Yeah, honestly, if I was in rvp's situation, I'd be incredibly pissed off and regretting the decision to come to united. He was an arsenal fan as a kid, and stayed there for 8 years while all they got was 3rd or 4th. He wins 1 title and then goes to an even worse situation.teres no chance he would have come to united as well if fergie told him it was going to be his last season. Of course he's going to want out unless we're looking to change managers, because under moyes things clearly won't get better for him or united.
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Eric'sCollar
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To much smoke around him and his camp. Rooney on a new deal, I think it's best to move RVP on in the summer.
If he sorts out any issues he has, great, hopefully it can work but I don't see it happening.
If he sorts out any issues he has, great, hopefully it can work but I don't see it happening.
amolbhatia50k
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Yup. He finally won something after years and years of nothing, which was a shame for such a great player, and he wouldn't have done so at Arsenal. Smart move.Even if he leaves at the end of the season, he probably made the best decision of his career by joining Utd and leave an Arsenal team that isn't any closer to winning anything yet.
forevrared
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He's got one season left at the top. You can't fault him if he isn't willing to spend it fighting for fourth.
He got what he came for and I doubt he'd have any regrets. He wants his career to end with a bang, not a whimper. He'll go in the summer and he and United will be better for it in the end. You can fit Kagawa and Mata in a team with Rooney and they'll be together another five years. Van Persie in the mix and Kagawa is gone and and we only have Rooney and Mata from 2015.
He got what he came for and I doubt he'd have any regrets. He wants his career to end with a bang, not a whimper. He'll go in the summer and he and United will be better for it in the end. You can fit Kagawa and Mata in a team with Rooney and they'll be together another five years. Van Persie in the mix and Kagawa is gone and and we only have Rooney and Mata from 2015.
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Wonder what we'll do if he wants to leave but stay in England. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Chelsea/City/Arsenal.
Bestie07
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Wonder what we'll do if he wants to leave but stay in England. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Chelsea/City/Arsenal.
That won't be happening. He can kick up any amount of fuss but we won't be selling him to a team in England when he has time remaining on his current deal.
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He wouldn't have signed here in the first place if Moyes was manager.
Imagine moving to United and expecting to finish your career being managed by Sir Alex only to get David Moyes. It would take a ballsy man to ask for ANOTHER move after leaving Arsenal. His comments just show that tactically Moyes hasn't really got a clue, but we knew that already.
Imagine moving to United and expecting to finish your career being managed by Sir Alex only to get David Moyes. It would take a ballsy man to ask for ANOTHER move after leaving Arsenal. His comments just show that tactically Moyes hasn't really got a clue, but we knew that already.
pauldyson1uk
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Yes, but if he really want to leave and he starts to cause unrest in the dressing room what choice would we have ? If it came to that, I don't think it will mind, I would rather get rid than have a player that wants to leave in the squad.That won't be happening. He can kick up any amount of fuss but we won't be selling him to a team in England when he has time remaining on his current deal.
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I'm glad you have such an insight into the mind of Robin Van Persie. How do you know he hasn't said it to the manager countless times?He's not unhappy with how in shit we are he's unhappy with the training and obviously the tactics if he feels players are getting in his way.
I don't mind players being unhappy, just say it to the manager , nothing good comes of airing it in public.
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Yup. He finally won something after years and years of nothing, which was a shame for such a great player, and he wouldn't have done so at Arsenal. Smart move.
He got what he wanted and that was the PL.
However if we had him this season (or Higuain, or Suarez) I think we would be on top and most probably take out the title this season. Unfortunately it wasn't to be.
Jimy_Hills_Chin
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I can understand Van Persie's frustration and bemusement. The Moyes appointment smacks of equal measures of both hilarity and tragedy. Sir Alex was the only man of power in world football willing to hand Moyes a chance at the big time whilst every other top club on the planet passed him over. Van Persie must feel cheated after being promised that Sir Alex had no retirement plans when he signed. He must have had a bad feeling when he heard that Moyes was to take over and subsequently all his worst fears about the appointment have come true.
The fact remains though that Van Persie has very little leverage in this situation. He is 32 when his contract expires, you would say that his remaining two years will be the last of his peak and he will be far less attractive a proposition for a top club when his contract is up.
Perhaps he could head the other way in a deal for Cavani/Vidal.
