Complete meltdown commenced almost 2 months ago! Keep up!
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Complete meltdown commenced almost 2 months ago! Keep up!
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Chicharito on twitter : Why do the press always take comments out of context, my comment on Instagram had nothing to do with RVP. We are great teammates working for the same goal, the TEAM! & Cause the team isn’t doing as well as we’d like everyone just wants to make everything look like a bad thing!
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Robin van Persie has said sorry to his Manchester United teammates and claimed he was not criticising them in a post-match interview earlier this week. Van Persie has pulled his colleagues aside at training to apologise for his remarks and claimed that he was talking about his own game rather than having a go at them or manager David Moyes. [Daily Mirror]
Chicharito on twitter : Why do the press always take comments out of context, my comment on Instagram had nothing to do with RVP. We are great teammates working for the same goal, the TEAM! & Cause the team isn’t doing as well as we’d like everyone just wants to make everything look like a bad thing!
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Robin van Persie has said sorry to his Manchester United teammates and claimed he was not criticising them in a post-match interview earlier this week. Van Persie has pulled his colleagues aside at training to apologise for his remarks and claimed that he was talking about his own game rather than having a go at them or manager David Moyes. [Daily Mirror]
How bout this:
RvP is a better striker than Rooney. Therefore we should dump Rooney and that way we can play Mata (our best number 10, in his natural position).
Is that clear cut enough for you? I dare you to tell me Rooney's a better striker than RvP. I dare you.
I think most of us know Van Persie is the better striker.
But we have committed ourselves to Wayne now. Personally I feel upfront is the only place where he is a truly world class player, plus he is younger. Growing forward we have to build around him. I think Van Persie will end up leaving in the summer.
We can still sell Rooney. We just have to find a club dumb enough to pay his wages. RvP upfront makes us the btter team. We should do what makes us the better team.
I agree, but Van Persie is going to be 31. He has what 2 years left of his peak?
Rooney will be 29, I think the club have made their bed.
I just hope if RVP goes we don't sell him to Arsenal or Chelsea.
Rooney doesn't even play as a striker (although he wanted to ) so it's a pretty silly statement asking who's better as striker. It's like me saying, I dare you to tell me RVP's a better attacking mid/second striker than Rooney. I dare you. He doesn't play there so there's no comparison.
When Rooney has played striker this season and in the past, he's just as good as anyone out there, in my opinion.
One full season he had up top in 09/10, he scored 34 goals. Since then, he's been moved around, and other people have been playing inside his zones.
With all the interchanging that goes on between the front four at the you mentioned, he'd be bound to moan that the players are playing in his zone.
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Is Kevin available to translate this fully?
Apparantly, he regrets his interview made after the match and has apologized to his teammates (official Norwegian United website).
If we don't make it to the quarter final, one might make a case for RVP squandering obvious chances two years in a row that seriously impairs our chances of progressing to the next rounds... A bit shocking that.
If we win 1-0 at Old Trafford maybe yes. We should be beating Olympiakos over two legs anyway. If it comes down to Van Persie missing one chance, we weren't good enough. Which was the case.
You know what he meant.
It is a discussion to be had behind closed doors, but it was good to hear his honest opinions on the tactical side.
Moyes has clearly instilled no tactical discipline and doesn't know how to get the best out of his best two players.
I actually don't. Someone's in your zone, you move. Simple! He's just being petty.
As explained previously in this thread, when Rooney and Welbeck play together, they link up so much better as Welbeck is always willing to drop if Rooney moves into his area. It's football, for God's sake.
It is a slightly strange complaint.
We've already heard him talking about how him and Rooney can play together a two "9.5"s.
How can he come out with that sort of chat and then complain about not having certain zones all to himself?
We've already heard him talking about how him and Rooney can play together a two "9.5"s.
How can he come out with that sort of chat and then complain about not having certain zones all to himself?
I think he failed to politely address that he's not seeing as much of the ball as Rooney. Ended up looking like a bit of a knob.
He's just being a baby because things aren't going so well this season.
