Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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For all the Arsenal fans on here, where the hell is this arrogance and ignorance coming from?

Bare in mind, you lot haven't won a trophy for nearly 9 years!!
Posts like "he made his bed so now he can lie in it" are weird to me....I never realised Arsenal had everything sown up on all fronts!

As for this new headline, good! Bit of entertainment and anything that causes a stir is a bit of craic :D
 
Ainu said:
I see this story is getting more spectacular by the minute. Next they're going to quote Van Persie declaring war on Moyes.
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Yup:

£300k-per-week striker Wayne Rooney has refused to take wantaway Robin van Persie's side in the War on Moyes. Rooney, who recently signed a £400k-per-week contract worth £500k-per-week, is grateful for the £10000k-per-week deal which Moyes sanctioned etc etc
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JSArsenal said:
Did he think Ferguson would go on forever and a day?

The man had to call it quits at some point.

Van Persie is the one who decided to move to Man Utd and now that things aren't how he thought they would be he's "unhappy"?

Please.

He's made his bed and now he can lie in it
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Have to agree with this, I just don't get it. No one can predict how long a 71 year old manager can last in the game. He got a chance to play with Fergie, he got his silverware. Yet when things go pear shaped and Fergies not there he's unhappy? It makes no sense.
 
The Mitcher said:
Have to agree with this, I just don't get it. No one can predict how long a 71 year old manager can last in the game. He got a chance to play with Fergie, he got his silverware. Yet when things go pear shaped and Fergies not there he's unhappy? It makes no sense.
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When the man himself told him he wasn't leaving anytime soon I can understand his surprise. I also think it makes perfect sense to be unhappy with our current situation.
 
acnumber9 said:
When the man himself told him he wasn't leaving anytime soon I can understand his surprise. I also think it makes perfect sense to be unhappy with our current situation.
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Whats to be happy with the clubs current situation? Question that's most important to the club is who is going to get down and work hard to get the club back to the top ?

Don't need players tweeting and going to the press with riddles, no matter how good they are . .

Remember Ruud ? He was a superb forward even when we offloaded him and RVP (if it is what it looks like) should be shipped off if hes unsettling things.
 
JSArsenal said:
Did he think Ferguson would go on forever and a day?

The man had to call it quits at some point.

Van Persie is the one who decided to move to Man Utd and now that things aren't how he thought they would be he's "unhappy"?

Please.

He's made his bed and now he can lie in it
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The Mitcher said:
Have to agree with this, I just don't get it. No one can predict how long a 71 year old manager can last in the game. He got a chance to play with Fergie, he got his silverware. Yet when things go pear shaped and Fergies not there he's unhappy? It makes no sense.
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:confused:

It makes perfect sense, surely? When someone makes a decision that doesn't work out quite as well as expected they tend to be unhappy.
 
Drummer said:
Whats to be happy with the clubs current situation? Question that's most important to the club is who is going to get down and work hard to get the club back to the top ?

Don't need players tweeting and going to the press with riddles, no matter how good they are . .

Remember Ruud ? He was a superb forward even when we offloaded him and RVP (if it is what it looks like) should be shipped off if hes unsettling things.
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That would apply to more than one forward in the squad. Should probably get rid of him too then. Judging a player for being unhappy with how shit we are or misinterpreted quotes is silly.
 
SteveJ said:
£300k-per-week striker Wayne Rooney has refused to take wantaway Robin van Persie's side in the War on Moyes. Rooney, who recently signed a £400k-per-week contract worth £500k-per-week, is grateful for the £10000k-per-week deal which Moyes sanctioned etc etc
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:lol:
 
As good as Van Persie is, he is on the wrong side of 30 with a long history of injuries with two year left on his contract. If we sold him in the summer we would still be able to make a decent profit.
Lewandowski would have been the perfect replacement...
 
starman said:
As good as Van Persie is, he is on the wrong side of 30 with a long history of injuries with two year left on his contract. If we sold him in the summer we would still be able to make a decent profit.
Lewandowski would have been the perfect replacement...
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Yeah to big clubs who know what they are doing in the transfer market (Bayern Munich)
 
I guess I could try to explain myself better.

Its not about Arsenal or how we perform or trophies we may or may not win.

Its about Van Persie, he chose to move to Man Utd and I just think after burning his bridges the way he did by making that open letter, talking about the little boy inside him and all of that, it just seems a bit strange for him to come out and say those things about his team mates and or manager (if the comments are true).

This is what he wanted, he didn't expect it to turn out like this granted but I just think he should keep his head down, refrain from making any comment which could be construed negatively and get on with the job.

He has a right to be unhappy but he at least owes it to the squad to keep those feelings out of the public sphere because the last thing the team and club needs is even the slightest hint of friction in the squad.
 
