Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Carl said:
And so it begins..

Moyes won't last long now. Matter of time before the players started to speak out.
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No chance. The board will let Moyes strip the squad of it's best players in the summer for the sake of giving him a 'fair crack of the whip'.

It's fecking tragic.
 
The interview has been completely exaggerated and quotes are taken out of context. It was a balanced and honest interview. I'm sure if you want to overanalyze his answers you can come up with anything but considering the circumstances, I'd say the interview was in pretty good spirits.
 
Pexbo said:
I don think he was talking about Rooney at all considering Rooney has been playing so deep.


I think he was actually insinuating that some players are playing in the right areas with him (and others are not) meaning that he just isn't getting the service and is having to go out of his favourite area in order to look for it.



If you have read Fergie's book you will know Fergie will encourage Moyes to get rid of anyone who isn't under the managers control.

If that's 23 players, he will have a problem. If it's 4 or 5 they will leave before he does. We just have to hope we don't regret that.
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He's managed to turn the fans against our players to the point most will be happy to see him try flog Kagawa, Rafael, Hernandez, RVP, Nani in the summer.
 
Dominos said:
He's managed to turn the fans against our players to the point most will be happy to see him try flog Kagawa, Rafael, Hernandez, RVP, Nani in the summer.
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Looking at this squad, sadly, it's just like the Chelsea situation with AVB. It's a team of professionals who are super talented, manage themselves to an extent (which is how Fergie encouraged it to be) and aren't stupid. They know what is wrong and they know how it could be fixed.

If you gave them a manager who let them off the leash, showed them respect and believed in them, I think they'd play like a completely different team.

It's easy to say "they're pros getting paid they need to get on with it" but the mind of a sportsman is a delicate fragile thing and needs the right conditioning to perform at it's best, especially at that level. Right now it's stripped of all positivity and Moyes has zero motivational ability to get them up.
 
I just saw the interview on NOS and I speak dutch this is what he said:

-He is not happy about the performance today, he feels United should be able to do alot more against a team like Olympiakos.
-He said Olympiakos didn't create alot either and weren't brilliant, just got the 2 goals and he called the first one a bit lucky, he said it just was them (United) being really bad an not showing up.
-He also didn't want to point any finger because everybody in the team is responsible for this result.
-He said it has been a poor season and that the CL is the only competition they can still get something from.
-He evaded the question from the interviewer about him coming here for silverware and that being a bit difficult now.
-He said about the manager that he is new here and that is normal that he is finding it difficult in his new job.
-He said that the team and the manager also really haven't been lucky so far, he said he doesn't want to use it as an excuse because you make your own luck but the everything that can go wrong goes wrong.
-About the position he said that he likes to feel the ball a bit more, but that is difficult for him to do so because often, in this system, his teammates are running in the position(s) he would like to play in (to feel the ball a bit more) and he is a tad disappointed about that.
-He also was happy about his fitness and in the light of playing in the worldcup for The Netherlands the fact we won't be playing too many games anymore until the end of the season maybay isn't so bad (for him and the national team).
-He also thinks we definitley aren't out of this tie and he believes United should easily be able to win against this team 3-0 at OT.
 
Pexbo said:
I don think he was talking about Rooney at all considering Rooney has been playing so deep.


I think he was actually insinuating that some players are playing in the right areas with him (and others are not) meaning that he just isn't getting the service and is having to go out of his favourite area in order to look for it.



If you have read Fergie's book you will know Fergie will encourage Moyes to get rid of anyone who isn't under the managers control.

If that's 23 players, he will have a problem. If it's 4 or 5 they will leave before he does. We just have to hope we don't regret that.
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Yes I have no doubt that Fergie would support that but when it's star players being shown the door by a new, underperforming manager then it's likely the owners would become concerned.

I agree with Ferguson that the power should always be with the manager but in football the modern reality is if you lose the faith of your big players then your days are usually numbered. Ferguson had of course earned the right to be untouchable. Sacking a manager because of player power does set a dangerous precedent though and it may be the case that any players who overstepped the mark would need to be shown the door aswell.