The fact remains though that Van Persie has very little leverage in this situation. He is 32 when his contract expires, you would say that his remaining two years will be the last of his peak and he will be far less attractive a proposition for a top club when his contract is up.
Perhaps he could head the other way in a deal for Cavani/Vidal.
amolbhatia50k
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You woudn't have gotten Ozil though and maybe wouldn't have gotten the lift you needed. We don't know if you'd have been this good this season with Rvp. Lots of variables.He got what he wanted and that was the PL.
However if we had him this season (or Higuain, or Suarez) I think we would be on top and most probably take out the title this season. Unfortunately it wasn't to be.
So saying it publically helps who exactly? The team?I'm glad you have such an insight into the mind of Robin Van Persie. How do you know he hasn't said it to the manager countless times?
The problem I have with any player making something public while still at the club is that they are only doing it for themselves. Nothing else.
Ainu
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I imagine we'd look to ship him off the Italy if it came to that.Yes, but if he really want to leave and he starts to cause unrest in the dressing room what choice would we have ? If it came to that, I don't think it will mind, I would rather get rid than have a player that wants to leave in the squad.
Salfordlad70
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RVP has that dutch Twot whispering in his ear and trying to unsettle him it seems.Tbh I can't see him staying or wanting to while Moyes is here and while you can sacka manager to keep one player happy, it may get serious if others start voicing there unhappiness so publicly.All this nonsense fills me with little confidence when it comes to recruiting.What a fricking mess we're in!
He's got one season left at the top. You can't fault him if he isn't willing to spend it fighting for fourth.
He got what he came for and I doubt he'd have any regrets. He wants his career to end with a bang, not a whimper. He'll go in the summer and he and United will be better for it in the end. You can fit Kagawa and Mata in a team with Rooney and they'll be together another five years. Van Persie in the mix and Kagawa is gone and and we only have Rooney and Mata from 2015.
Kagawa won't be here next season anyway, and even if he were he'd still be behind Valencia and Young in pecking order.
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Apparently he has no release clause, so in that case he can consider his future all he likes he won't be going anywhere unless the club decides to sell him on. If it was me I would keep him for the period of his contract, sure we won't get massive amounts of money back for him at his age anyway.
Can we just hire Van Gaal and heep RVP? After all, they have excellent relations.
It would be a shame if we lose RVP, he is by far our best player and I would have prefered losing Rooney instead of him. But c'est la vie, I will seriously be surprised if both him and Moyes will be in our club on September.
It would be a shame if we lose RVP, he is by far our best player and I would have prefered losing Rooney instead of him. But c'est la vie, I will seriously be surprised if both him and Moyes will be in our club on September.
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A cash plus swap deal for Cavani will be nice if he wants to move on.
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There's no real reason he should have to waste valuable years of a once in a liftetime career under a despondent Moyes that actively instructs the side to utilise him as if he is Victor Anichebe. Real footballers play this game for trophies, and I like that side of Van Persie. If he feels this can't be achieved under the resident clown, he's best moving on. I don't want that to happen, however, I'd sooner see a manager brought in that our best players, collectively, enjoy playing for.
It's isn't all too common for players to leave clubs due to the manager alone. In this instance, if he were to leave, it really is as a direct result of the manager. Madness.
It's isn't all too common for players to leave clubs due to the manager alone. In this instance, if he were to leave, it really is as a direct result of the manager. Madness.
There's no real reason he should have to waste valuable years of a once in a liftetime career under a despondent Moyes that actively instructs the side to utilise him as if he is Victor Anichebe. Real footballers play this game for trophies, and I like that side of Van Persie. If he feels this can't be achieved under the resident clown, he's best moving on. I don't want that to happen, however, I'd sooner see a manager brought in that our best players, collectively, enjoy playing for.
It's isn't all too common for players to leave clubs due to the manager alone. In this instance, if he were to leave, it really is as a direct result of the manager. Madness.
Sadly I agree. I'd have no qualms with Robin if he came out and said he wanted to leave.
He signed for Ferguson and came to win trophies. As a 30 year old player of his quality, that's not too much to ask. To be in this position is an injustice to his talents and while I realise that we pay him a lot of money, I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to ask to be let go. He didn't sign up to be sitting down in midtable.
