to keep him as he has with Rooney.
 
Hernandez has turned into a right little bitch recently, if the implication of that Instagram is actually intended to be what it looks like.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He has a league title to his name. Something he probably wouldnt have ever had with Arsenal. That makes the decision the correct one if trophies were his ambition.
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Yes if the only two options were stay at Arsenal or go to United thats correct, but I expect he has more options than that, but went to United because of SAF and the likelihood of success being the highest.
 
Count Orduck said:
Hernandez has turned into a right little bitch recently, if the implication of that Instagram is actually intended to be what it looks like.
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I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt but it's not the first time he's had a cryptic whinge on Twitter.
 
Kevin said:
I have translated the whole interview, nearly word for word and sometimes almost literally (where possible). I have bolded the parts most highlighted by the British media and have marked the time frame during which it was said in the video. What stands out most:

-British media say RVP said "We are lousy". Incorrect, he only said our current standing in the league is lousy.

-According to a translation earlier in the thread where someone posted what a Newbie made out of the RVP interview, the interviewer asked him whether he knows what the problem is at United and that RVP said "yes I know, but I am not one who points fingers at others". Lies, he was never asked that question and newbie used a quote in another of his answers to another question to fuel the bullshit.

-When asked about the tactics, he answered what he thought went wrong tactically in a pro-active and positive brooding way. Like someone who knows and loves football. British media and some on here are destroying him for daring to answer a question in an honest way... when during better times last season, they praised his honest and direct answers and that everything he says is showing that he is a student of the game... go figure.

-When asked about the lack of trophies, he wasn't in any way negative and took it in a good humoured manner, looking to the future rather than the past, focusing on our team rather than the manager.

-When asked about Moyes being under fire, he defends him by saying he is working hard and that we (the team) should be doing better and has supported Moyes' lack of luck mantra.

All in all, it seems a far more positive interview than the one that Carrick gave which he was lambasted for on here because he was giving standard answers, showed no personality or fire and he actually did not answer the question whether the team should be taking responsibility for that whereas RVP kept repeating how the team should and gave honest thoughtful answers. So why all the hate? You can't have it both ways.

Anyway, here is the translation and link to the video if you want to gauge the mood when he said what http://nos.nl/video/616277-van-persie-gelooft-nog-in-kwartfinale.html

Interviewer: "Robin, nice game."
RVP: "Yeah, delightful eh?"
Interviewer: "Shocking..."
RVP: "Yeah, it wasn't good."
Ïnterviewer: "I don't recognize United at all... though I haven't watched you guys lately"
RVP: <laughs> "That could be the reason. Nah, we created little, didn't play well, which could lead to such a defeat. They didn't really have big chances either, their first goal was quite lucky, the second one was a good goal. But they didn't really create played out chances, they weren't fantastic or anything. We were just bad."
Interviewer: "The game was a bit comparable to that of PSG, first twenty minutes you thought "well, ok", seems like you weathered the storm.. but you didn't strike back at all after it.
RVP: "No, we failed to do that. The back four and the two midfielders did well in possession, but nothing much happened in the front ranks, so that makes it very dificult. Then you have to hope for that one chance and it did come <interviewer interrupts contineously here with comments like "you certainly did", "too hasty", "slipped a bit" etc). I know I had to make that. The first part was good, first touch good, everything went according to plan, but the shot was a bit too hasty and that's a pity because I don't get many chances so when I do get one, it has to be in."
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Interviewer: "Don't you have the urge sometimes to go look for the ball, to have some touches with it.
RVP: "Yeah, I have that urge alot. But uhhh <interviewer interrupts with: "you are not allowed to").. no no no, of course it is allowed, but my teammates sometimes take up the position and spaces that I like to play in, so when I see that it is difficult for me to also go into that space. So I have to adapt my running lines on the basis of where my teammates are standing/playing, and unfortunately that's oftentimes in my playing zones... and that is uhh... yes, a bit unfortunate/a pity.

