Of course Moyes should take the blame for our below par performances this season. He'll probably be the first to tell you that. Ultimately, he's the guy who picks the starting 11 and tactics, and if things don't go well, as it isn't, he should be the one to be questioned. However, although they may be thinking it, one thing you don't do as players, in my opinion, is come out publicly and criticize the team you play for. With how everything has gone this season, it's the last thing we need.
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Of course Moyes should take the blame for our below par performances this season. He'll probably be the first to tell you that. Ultimately, he's the guy who picks the starting 11 and tactics, and if things don't go well, as it isn't, he should be the one to be questioned. However, although they may be thinking it, one thing you don't do as players, in my opinion, is come out publicly and criticize the team you play for. With how everything has gone this season, it's the last thing we need.
Doesn't the bolded really negate the rest of your post, he had a brilliant year last year and he's scoring at a better rate this. Surely that means there's no issue to be addressed? Its not like Rooney hasn't improved either.
Welbeck, Hernandez aren't as good as the Dutch and they've been asked to cover in his absence so us scoring less goals isn't a surprise
LOL... maybe if you're one of those people who think stats are the be-all and end-all of all discussion and understanding of football, but a blind man and his dog can make a note of how incredibly rubbish we have been at getting him involved in the play this year. Last year most matches left us with a small collection of moments and touches where Van Persie wowed us, either through making space for himself and making a chance, or in his hold-up play and getting the rest of the team into the attack. We've barely seen that this year.
Do you think players like him who did that should be seen by the club's psychologist after the game? Afterall, it must be rather traumatic, especially when we were disadvantaged by the end result.
LOL really? Stats ate usually rubbish but not when its goal output. I'm not debating what the previous poster says about link up, style etc etc I agree it ain't pretty if he's producing the same output then it can't be that bad. Its not like its even affecting output of those around him.
Basically our problems lie elsewhere such as the long standing issue of getting our mids to contribute to the goal tally
He's producing the same output in terms of goals for himself, sure... but what about how much we get out of him otherwise? What about him being a resource in attacks that don't lead to him scoring goals, but possibly others scoring, or us at least being able to build and maintain pressure on the other side?
It can't be bad that we've been rubbish at getting him involved? I'm not sure how you can even believe that. Strikers are possibly mainly judged on the goals they score, but that's not all they can or should contribute (unless their name is Gerd Müller).
United have been that rubbish. Relative to top clubs United are a poor footballing side. At Arsenal in his last season at the club Van Persie was not only top scorer but created the vast majority of chances. Not surprisingly Arsenal play more centrally,
United do not. Unless you expect Van Persie to be a 'resource in attacks' by winning flick on's, I'm not sure how you expect Van Persie to contribute more to the creation of chances considering the disconnection of United's attack and midfield.
I thought this was interesting, by Jason Burt in this morning's Telegraph:
The only players down on their scoring rate is the defenders I think. We definetly need an improvement I just don't think the alarming aspect is RvP. If he'd have been fit all season then we'd be much better off.
There's no getting away from RvP carrying us so much last year that him playing less games has hurt us.
You'd like to think a new manager would have solved our over reliance on him
I never said anything like that Robin Van Persie's to blame for it, or that he's having a slump. He's just not being involved in our general play, and I think that's on Moyes' doorstep.
Former QPR midfielder Malcolm Allen:
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/mad-dog-says-man-utd-must-sell-van-persie-4010193
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/mad-dog-says-man-utd-must-sell-van-persie-4010193
'...he's the first one who should be shown the exit door in the summer.'
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How can people be so stupid?
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How can people be so stupid?
'...he's the first one who should be shown the exit door in the summer.'
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How can people be so stupid?
I must admit that part was funny, however, I tend to agree with most of what he said.
There are many at this club who have played out of position for years so RvP should just get on with "having players in his zone".
WTF is this ? Rubbish article from a rubbish site. NO midfielder named Malcolm Allen ever played for QPR. The real Malcolm Allen played for Watford, Villa, Norwich, Milwall, Newcastle.Their "source" Daily Mail has no reference to any such article either. New low for made up bollix by the shit-strirrers @ tribalfootball.com
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Is that not what he's doing?
He's having to, as we're playing with an under performing midfield.
Their "source" Daily Mail has no reference to any such article either. New low for made up bollix by the shit-strirrers @ tribalfootball.com
That must be just a mistake on their behalf then. However, I can't see them quoting a person if they haven't said anything.
LOL mate tribalfootball makes up all kinds of shit. Infact go do a quick google search for this article on Daily Mail as they claim. There's naught to it. You'll just find a couple of inagist and reddit posts started by tribalfootball themselves. I wouldn't trust them even if they said we play our home games at OT.
Look at this screenshot of my browser :
tribalfootball has long lost any semblance of credibility.
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And that's probably his point. He is a top top, world class player. We shoe horn in average to good players in positions they aren't comfortable in but to do it with van Persie is criminal.