ItsEssexRob
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Yup. He finally won something after years and years of nothing, which was a shame for such a great player, and he wouldn't have done so at Arsenal. Smart move.
In hindsight it wasnt smart, because his goals were to win trophies, and work with SAF. Im not sure 1 league title would have been what he was expecting, as if he now went on to leave it looks a bit cheap from him, as if he used United just to get a league medal in his career. Fact remains I wouldn't blame him for leaving, hes in a worse position now than he was 2 seasons ago, but these things happen in life with jobs.
shaggy
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He's probably a few million quid better off actually.In hindsight it wasnt smart, because his goals were to win trophies, and work with SAF. Im not sure 1 league title would have been what he was expecting, as if he now went on to leave it looks a bit cheap from him, as if he used United just to get a league medal in his career. Fact remains I wouldn't blame him for leaving, hes in a worse position now than he was 2 seasons ago, but these things happen in life with jobs.
Sassy Colin
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Turning on RvP? I despair of this forum sometimes...
ItsEssexRob
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He's probably a few million quid better off actually.
Yeah but as we established from him turning down City, money wasn't a factor.
Pogue Mahone
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Sadly I agree. I'd have no qualms with Robin if he came out and said he wanted to leave.
He signed for Ferguson and came to win trophies. As a 30 year old player of his quality, that's not too much to ask. To be in this position is an injustice to his talents and while I realise that we pay him a lot of money, I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to ask to be let go. He didn't sign up to be sitting down in midtable.
Was there a clause in the contract which spelled this out?
If not, he should knuckle the feck down and do his best to dig the club out of the hole it's in. Him and every other player at the club. These guys earn stupendous wages and have to take the rough with the smooth. Be an absolute disgrace if their effort or commitment dropped because we're having a bad season under a new manager.
Ramshock
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RVP out Zlatan in? Okay
Pogue Mahone
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Turning on RvP? I despair of this forum sometimes...
Yeah, perish the thought. Much better to slag off youngsters that cost us nothing and have spent their life at the club, right?
AngeloHenriquez
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I'm not sure why so much fuss is being made over this, he's not overly happy, name someone who is? The fans, the manager, staff, players... If Arsenal weren't doing well and RVP's national coach would keep schtum the tabloids wouldn't sensationalise everything, there is so many ridiculous rumours going around right now, I doubt he 'wants out', he just not particularly happy, if he was offered a route out, I wouldn't begrudge him..
Happy or not, I'm not sure I love him voicing him comments about players playing in his space etc, I think that's a talk for behind closed doors personally, not that he's badly wrong for doing so, he's frustrated, but it's not loyal to his teammates IMO..
Don't excite me like that... I think he'd complement Wayne perfectly.
Happy or not, I'm not sure I love him voicing him comments about players playing in his space etc, I think that's a talk for behind closed doors personally, not that he's badly wrong for doing so, he's frustrated, but it's not loyal to his teammates IMO..
RVP out Zlatan in? Okay
Don't excite me like that... I think he'd complement Wayne perfectly.
In 35(3) league games last season - RVP 106 aerial duels, which comes to around 3 a game. This season in 15(1) Premier League games, he has 69, which comes to around 4.5 per game. Of those, last season he won just under half (50) whilst this season he's won about a quarter (19) ... stats are stats and what not, but to me this is a commentary on a) the increased number of high balls he has to deal with and b) the type of balls/quality of balls he has to deal with.... it's not suited to his game at all, and we're really not playing to his strengths at the moment. He thrives on service and balls into his feet and there just isn't any of that at the moment (bar Palace).
Pogue Mahone
Closet Gooner.
Or c) he's not competing to win headers with the intensity he did last season.
Or c) he's not competing to win headers with the intensity he did last season.
I wouldn't say it's that at all - Did we really see RVP compete with defenders for that many headers last season? Certainly not the long pumped ones we've generally seen so far this season. When the ball is flat, RVP will do a fine job of flicking it on/bringing it down - and he's done that this season too... but he's hardly ever going to win a battle for a high looping ball with a centre-back.