Interviewer: "What I am missing, and certainly in an English team, Man United used to play with power, pace, and I'm not even talking about defence splitting passes which comes with patience." (bit difficult to literally translate it, what he's trying to say is that he doesn't even see the basic attributes of a top English team in our play).
RVP: "Yeah no (we love to say that in dutch, just means we are confirming the observation), exactly. We actually can play like that, but we didn't do that today. It was just too slow today and because of that you don't create much. We have, what, 2 shots on target in the entire match? Against Olympiakos, that's far too little. So uhh, everyone is very disappointed.

2:20-2:43
Interviewer: "You came for the trophies. You're not going to be finding them for a while."
RVP: "Well yeah <laughs>, it's going to be difficult <interviewer laughs and interrupts with: "looking looking">, yeah we are in a lousy position in the league, out of the Cups, this is the only real chance we still have left. But it's still possible, look uhh, with all respect, we can take this team with 2 or 3 nil.
Interviewer: "Should be possible <smiling/smirking>. My English colleagues are saying, your manager is under fire. Do you guys feel that way?

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RVP: "Yeah look, it is new, it needs time. He is working very hard on it, us too, and sometimes we do play quite well, but not always... <sighs> we haven't really been on the right side of luck.. I am a type of believes in making your own luck, it's not an excuse, absolutely not. But everything that can go wrong, like that first goal, the way it went in... goals like that really don't help. So uhmm... the wind has not been blowing our way. It's us who have to turn it around, look it's very easy to point at someone, but I'm not like that. We have to fill out the spaces ourselves (a dutch way of saying we have to do our jobs better), and those chances, in some phases during a season you don't get many chances, so the chances you do get have to be in.. oftentimes it happens, but not today, and that sucks.

The remaining 15 seconds of that interview is him asking about how he is physically, seeing that the world cup is close. He is fine.
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I speak Dutch and just watched the interview. What struck me is how much he sounded like Moyes when he comments on games. We're playing quite well, getting unlucky etc etc

I have the feeling RVP is toeing the line, not trying to be controversial, although there was a hint at his dissatisfaction regarding the "issue" of his team mates playing in his space, but generally,he's biting his lip in my opinion.
 
acnumber9 said:
Put into proper context exactly what he said.
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Perhaps, but its really unfortunate that things can be lost in translation and RVP should know that any sort of negative comments on the team will just add fuel to the fire.

He may not of intended to cause trouble, but the problem is that its only compounding the pressure on the manager. If you want the manager out then it will please you, but if you actually just want to see the manager get the best possible opportunity to succeed, you will want the players to publically support and rally around him. They don't have to like him, they aren't paid to like him, but they don't have to make his job any harder then it already is . .
 
Er, can you guys please wait until after the Liverpool and City games before going into complete meltdown?

Although Im not 100% sure with Hernandez is trying to imply.
 
No doubt this will soon be followed by a denial tweet from Chicha saying what he said had nothing to do with RVP bla bla bla .... What a mess this is turning into now.
 
Apparently Buttner has done a cryptic tweet too:
'F*ck off, Moyes, we all think you're sh*t'.
 
It's probably a hidden dig at the crossing tactics, mate.
 
Forget who/what he's talking about. With a manager getting his players motivated and getting them all game time and the tweet itself would never happen in the first place.

This is like some Twilight Zone episode. By the end of next season the only people left at the club will be Moyes and Rooney. And Aaron Lennon.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
He's our best player by a mile. He can talk as much as he wants. If anybody should talk less it's that pig Rooney. We need to sell the pig and play Mata in behind him. He's holding as back from playing to our true strengths.
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Sensational post. Exquisite use of logic and factual evidence to back your point. I can see you're perfectly rational and not at all biased or holding an agenda. Love the way you've described Rooney there. Perfect descriptor for Rooney and how he plays the game. Love the way you've categorically stated who our best player is with a solid argument and facts to back up such an emphatic claim. Excellent post.
 
I wouldn't read too much into post match comments after a debacle. There's bound to be some frustration after that kind of display. Microphones get stuck in players' faces and sometimes ambiguous stuff comes out.

As bad as getting dumped out of the CL at this stage may be, our most important work through the end of the season will be in the league. Let's wait and see what the post match comments will be against Liverpool.
 
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