JSArsenal said:
I guess I could try to explain myself better.

Its not about Arsenal or how we perform or trophies we may or may not win.

Its about Van Persie, he chose to move to Man Utd and I just think after burning his bridges the way he did by making that open letter, talking about the little boy inside him and all of that, it just seems a bit strange for him to come out and say those things about his team mates and or manager (if the comments are true).

This is what he wanted, he didn't expect it to turn out like this granted but I just think he should keep his head down, refrain from making any comment which could be construed negatively and get on with the job.

He has a right to be unhappy but he at least owes it to the squad to keep those feelings out of the public sphere because the last thing the team and club needs is even the slightest hint of friction in the squad.
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Awh ok. Understand you better now
 
starman said:
As good as Van Persie is, he is on the wrong side of 30 with a long history of injuries with two year left on his contract. If we sold him in the summer we would still be able to make a decent profit.
Lewandowski would have been the perfect replacement...
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He just turned 30 in August. What is your definition for the wrong side of 30? He is 2 years younger than Ibrahimovic. Scholes was older when he came back from his eye injury and I think those years from 2006 onwards he was quite a big part of us being succesful. Van Persie's game relies 0 on pace. He is about great techinque and finishing. I can see him age very well. I'd be foolish to let a player with his class walk away.

I really hope he stays. I mean if Moyes can't handle the world class players he already has how the hell are we supposed to attract the players we need?
 
acnumber9 said:
That would apply to more than one forward in the squad. Should probably get rid of him too then. Judging a player for being unhappy with how shit we are or misinterpreted quotes is silly.
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He's not unhappy with how in shit we are he's unhappy with the training and obviously the tactics if he feels players are getting in his way.

I don't mind players being unhappy, just say it to the manager , nothing good comes of airing it in public.
 
Anderson18 said:
He just turned 30 in August. What is your definition for the wrong side of 30? He is 2 years younger than Ibrahimovic. Scholes was older when he came back from his eye injury and I think those years from 2006 onwards he was quite a big part of us being succesful. Van Persie's game relies 0 on pace. He is about great techinque and finishing. I can see him age very well. I'd be foolish to let a player with his class walk away.

I really hope he stays. I mean if Moyes can't handle the world class players he already has how the hell are we supposed to attract the players we need?
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I thought he was 31, even still, 12 game to go, by the start of next season he will be 31. Obviously do not sell him if there was no suitable replacement. e.g. Lewandowski would have been. I would have than been fine to see Van Persie to be sold off to PSG for 30+ million. Scholes eye problem was not football related. Van Persie injuries are.
 
starman said:
As good as Van Persie is, he is on the wrong side of 30 with a long history of injuries with two year left on his contract. If we sold him in the summer we would still be able to make a decent profit.
Lewandowski would have been the perfect replacement...
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Anyway RVP isnt a Moyes type player . He will be looking for a Duncan Ferguson circa 2014 version this summer. Its just unfortunate for him that Andy Carroll is settled at West Ham.
 
I'm sorry but I'd rather have rvp as manager than Moyes. Fair fecks if one of the world's best players doesn't want to pretend Moyes isn't shockingly incompetent. Rvp wants to win. Simple as that. It's why he joined in the first place. If he thinks there's an issue, there probably is one and we should be looking at how to fix it, rather than thinking about selling the guy.
 
Bebe said:
I'm sorry but I'd rather have rvp as manager than Moyes. Fair fecks if one of the world's best players doesn't want to pretend Moyes isn't shockingly incompetent. Rvp wants to win. Simple as that. It's why he joined in the first place. If he thinks there's an issue, there probably is one and we should be looking at how to fix it, rather than thinking about selling the guy.
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I'm baffled as to why we want to sell our best player. It makes most sense to sell Rooney and play Mata in behind RvP and use the Rooney money to buy actual CM's.

Any other top European club would be doing this. Not ours. We don't make the most logical decisions.
 
.Rossi said:
Oh God.........I just had a horrible thought
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:lol:

moyes-united.jpg
 
Brwned said:
Well it only started after Sir Alex's autobiography was released and in that he mentioned how he told van Persie (and Kagawa) he would be here for a while yet. There's also of course the fact that he's one of our two star players and star players make for better headlines. Rooney started the season as one of the best players in the league with the media lavishing praise on him and more recently he's signed a long-term contract so he doesn't fit the profile needed. On top of that he obviously is frustrated with how things are going but why wouldn't he be? We're playing terrible football, we're not winning games and he's seeing less of the ball than at any point in his career. For a player who can see the end of his career in the not too distant future he'd have to be a pretty wired up man to not feel frustrated by that.