This is nobodies fault other than the players though - mainly our centrebacks, who have resorted to pumping it long on far too many occassions this season. For all his faults, Moyes isn't a complete idiot, and I don't for a second believe he's instructed them to knock it long at any given opportunity.Sure, the fact that defenders are having to do this might be a reflection of the movement by midfielders in front of them... but still.
pauldyson1uk
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Dont think anybody has turned on RVP, is it not just a discussion about what if's.Turning on RvP? I despair of this forum sometimes...
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I have translated the whole interview, nearly word for word and sometimes almost literally (where possible). I have bolded the parts most highlighted by the British media and have marked the time frame during which it was said in the video. What stands out most:
-British media say RVP said "We are lousy". Incorrect, he only said our current standing in the league is lousy.
-According to a translation earlier in the thread where someone posted what a Newbie made out of the RVP interview, the interviewer asked him whether he knows what the problem is at United and that RVP said "yes I know, but I am not one who points fingers at others". Lies, he was never asked that question and newbie used a quote in another of his answers to another question to fuel the bullshit.
-When asked about the tactics, he answered what he thought went wrong tactically in a pro-active and positive brooding way. Like someone who knows and loves football. British media and some on here are destroying him for daring to answer a question in an honest way... when during better times last season, they praised his honest and direct answers and that everything he says is showing that he is a student of the game... go figure.
-When asked about the lack of trophies, he wasn't in any way negative and took it in a good humoured manner, looking to the future rather than the past, focusing on our team rather than the manager.
-When asked about Moyes being under fire, he defends him by saying he is working hard and that we (the team) should be doing better and has supported Moyes' lack of luck mantra.
All in all, it seems a far more positive interview than the one that Carrick gave which he was lambasted for on here because he was giving standard answers, showed no personality or fire and he actually did not answer the question whether the team should be taking responsibility for that whereas RVP kept repeating how the team should and gave honest thoughtful answers. So why all the hate? You can't have it both ways.
Anyway, here is the translation and link to the video if you want to gauge the mood when he said what http://nos.nl/video/616277-van-persie-gelooft-nog-in-kwartfinale.html
Interviewer: "Robin, nice game."
RVP: "Yeah, delightful eh?"
Interviewer: "Shocking..."
RVP: "Yeah, it wasn't good."
Ïnterviewer: "I don't recognize United at all... though I haven't watched you guys lately"
RVP: <laughs> "That could be the reason. Nah, we created little, didn't play well, which could lead to such a defeat. They didn't really have big chances either, their first goal was quite lucky, the second one was a good goal. But they didn't really create played out chances, they weren't fantastic or anything. We were just bad."
Interviewer: "The game was a bit comparable to that of PSG, first twenty minutes you thought "well, ok", seems like you weathered the storm.. but you didn't strike back at all after it.
RVP: "No, we failed to do that. The back four and the two midfielders did well in possession, but nothing much happened in the front ranks, so that makes it very dificult. Then you have to hope for that one chance and it did come <interviewer interrupts contineously here with comments like "you certainly did", "too hasty", "slipped a bit" etc). I know I had to make that. The first part was good, first touch good, everything went according to plan, but the shot was a bit too hasty and that's a pity because I don't get many chances so when I do get one, it has to be in."
1:17-1:50
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Interviewer: "Don't you have the urge sometimes to go look for the ball, to have some touches with it.
RVP: "Yeah, I have that urge alot. But uhhh <interviewer interrupts with: "you are not allowed to").. no no no, of course it is allowed, but my teammates sometimes take up the position and spaces that I like to play in, so when I see that it is difficult for me to also go into that space. So I have to adapt my running lines on the basis of where my teammates are standing/playing, and unfortunately that's oftentimes in my playing zones... and that is uhh... yes, a bit unfortunate/a pity.
Interviewer: "What I am missing, and certainly in an English team, Man United used to play with power, pace, and I'm not even talking about defence splitting passes which comes with patience." (bit difficult to literally translate it, what he's trying to say is that he doesn't even see the basic attributes of a top English team in our play).
RVP: "Yeah no (we love to say that in dutch, just means we are confirming the observation), exactly. We actually can play like that, but we didn't do that today. It was just too slow today and because of that you don't create much. We have, what, 2 shots on target in the entire match? Against Olympiakos, that's far too little. So uhh, everyone is very disappointed.
2:20-2:43
Interviewer: "You came for the trophies. You're not going to be finding them for a while."