This is all speculation, of course. For all we know, all is well within the camp but the players are always more likely to speak their mind after a defeat and you can read more into these comments than the usual club press releases. So if the quotes have been interpreted correctly it does not bode well.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I just saw the interview on NOS and I speak dutch this is what he said:

-He is not happy about the performance today, he feels United should be able to do alot more against a team like Olympiakos.
-He said Olympiakos didn't create alot either and weren't brilliant, just got the 2 goals and he called the first one a bit lucky, he said it just was them (United) being really bad an not showing up.
-He also didn't want to point any finger because everybody in the team is responsible for this result.
-He said it has been a poor season and that the CL is the only competition they can still get something from.
-He evaded the question from the interviewer about him coming here for silverware and that being a bit difficult now.
-He said about the manager that he is new here and that is normal that he is finding it difficult in his new job.
-He said that the team and the manager also really haven't been lucky so far, he said he doesn't want to use it as an excuse because you make your own luck but the everything that can go wrong goes wrong.
-About the position he said that he likes to feel the ball a bit more, but that is difficult for him to do so because often, in this system, his teammates are running in the position(s) he would like to play in (to feel the ball a bit more) and he is a tad disappointed about that.
-He also was happy about his fitness and in the light of playing in the worldcup for The Netherlands the fact we won't be playing too many games anymore until the end of the season maybay isn't so bad (for him and the national team).
-He also thinks we definitley aren't out of this tie and he believes United should easily be able to win against this team 3-0 at OT.
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Glad to hear, it seems as if the original interpretation of the quotes was misleading.
 
The White Pele said:
Glad to hear, it seems as if the original interpretation of the quotes was misleading.
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Yea it definitley was, some journos trying to create some sensational quotes from RVP about United and the coach by pulling everything out of context and pushing it in a 140 word tweet. Who would have thought ?
 
And of course, the likes of the Guardian have now written articles about RVP criticising his teammates while only including, surprise surprise, one or two sentences from the full interview to make it sound like he's complaining.
 
I think I've interpreted Keane's comment about Carrick's interview:

"Keane says Carrick interview was like tonight's performance-flat. From what we gather, Keane is set to make a surprise return from retirement to unflatten United performances."

Although saying that, half the caf would be in favour of this.
 
Red Shorts said:
I think I've interpreted Keane's comment about Carrick's interview:

"Keane says Carrick interview was like tonight's performance-flat. From what we gather, Keane is set to make a surprise return from retirement to unflatten United performances."

Although saying that, half the caf would be in favour of this.
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We should offer him a long-term contract as a half-time hairdryer.
 
Brophs said:
Didn't he speak about how well he and Rooney gelled because they were both 9 & 1/2s (that's positionally, not inches)?
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Wasn't that last season though? I don't know - their dynamic has seem to change slightly this season for me - though I may be wrong.
 
Brophs said:
Didn't he speak about how well he and Rooney gelled because they were both 9 & 1/2s (that's positionally, not inches)?
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Yes he did, and if you look at the interview he says teammated which indicates that he isn't happy with the setup of the team. If you look at us this season he certainly has a point. We used to play through the middle and get him the ball in the box with short passes, now we overload the box and whipp crosses in.
 
I have no problem with Rooney at number 10 but there are times in games when we have the ball that he pushes right up top with RVP and makes us play it to the wings. At one stage tonight Carrick had the ball, there was a huge amount of space in the middle where Rooney should have been but he pushed up top with RVP and Carrick was starved for options. Rooney literally could have received the ball, turned and been on the edge of their area by dropping into the space. The problem is its not like Rooney isn't an intelligent player so this could be purely down to the tactics they are being asked to perform.
 
I find it funny how he has the audacity to moan about so much stuff in so little time. I'll get stick for this, and I honestly couldn't give a shit.

To me, when he said "My teammates are in some of the areas where I want to play. This makes it difficult for me", I can only think he's talking about Wayne Rooney. I mean, who else could he be talking about? Furthermore, he goes onto say "then I have to change my tactics to suit my teammates, and play outside my zone. That's a pity." Well, welcome to the real world Robin. It's a TEAM game son. Rooney's been doing that for like 8 years for Utd. Despite wanting to play up top, over the years, Rooney's played on the wing, second striker, attacking midfielder, centre midfielder, etc, just to accommodate others. Why should you be treated differently? At the end of the day, there's eleven men on the pitch. If someone's in your 'zone', you move into another zone. It's not rocket science! FFS!

There's hardly zones in today's sort of football anyway. There's constant interchanging, especially with the front four. Some might disagree, but when Welbeck and Rooney play up top, and it has shown this season, if Rooney goes into Welbeck's zone, Welbeck will drop off. Today, RVP, in my opinion, was way too static. Yes, the service was far from great, but if the balls not coming to you, you go and look for it.

I know we're underachieving, and obviously our tactics have been a problem this season, however, I don't get how him coming out and saying all of this will change anything. He's just making Moyes and the club look like idiots. It's the last thing we need. No player is bigger than the club, and if he continues to come out with all these comments to the media, he can piss off, in my opinion.


Oh, and apparently he knows what's wrong with us? Since when has he become a manager? If that's the case, he maybe should've given Arsen some pointers on what was wrong with Arsenal, seeing as they haven't won feck all for God knows how long.
 