Because SAF managed to keep Rooney more disciplined. Look how we played last season. Rooney wasn't in the box all the time, played really more of a 10. This season he tries to play in the box more and it shows.
If you read what he said you would've seen him say he does move but see's less of the ball. That should be pretty evident to anyone watching.
See second part of post #10962.
Manager and coaches have the responsibility of directing players and getting the best out of their talented players. In all, it's also down to the manager to maintain harmony among players and instil confidence in them and motivate them. Under Fergie, many things happened behind closed door which are handled and dealt with. Sadly we don't have that anymore.
It's definitely evident that he sees less of the ball. He's been on the fringes of the action a lot this season. Not sure he can blame that all on his team-mates though.
You could actually argue that we played our best attacking football this season without him.
Not that our attacking football has ever been brilliant but in the handful of games where we did manage to score 3 goals or more, he's generally not been involved.
You could actually argue that we played our best attacking football this season without him.
Not that our attacking football has ever been brilliant but in the handful of games where we did manage to score 3 goals or more, he's generally not been involved.
Actually, I got that wrong.
Here are all the games this season where we scored 3 or more goals.
With Van Persie
Swansea away (4-1)
Stoke at home (3-2)
Fulham away (3-1)
Bayer at home (4-2)
Without Van Persie
Villa away (3-0)
West Ham at home (3-1)
Hull away (3-2)
Bayer away (5-0)
Here are all the games this season where we scored 3 or more goals.
With Van Persie
Swansea away (4-1)
Stoke at home (3-2)
Fulham away (3-1)
Bayer at home (4-2)
Without Van Persie
Villa away (3-0)
West Ham at home (3-1)
Hull away (3-2)
Bayer away (5-0)
Are you saying Van Persie doesn't drop deep?
There is a pattern in our pay were he is isolated, he made the point that when he attempts to get involved there is somebody where he wants to be.
There isn't a lot of football being played into feet in the final third so he is honestly feeding on scraps. He made a tactical observation and your calling him 'petty'. I don't get it. Fans have mentioned Rooney going to far forward and not helping to link the midfield and attack, but the second Van Persie mentions it he is petty.
I believe he should have kept it indoors, but who knows what is going on. I'll be watching intently next match and I might actually watch the Olympiakos match again to get a better idea of what he meant.
This is wildly off-topic but I remember making a post about this last season, so I went and checked. At this point last season we'd scored 3 or more goals in seventeen matches. Grim, tbh.
If we continue the wing play, Rooney is a better striker for this system. He is stronger, is great in the air, and misses less easy chances.
RVP has a far better touch and is better at creating his own chance.
The only way the 2 can play together is if we get a dynamic midfielder who can play next to Carrick and be both a playmaker and midfield general at the same time. Very rare to find and there aren't that many Keane midfielders available anyway. Shame.
RVP has a far better touch and is better at creating his own chance.
The only way the 2 can play together is if we get a dynamic midfielder who can play next to Carrick and be both a playmaker and midfield general at the same time. Very rare to find and there aren't that many Keane midfielders available anyway. Shame.
Ugh.
I remember Fergie saying a few months after he joined that it took our team a while after RvP joined for us to spot and pick out his runs and that his movement in the box was really intelligent but we weren't making full use of it and it was something that we were still working on in training and games. Carrick had a really good understanding with RvP past season playing him in a lot with through balls to his feet or lofted balls over the top. I remember RvP waxing lyrical about the cut-backs from Valencia against Arsenal(?) and Chelsea and how they worked on that move all week before the game with Rene in training.
RvP has been peripheral all season and despite the fact that he's scoring at a better rate than last season it's quite obvious that the service to him has been beyond shite. Instead of slow patient build up play we try to rush the ball into the box from wide by hitting early high crosses that don't suit him at all. I can't see why we would play in such a way when he us our biggest goal threat. One of the things that has annoyed me the most this season is the fact that we don't seem to be trying to play to anyone's strengths just sticking to the plan A come what may. The service to RvP wasn't excellent but we were averaging 3 through balls per game last season and this season it's down to 1. This season we are putting more crosses in per game and I would argue that my eyes are telling me that the quality of the cross has declined although I don't have the stats to support that opinion. Our attacks through the middle has also dropped from 28% and 11th in the league to 24% and 20th in the league. All these things are bound to affect RvPs game yet he's still scoring.