RVP: "Well yeah <laughs>, it's going to be difficult <interviewer laughs and interrupts with: "looking looking">, yeah we are in a lousy position in the league, out of the Cups, this is the only real chance we still have left. But it's still possible, look uhh, with all respect, we can take this team with 2 or 3 nil.
Interviewer: "Should be possible <smiling/smirking>. My English colleagues are saying, your manager is under fire. Do you guys feel that way?
2:44-3:42
RVP: "Yeah look, it is new, it needs time. He is working very hard on it, us too, and sometimes we do play quite well, but not always... <sighs> we haven't really been on the right side of luck.. I am a type of believes in making your own luck, it's not an excuse, absolutely not. But everything that can go wrong, like that first goal, the way it went in... goals like that really don't help. So uhmm... the wind has not been blowing our way. It's us who have to turn it around, look it's very easy to point at someone, but I'm not like that. We have to fill out the spaces ourselves (a dutch way of saying we have to do our jobs better), and those chances, in some phases during a season you don't get many chances, so the chances you do get have to be in.. oftentimes it happens, but not today, and that sucks.
The remaining 15 seconds of that interview is him asking about how he is physically, seeing that the world cup is close. He is fine.
-British media say RVP said "We are lousy". Incorrect, he only said our current standing in the league is lousy.
-According to a translation earlier in the thread where someone posted what a Newbie made out of the RVP interview, the interviewer asked him whether he knows what the problem is at United and that RVP said "yes I know, but I am not one who points fingers at others". Lies, he was never asked that question and newbie used a quote in another of his answers to another question to fuel the bullshit.
-When asked about the tactics, he answered what he thought went wrong tactically in a pro-active and positive brooding way. Like someone who knows and loves football. British media and some on here are destroying him for daring to answer a question in an honest way... when during better times last season, they praised his honest and direct answers and that everything he says is showing that he is a student of the game... go figure.
-When asked about the lack of trophies, he wasn't in any way negative and took it in a good humoured manner, looking to the future rather than the past, focusing on our team rather than the manager.
-When asked about Moyes being under fire, he defends him by saying he is working hard and that we (the team) should be doing better and has supported Moyes' lack of luck mantra.
All in all, it seems a far more positive interview than the one that Carrick gave which he was lambasted for on here because he was giving standard answers, showed no personality or fire and he actually did not answer the question whether the team should be taking responsibility for that whereas RVP kept repeating how the team should and gave honest thoughtful answers. So why all the hate? You can't have it both ways.
Anyway, here is the translation and link to the video if you want to gauge the mood when he said what http://nos.nl/video/616277-van-persie-gelooft-nog-in-kwartfinale.html
Interviewer: "Robin, nice game."
RVP: "Yeah, delightful eh?"
Interviewer: "Shocking..."
RVP: "Yeah, it wasn't good."
Ïnterviewer: "I don't recognize United at all... though I haven't watched you guys lately"
RVP: <laughs> "That could be the reason. Nah, we created little, didn't play well, which could lead to such a defeat. They didn't really have big chances either, their first goal was quite lucky, the second one was a good goal. But they didn't really create played out chances, they weren't fantastic or anything. We were just bad."
Interviewer: "The game was a bit comparable to that of PSG, first twenty minutes you thought "well, ok", seems like you weathered the storm.. but you didn't strike back at all after it.
RVP: "No, we failed to do that. The back four and the two midfielders did well in possession, but nothing much happened in the front ranks, so that makes it very dificult. Then you have to hope for that one chance and it did come <interviewer interrupts contineously here with comments like "you certainly did", "too hasty", "slipped a bit" etc). I know I had to make that. The first part was good, first touch good, everything went according to plan, but the shot was a bit too hasty and that's a pity because I don't get many chances so when I do get one, it has to be in."
1:17-1:50
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Interviewer: "Don't you have the urge sometimes to go look for the ball, to have some touches with it.
RVP: "Yeah, I have that urge alot. But uhhh <interviewer interrupts with: "you are not allowed to").. no no no, of course it is allowed, but my teammates sometimes take up the position and spaces that I like to play in, so when I see that it is difficult for me to also go into that space. So I have to adapt my running lines on the basis of where my teammates are standing/playing, and unfortunately that's oftentimes in my playing zones... and that is uhh... yes, a bit unfortunate/a pity.