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johnmufc said:
I'm reluctant to turn on the players until we've a competent manager, but again I must make an exception for this mercenary. He's our new Berbatov, and with the ugly, sulking attitude to match. If ever there was a player perfect for Moyes, it is van Persie. He cannot handle the pressure in the most important of matches, and yet again he lets us down. I was ridiculed and humiliated for stating these truths after our defeat at Old Trafford to Manchester City last season, but yet again my assertion was proven correct. Quite extraordinary how he manages to miss the easiest chances when the team needs him most. Quite nauseating how this player is given zero criticism from the fans, despite having undoubtedly the worst attitude on the pitch of our players, in addition to his catalogue of high profile misses.
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Because he is our best player.

Sell Rooney and get 2 CM's behind Mata and we have a world class team again. The other option would be selling RvP and playing Rooney up top. That option isn't good enough because RvP is better than Rooney and Robin's our best player.
 
Shinjisan said:
You think he has been playing a lot further forward than he was last season? He used to drop deep and help with the build-up last season, now sits at the top and barely gets involved. Feels like we are under utilizing him. Not taking advantage of the strengths because of which Sir Alex bought him.
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Moyes knows feck all about his players' strength!!!
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
To me, when he said "My teammates are in some of the areas where I want to play. This makes it difficult for me", I can only think he's talking about Wayne Rooney. I mean, who else could he be talking about? Furthermore, he goes onto say "then I have to change my tactics to suit my teammates, and play outside my zone. That's a pity." Well, welcome to the real world Robin. It's a TEAM game son. Rooney's been doing that for like 8 years for Utd. Despite wanting to play up top, over the years, Rooney's played on the wing, second striker, attacking midfielder, centre midfielder, etc, just to accommodate others. Why should you be treated differently?
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Agreed.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
He's just making Moyes and the club look like idiots. It's the last thing we need. No player is bigger than the club, and if he continues to come out with all these comments to the media, he can piss off, in my opinion.
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Moyes and the club have made themselves look like idiots all by themselves. I'd normally agree with your general assertion, however, this is desperate. You're right, no player is bigger than the club. And neither is the manager. The reality of the situation is that Van Persie is correct in what he is saying. If this was some kind of tantrum whilst the club was in a good position - ring any bells? - I'd understand the criticism. It isn't. Our tactics are rotten, our players are getting torn to pieces and, yes, the likes of Van Persie probably do know a little bit about why we have problems. If the players revolted and it led to the sacking of Moyes then they'd have my full backing. My allegiance is to the good of the club. I also have more of an allegiance to our champions, not some loser who has accomplished nothing.
 
Kag said:
Moyes and the club have made themselves look like idiots all by themselves. I'd normally agree with your general assertion, however, this is desperate. You're right, no player is bigger than the club. And neither is the manager. The reality of the situation is that Van Persie is correct in what he is saying. If this was some kind of tantrum whilst the club was in a good position - ring any bells? - I'd understand the criticism. It isn't. Our tactics are rotten, our players are getting torn to pieces and, yes, the likes of Van Persie probably do know a little bit about why we have problems. If the players revolted and it led to the sacking of Moyes then they'd have my full backing. My allegiance is to the good of the club. I also have more of an allegiance to our champions, not some loser who has accomplished nothing.
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Whether he's correct or not, he shouldn't come out publicly and say what he said, in my opinion. It can/will unsettle the team, and from the season we've had so far, that's the last thing we need.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
I just saw the interview on NOS and I speak dutch this is what he said:

-He is not happy about the performance today, he feels United should be able to do alot more against a team like Olympiakos.
-He said Olympiakos didn't create alot either and weren't brilliant, just got the 2 goals and he called the first one a bit lucky, he said it just was them (United) being really bad an not showing up.
-He also didn't want to point any finger because everybody in the team is responsible for this result.
-He said it has been a poor season and that the CL is the only competition they can still get something from.
-He evaded the question from the interviewer about him coming here for silverware and that being a bit difficult now.
-He said about the manager that he is new here and that is normal that he is finding it difficult in his new job.
-He said that the team and the manager also really haven't been lucky so far, he said he doesn't want to use it as an excuse because you make your own luck but the everything that can go wrong goes wrong.
-About the position he said that he likes to feel the ball a bit more, but that is difficult for him to do so because often, in this system, his teammates are running in the position(s) he would like to play in (to feel the ball a bit more) and he is a tad disappointed about that.
-He also was happy about his fitness and in the light of playing in the worldcup for The Netherlands the fact we won't be playing too many games anymore until the end of the season maybay isn't so bad (for him and the national team).
-He also thinks we definitley aren't out of this tie and he believes United should easily be able to win against this team 3-0 at OT.
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This is where I am stuck on. If this is true, then wow! We aren't even getting the basics right.
 
kouroux said:
What RVP said seems like a criticism of Moyes and not his teammates.
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I actually interpret it as Rooney's criticism.