I can only imagine the teammates playing in his zones comment was frustration boiling over or like so many of us have pointed out, the fact that him and Rooney are both making the sane rubs, pushing high behind the oppositions defence when one (Rooney) clearly needs to drop into the hole no.
RvP has been peripheral all season and despite the fact that he's scoring at a better rate than last season it's quite obvious that the service to him has been beyond shite. Instead of slow patient build up play we try to rush the ball into the box from wide by hitting early high crosses that don't suit him at all. I can't see why we would play in such a way when he us our biggest goal threat. One of the things that has annoyed me the most this season is the fact that we don't seem to be trying to play to anyone's strengths just sticking to the plan A come what may. The service to RvP wasn't excellent but we were averaging 3 through balls per game last season and this season it's down to 1. This season we are putting more crosses in per game and I would argue that my eyes are telling me that the quality of the cross has declined although I don't have the stats to support that opinion. Our attacks through the middle has also dropped from 28% and 11th in the league to 24% and 20th in the league. All these things are bound to affect RvPs game yet he's still scoring.
I can only imagine the teammates playing in his zones comment was frustration boiling over or like so many of us have pointed out, the fact that him and Rooney are both making the sane rubs, pushing high behind the oppositions defence when one (Rooney) clearly needs to drop into the hole no.
With all the moaning about our apparent refusal to do anything other than get the ball wide and lump it into the box, that's a surprisingly small difference between this season and last.
Not really when there is just 10% separating the top (Swansea) and bottom (Us) teams. A 4 % drop marks a pretty significant decrease especially when coupled with the fact that we are playing two fewer through balls per game - down from 3 to 1.
You are indeed spot on. I just find it slightly ironic that he, imo our best player who also came to United to win titles and challenge for a CL final may be partly responsible for our cup exit.
The team played rubbish - no doubt.
As prolific as he has been, he has a tendency to miss sitters. So odd for a player of his calibre.
I'm saying, for some reason or another, Welbeck, when playing up top, seems to get involved a lot more in our build up than RVP does. With us playing with the same patterns, why is this?
As for Rooney, he's had to sacrifice himself. He doesn't really want to play in the position he's currently playing in, yet he's doing it. If he had his choice, he'd be playing up top where Van Persie plays.
He should have kept it indoors. He had no right coming out and saying what he said, whether people thought he was right or not.
To be fair, it looks like he's acknowledged this and apologized. Outbursts at the end of a game like that, after a season like this, are somewhat understandable imo. The players must be feeling the lowest they ever have in their careers right now. (Maybe not Smalling when he was at Maidstone I guess)
I understand that he's probably upset, but he's not the only one. I can imagine all the players are frustated with how the seasons gone so far.
It's not like Carrick come out in his interview and said, 'the movement in front of me is completely shite, which is the reason behind me passing sidewards and backwards tonight'.
Watch that Carrick interview closely when he's asked "Is it the manager". You can see how clearly he's itching to say "No shit its the manager". I'm not excusing RVP's behaviour, I'm just saying that a) it must be immensely frustrating and I doubt he'll be the only one to crack, and b) he spoke more sense in that interview than Moyes has all year.
Basically its tough times and I've sympathy for a guy who is very passionate about football and being made to play in the most tumescent of circumstances.
I think that he was bang out of order, but he has apparently apologised, so that's good. He shouldn't forget that he won the title here last season, which is better than anything he'd achieved in years at Arsenal. I mean, I understand his frustration, but he missed a sitter last night. Who's fault is that?
My take is that RVP was never a 60 game a season player - last season he made an effort because he desperately wanted to win something that he d never won, that is the PL. This season he had two objectives - the Champions League and the World Cup. He knows that we have no chance of winning the CL so he s focusing on being fit for the WC.
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