Interviewer: "What I am missing, and certainly in an English team, Man United used to play with power, pace, and I'm not even talking about defence splitting passes which comes with patience." (bit difficult to literally translate it, what he's trying to say is that he doesn't even see the basic attributes of a top English team in our play).
RVP: "Yeah no (we love to say that in dutch, just means we are confirming the observation), exactly. We actually can play like that, but we didn't do that today. It was just too slow today and because of that you don't create much. We have, what, 2 shots on target in the entire match? Against Olympiakos, that's far too little. So uhh, everyone is very disappointed.
2:20-2:43
Interviewer: "You came for the trophies. You're not going to be finding them for a while."
RVP: "Well yeah <laughs>, it's going to be difficult <interviewer laughs and interrupts with: "looking looking">, yeah we are in a lousy position in the league, out of the Cups, this is the only real chance we still have left. But it's still possible, look uhh, with all respect, we can take this team with 2 or 3 nil.
Interviewer: "Should be possible <smiling/smirking>. My English colleagues are saying, your manager is under fire. Do you guys feel that way?
2:44-3:42
RVP: "Yeah look, it is new, it needs time. He is working very hard on it, us too, and sometimes we do play quite well, but not always... <sighs> we haven't really been on the right side of luck.. I am a type of believes in making your own luck, it's not an excuse, absolutely not. But everything that can go wrong, like that first goal, the way it went in... goals like that really don't help. So uhmm... the wind has not been blowing our way. It's us who have to turn it around, look it's very easy to point at someone, but I'm not like that. We have to fill out the spaces ourselves (a dutch way of saying we have to do our jobs better), and those chances, in some phases during a season you don't get many chances, so the chances you do get have to be in.. oftentimes it happens, but not today, and that sucks.
The remaining 15 seconds of that interview is him asking about how he is physically, seeing that the world cup is close. He is fine.
Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
Was there a clause in the contract which spelled this out?
If not, he should knuckle the feck down and do his best to dig the club out of the hole it's in. Him and every other player at the club. These guys earn stupendous wages and have to take the rough with the smooth. Be an absolute disgrace if their effort or commitment dropped because we're having a bad season under a new manager.
Sorry but that post is bollocks.
He's our top scorer this season despite being out injured for a long period. If anyone is 'knuckling the feck down and doing his best to dig us out of this hole' it's him. He's feeding off scraps and is pissed off about it, but despite that he's still banging them in, since he's come back from injury, he's scored in 4 out of the 6 matches he's played in and we've only scored a total of 7 goals in those 6 matches.
amolbhatia50k
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He has a league title to his name. Something he probably wouldnt have ever had with Arsenal. That makes the decision the correct one if trophies were his ambition.In hindsight it wasnt smart, because his goals were to win trophies, and work with SAF. Im not sure 1 league title would have been what he was expecting, as if he now went on to leave it looks a bit cheap from him, as if he used United just to get a league medal in his career. Fact remains I wouldn't blame him for leaving, hes in a worse position now than he was 2 seasons ago, but these things happen in life with jobs.
Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
Thanks Kevin!
a_devil_inside
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Has Van Persie actually said he's thinking about his options and that we're 'lousy' or are the press just taking random bits of answers to make up some headlines?
As mentioned before his other quotes were taken out of context about players playing in his space.
As mentioned before his other quotes were taken out of context about players playing in his space.
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Thank you professor. You're indeed a shining light to this forum.I have translated the whole interview, nearly word for word and sometimes almost literally (where possible). I have bolded the parts most highlighted by the British media and have marked the time frame during which it was said in the video. What stands out most:
-British media say RVP said "We are lousy". Incorrect, he only said our current standing in the league is lousy.
-According to a translation earlier in the thread where someone posted what a Newbie made out of the RVP interview, the interviewer asked him whether he knows what the problem is at United and that RVP said "yes I know, but I am not one who points fingers at others". Lies, he was never asked that question and newbie used a quote in another of his answers to another question to fuel the bullshit.
-When asked about the tactics, he answered what he thought went wrong tactically in a pro-active and positive brooding way. Like someone who knows and loves football. British media and some on here are destroying him for daring to answer a question in an honest way... when during better times last season, they praised his honest and direct answers and that everything he says is showing that he is a student of the game... go figure.