Clearly not taking his goalscoring seriously... Get rid.
Showoff
I think it's a little bit sad that we don't see more of that kind of thing in actual competitive games. Nothing to do with United or Moyes mind you, it's just you often see GIFs like this from training where players show off some crazy skills but when it comes to game time they're probably under instructions to be as efficient as possible.
The biggest problem is that he actually receives the ball close to his feet from a diagonal pass/cross. At United, you'd have Valencia blasting it into row Z, Young looking at the ball and making a blind cross to the wrong post, and Rooney running into him by making the same run
The biggest problem is that he actually receives the ball close to his feet from a diagonal pass/cross. At United, you'd have Valencia blasting it into row Z, Young looking at the ball and making a blind cross to the wrong post, and Rooney running into him by making the same run
You do realise he's training and has no opposition against him? That said, Valencia and Young can be pretty useless, at times.
As for Rooney, like I've said before in previous posts, Van Perisie needs to be dropping short if Rooney goes further forward. Strike partners are supposed to work in tandem with each other.
Such a talent. We should honestly be looking ways to build the side around him. The way he plays, he can bang them in for another 3 years easy.
Even if they were given the freedom to say showboat, I don't think many of them would. It takes something to not only have the tricks but have the balls to try them under heavy pressure from opponents and succeed at them. This is the main Ronaldinho was loved at his best, he played "street" football at the highest level of professional football.
Selling Van Persie would be a massive mistake. He's one of the most talented footballers in the world. The kind of player that, unfair though it may seem, should be indulged to an extent that other players aren't. To say "he should be the first one out the door" is just ridiculous. Especially over an interview that has had its actual contents widely misconstrued and highly exaggerated.
I think it's pretty obvious it's training, but top players are able to pull off the same moves under pressure. What I was trying to point out is that we never even try to play RVP in like that during the game, it's cross and pray. Look up how many goals RVP has scored via through balls vs crosses and compare with last year or the year before at Arsenal.
The problem with your Rooney assertion is that Rooney is the one that's supposed to be dropping short, not RVP who has clearly been instructed to stay up top. Rooney usually drops deep, sends a diagonal to the wings, and runs straight into the box waiting for a cross. There's no interplay back from the wings in for Rooney to receive in the middle, partly because he's not there anymore and partly because Young blasts in blind crosses, and Valencia is incapable of making a short infield one touch pass because he's so one footed.
And as for Valencia and Young being pretty useless at times, what do you mean at times? Especially with Valencia, he's been pretty much useless the entire season bar one game against Leverkeusen. He was pretty gash last season too but at least he seemed able to beat his man.
Oh..Robin Van Persie
Bad first touch!
To be honest, I couldn't care less what kind what of goals RVP scores and what the assist is like. What is important, however, is that he scores goals. Last year he was top scorer at United.
RVP has clearly been instructed to stay up top? And you know this how.........? Yes, he's a striker, but that doesn't mean he can't move outside his 'zone'. Why is it that when Welbeck plays up top he seems to get involved a lot more in our build up play and links up a lot better with Rooney than Van Persie does? It's because sometimes he'll drop and get himself involved in the game. This is not to say Welbeck is a better player, I just think Van Persie, at least this season anyway, seems a bit too static, at times. Don't get me wrong, I agree that Rooney should is the one that's supposed to drop short more - he does. However, I'd just like to seem them (Rooney and Van Persie) working together better. Aguero/Negredo, Suarez/Sturridge, even flipping Shane Long and Jevavic work together better than Rooney and RVP, for God's sake.
You seem pretty sure RVP is instructed to stay up top. How do you know Rooney's not instructed to do what he does? He's been switching the ball for years and no one has moaned. Scholes used to do it. If anything, the player who should be there to provide an option in the middle should be our centre midfielders. Have a look at Yaya Toure's goal the other day for City against Sunderland. Everyone except the defenders, Toure and Fernandinho were in the box. This is where I feel we miss Scholes massively. He pieced everything together for us. Anything at the edge of the area you just know it was Scholesy's ball. We lack that sort of player.
We can easily play Rooney and RVP as two front players (with Rooney dropping off a bit) if we add a bit more energy and guile into the middle of the park. Once that happens, we'll hopefully see better performances between the two as a partnership.
As for Young and Valencia, to be fair, I don't know why I said at times. I was just being nice. However, we can't forget the great seasons Valencia has given us over the years. As for Young, well, what can I say?
Was unable to train with the Netherlands today due to illness. May not be fit for West Brom.
Not too bothered as RVP's link up play has been abysmal recently IMO.
I'm hoping this means we get a chance to see Mata as no.10 in behind Rooney or Welbeck.
I won't hold my breath though.
I'm hoping this means we get a chance to see Mata as no.10 in behind Rooney or Welbeck.
I won't hold my breath though.
Yeh, with his attitude at the moment, it doesn't bother me if he doesn't play.
Another I fear who has mentally checked out already to be honest. He's concentrating on the world cup now, it could be his last.
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