I guess we won't find out the truth though, we're starting to look pretty paranoid with all that overanalysing some words.
 
Kostur said:
I actually interpret it as Rooney's criticism.

I guess we won't find out the truth though, we're starting to look pretty paranoid with all that overanalysing some words.
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I thought I edited it my post ... I meant to add that I was convincing myself that the players are gonna start to publicly criticize Moyes to the pt of his sacking.
 
kouroux said:
I thought I edited it my post ... I meant to add that I was convincing myself that the players are gonna start to publicly criticize Moyes to the pt of his sacking.
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Ah, I doubt that's going to happen to be fair. I wouldn't be surprised if our veterans who'll retire/leave after this season ( Rio, Vidić, maybe somebody more, please, Valencia maybe and he'll take Ashley Young too, wait, wrong thread ) will say a couple of unkind words though.
 
Kostur said:
Ah, I doubt that's going to happen to be fair. I wouldn't be surprised if our veterans who'll retire/leave after this season ( Rio, Vidić, maybe somebody more, please, Valencia maybe and he'll take Ashley Young too, wait, wrong thread ) will say a couple of unkind words though.
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I agree with this, just showing that anything to get Moyes out at this stage is fine by me.
 
i would be quite happy to see Robin leave in the summer.
I no i may well be in the minority here but he is annoying the pants off me.

Walking around the pitch with slumped shoulders, looking p*ssed off all the time. I understand him being frustrated at the service that is currently provided but all his attitude does is provoke unrest in the team.
This is a 30 year old player with bags of experience that was captain of Arsenal for a year or 2 so he should be leading by example, and the example he is currently setting is that of an arse.

Not just that, but i feel our team would be more productive with Mata playing centrally behind Rooney, who doesnt have the same level of finese in his finishing as Robin but offers far more to the team when playing up top and will still score us 30 goals a season.
 
SiRed said:
i would be quite happy to see Robin leave in the summer.
I no i may well be in the minority here but he is annoying the pants off me.

Walking around the pitch with slumped shoulders, looking p*ssed off all the time. I understand him being frustrated at the service that is currently provided but all his attitude does is provoke unrest in the team.
This is a 30 year old player with bags of experience that was captain of Arsenal for a year or 2 so he should be leading by example, and the example he is currently setting is that of an arse.

Not just that, but i feel our team would be more productive with Mata playing centrally behind Rooney, who doesnt have the same level of finese in his finishing as Robin but offers far more to the team when playing up top and will still score us 30 goals a season.
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Yes get rid of our best player and not a manager miss managing him.
 
You are all kidding yourselves if you think players speaking out will help hasten Moyes' departure. It sets a terrible precedent. SAF is obsessed with players not getting bigger than the club and will make sure we ship out the trouble makers before the manager. If anything, it will help identify who we need to get rid of in the summer.
 
It is very sad for a team like Manchester United to loose a coach so easily but from what I've understood from his post match interview and body language is that Moyes will resign if we do not qualify for the next round.
 
A world-class player like Van Persie does not become crap over night.

Like I said in another thread, RvP on his day, is technically, with the ball at his feet, one of the very best in the world on his day, who was scoring for fun last season.

Instead of playing to his strengths, like we did last year, by getting players to make runs off him to give him pockets of space to turn and shoot or by asking our team to look to play him through on goal, Moyes has decided, with all of his title-winning experience, that RVP is better off, banging the ball out wide and running into the box to score from headers.

I can only imagine how frustrating it is as a player (let alone a suffering fan) to have to practice that day in day out at training and then see it fail again and again, game after game, when you know it simply doesn't work.

No one asked Moyes to re-invent the flipping wheel, but he sure as hell doesn't have a clue.
 
Not surprised at all if he's having a go at Moyes there. Its absolutely criminal how we're utilizing our players at the moment. A player like RVP in the team and we barely manage to getting him involved in the game.

I'm glad he didnt point any fingers but yes, he shouldnt be commenting on it publicly. If the players dont trust the manager, get together and talk with people higher up. Dont use the media as a channel.
 
dmode said:
It is very sad for a team like Manchester United to loose a coach so easily but from what I've understood from his post match interview and body language is that Moyes will resign if we do not qualify for the next round.
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Like feck he will. 2 simple reasons:

1) It'l show him to lack bollocks and faith in his own ability.
2) He'l lose out on 25-30mil or so in compensation. He's not a fool.
 
The greedy leprechaun will never resign. He will have to be fired and compensated heavily for the privilege of of bringing the club to its knees.
 
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