-When asked about the lack of trophies, he wasn't in any way negative and took it in a good humoured manner, looking to the future rather than the past, focusing on our team rather than the manager.
-When asked about Moyes being under fire, he defends him by saying he is working hard and that we (the team) should be doing better and has supported Moyes' lack of luck mantra.
All in all, it seems a far more positive interview than the one that Carrick gave which he was lambasted for on here because he was giving standard answers, showed no personality or fire and he actually did not answer the question whether the team should be taking responsibility for that whereas RVP kept repeating how the team should and gave honest thoughtful answers. So why all the hate? You can't have it both ways.
Anyway, here is the translation and link to the video if you want to gauge the mood when he said what http://nos.nl/video/616277-van-persie-gelooft-nog-in-kwartfinale.html
Interviewer: "Robin, nice game."
RVP: "Yeah, delightful eh?"
Interviewer: "Shocking..."
RVP: "Yeah, it wasn't good."
Ïnterviewer: "I don't recognize United at all... though I haven't watched you guys lately"
RVP: <laughs> "That could be the reason. Nah, we created little, didn't play well, which could lead to such a defeat. They didn't really have big chances either, their first goal was quite lucky, the second one was a good goal. But they didn't really create played out chances, they weren't fantastic or anything. We were just bad."
Interviewer: "The game was a bit comparable to that of PSG, first twenty minutes you thought "well, ok", seems like you weathered the storm.. but you didn't strike back at all after it.
RVP: "No, we failed to do that. The back four and the two midfielders did well in possession, but nothing much happened in the front ranks, so that makes it very dificult. Then you have to hope for that one chance and it did come <interviewer interrupts contineously here with comments like "you certainly did", "too hasty", "slipped a bit" etc). I know I had to make that. The first part was good, first touch good, everything went according to plan, but the shot was a bit too hasty and that's a pity because I don't get many chances so when I do get one, it has to be in."
1:17-1:50
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Interviewer: "Don't you have the urge sometimes to go look for the ball, to have some touches with it.
RVP: "Yeah, I have that urge alot. But uhhh <interviewer interrupts with: "you are not allowed to").. no no no, of course it is allowed, but my teammates sometimes take up the position and spaces that I like to play in, so when I see that it is difficult for me to also go into that space. So I have to adapt my running lines on the basis of where my teammates are standing/playing, and unfortunately that's oftentimes in my playing zones... and that is uhh... yes, a bit unfortunate/a pity.
Interviewer: "What I am missing, and certainly in an English team, Man United used to play with power, pace, and I'm not even talking about defence splitting passes which comes with patience." (bit difficult to literally translate it, what he's trying to say is that he doesn't even see the basic attributes of a top English team in our play).
RVP: "Yeah no (we love to say that in dutch, just means we are confirming the observation), exactly. We actually can play like that, but we didn't do that today. It was just too slow today and because of that you don't create much. We have, what, 2 shots on target in the entire match? Against Olympiakos, that's far too little. So uhh, everyone is very disappointed.
2:20-2:43
Interviewer: "You came for the trophies. You're not going to be finding them for a while."
RVP: "Well yeah <laughs>, it's going to be difficult <interviewer laughs and interrupts with: "looking looking">, yeah we are in a lousy position in the league, out of the Cups, this is the only real chance we still have left. But it's still possible, look uhh, with all respect, we can take this team with 2 or 3 nil.
Interviewer: "Should be possible <smiling/smirking>. My English colleagues are saying, your manager is under fire. Do you guys feel that way?
2:44-3:42
RVP: "Yeah look, it is new, it needs time. He is working very hard on it, us too, and sometimes we do play quite well, but not always... <sighs> we haven't really been on the right side of luck.. I am a type of believes in making your own luck, it's not an excuse, absolutely not. But everything that can go wrong, like that first goal, the way it went in... goals like that really don't help. So uhmm... the wind has not been blowing our way. It's us who have to turn it around, look it's very easy to point at someone, but I'm not like that. We have to fill out the spaces ourselves (a dutch way of saying we have to do our jobs better), and those chances, in some phases during a season you don't get many chances, so the chances you do get have to be in.. oftentimes it happens, but not today, and that sucks.
The remaining 15 seconds of that interview is him asking about how he is physically, seeing that the world cup is close. He is fine.
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