In the first leg v Madrid last year he touched the ball 46 times - almost double the amount of times he touched the ball yesterday. In fact he's only touched the ball more than 45 times just once all season. In the game against Fulham when we had 75% possession he touched the ball just 35 times. He was the best player in a team that won the title comfortably last season and he's blatantly being misused so I don't see why venting frustration at that should cause any kind of uproar.

And now saying we're playing lousy and are struggling in the two remaining competitions is somehow newsworthy. Christ on a bike. When we're winning and everything's rosy he gets lavished with praise for actually putting some thought into what he says and speaking frankly to the media, but when everything's not so great and he does the same he gets torn apart. Strange stuff. Everyone's gotta have a scapegoat I guess.
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I've got no problem with Van Persie speaking his mind at all. After all, we've all seen the games and not many will disagree with him. I'm no fan of Moyes and never wanted him in the first place but I'd hate to see a player's mutiny at United, and that's the thing the press seems intent on fomenting; well, they give that impression.
 
Brwned said:
Well it only started after Sir Alex's autobiography was released and in that he mentioned how he told van Persie (and Kagawa) he would be here for a while yet. There's also of course the fact that he's one of our two star players and star players make for better headlines. Rooney started the season as one of the best players in the league with the media lavishing praise on him and more recently he's signed a long-term contract so he doesn't fit the profile needed. On top of that he obviously is frustrated with how things are going but why wouldn't he be? We're playing terrible football, we're not winning games and he's seeing less of the ball than at any point in his career. For a player who can see the end of his career in the not too distant future he'd have to be a pretty wired up man to not feel frustrated by that.

In the first leg v Madrid last year he touched the ball 46 times - almost double the amount of times he touched the ball yesterday. In fact he's only touched the ball more than 45 times just once all season. In the game against Fulham when we had 75% possession he touched the ball just 35 times. He was the best player in a team that won the title comfortably last season and he's blatantly being misused so I don't see why venting frustration at that should cause any kind of uproar.

And now saying we're playing lousy and are struggling in the two remaining competitions is somehow newsworthy. Christ on a bike. When we're winning and everything's rosy he gets lavished with praise for actually putting some thought into what he says and speaking frankly to the media, but when everything's not so great and he does the same he gets torn apart. Strange stuff. Everyone's gotta have a scapegoat I guess.
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Great post, completely agree.
 
Van Persie can do one. No player should dictate to any manager, regardless of whether you like Moyes or not. Bench him for the next game, play Mata as a 10 and Rooney up top.
 
I really cannot blame RVP for his frustrations, because quite frankly there are the very same frustrations many of us have with the way our team is performing. He really didn't say anything that was not obvious to even the most inept football analyst. What really bothers me is how this has all of a sudden become newsworthy, he's always been an honest player so why slate him for it now? Pathetic really.

This is mainly the media trying to stir up some drama.
 
JSArsenal said:
Did he think Ferguson would go on forever and a day?

The man had to call it quits at some point.

Van Persie is the one who decided to move to Man Utd and now that things aren't how he thought they would be he's "unhappy"?

Please.

He's made his bed and now he can lie in it
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Even if he leaves at the end of the season, he probably made the best decision of his career by joining Utd and leave an Arsenal team that isn't any closer to winning anything yet.
 
RVP signed for us to win trophies. After one season he is realizing that under Moyes that just finishing 4th might never happen in his career again let alone win anything....and that's playing a brand of football that Wimbeldon of the 1980's would relate to........I think RVP has a right to be freaked out no matter how much cash he is on
 
Lynk said:
Van Persie can do one. No player should dictate to any manager, regardless of whether you like Moyes or not. Bench him for the next game, play Mata as a 10 and Rooney up top.
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There are many players in this squad who are getting played out of position to accommodate RvP as a striker. Kagawa, Mata, Rooney himself - all of them have been deprived of their natural positions because of RvP starting up top. They are not moaning about it after a loss, and I don't see why RvP thinks he can. It's not professional, and ends up as an insult to the manager, no matter who the latter is. And such remarks need to be dealt with a firm hand.

I have no doubt that if we turned up like this, we wouldn't miss RVP too much.

----------------Rooney---------------
----Kagawa----Mata------Januzaj---
--------Fletcher----Fellaini----------


So I was thinking along the same lines, too. Bench the guy.

But it'll be pointless to bench him intentionally, in the sense that it won't really change anything in the long term. The man abandoned Arsenal when they needed him the most. Wenger created him out of nothing, made him captain, built his team around him, and RvP just shamelessly left them at the first promise of silverware. Not exactly a loyalist, is he? I'd be surprised if he stayed with us over the next transfer window. No point trying to make the situation worse right now with such decisions, we have enough on our plate as it is. Ignore, and move on.
 
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