Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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He missed a chance reminiscent of Welbeck, I don't think he should be shouting his mouth off about others.
 
Don't think he's talking about Januzaj or Mata as they weren't involved today. So that leaves Rooney, Young and Valencia. Welbeck and Kagawa came on around the 60 min mark. My guess is its probably Rooney or Welbeck.
 
You know what anyone that starts to slate RvP now off can feck right off. Not because I'm his fanboy or anything, but this man wants to win, simply as it is. Maybe he isn't as good or as effective as last season, but RvP has been a world class player whenever he was fit. The player that last year won us the title singlehandedly and Wenger even said to SAF he's even better than he might think.

We are in a mess and he was promised that SAF wouldn't leave the next few years. But still until now he didn't say a thing wrong or anything and simply played as good as he could given the system and the rest of the squad. How many good players are we about to lose just because Moyes can't use them properly? Maybe he is sulking but who wouldn't? He took less money to be at a competitive club for the peak of his years and now he has to deal with Moyes.
 
Don't think he's talking about Januzaj or Mata as they weren't involved today. So that leaves Rooney, Young and Valencia. Welbeck and Kagawa came on around the 60 min mark. My guess is its probably Rooney or Welbeck.

It's Rooney without a doubt
 
I'm reluctant to turn on the players until we've a competent manager, but again I must make an exception for this mercenary. He's our new Berbatov, and with the ugly, sulking attitude to match. If ever there was a player perfect for Moyes, it is van Persie. He cannot handle the pressure in the most important of matches, and yet again he lets us down. I was ridiculed and humiliated for stating these truths after our defeat at Old Trafford to Manchester City last season, but yet again my assertion was proven correct. Quite extraordinary how he manages to miss the easiest chances when the team needs him most. Quite nauseating how this player is given zero criticism from the fans, despite having undoubtedly the worst attitude on the pitch of our players, in addition to his catalogue of high profile misses.
 
I'm reluctant to turn on the players until we've a competent manager, but again I must make an exception for this mercenary. He's our new Berbatov, and with the ugly, sulking attitude to match. If ever there was a player perfect for Moyes, it is van Persie. He cannot handle the pressure in the most important of matches, and yet again he lets us down. I was ridiculed and humiliated for stating these truths after our defeat at Old Trafford to Manchester City last season, but yet again my assertion was proven correct. Quite extraordinary how he manages to miss the easiest chances when the team needs him most. Quite nauseating how this player is given zero criticism from the players, despite having undoubtedly the worst attitude on the pitch of our players, in addition to his catalogue of high profile misses.
And where was your hero tonight? One of the worst players on the pitch.
 
For missing a few chances? Part of the job.

Some of these shots aren't just "misses". Today wasn't an open goal, but for our best chance of the game he managed to hit it quite wide of the mark. If you don't think he has missed only a few chances then think again: he has missed quite a lot. Welbeck had a prime opportunity last year on one or two occasions and got ripped to shreds. I say rightly so; some of these shots just shouldn't be missed so wide of the mark, especially when these people are getting paid more in a week than people get paid in 10 years to do a job of at least hitting the ball towards an 18 ft wide target.
 
Surprised by the comments, i don't expect him to be the only pissed player in the dressing room, expect more of this soon.
 
It's obvious that he hasn't got a go at Rooney. Last season he said many times how happy he is to have such a great team mate like him. But SAF managed to keep Rooney under control and let RvP work his magic. Because we really don't have tactics right now, Rooney is simply trying to score more. I don't think it's a dig at Rooney more on Moyes.
 
Some of these shots aren't just "misses". Today wasn't an open goal, but for our best chance of the game he managed to hit it quite wide of the mark. If you don't think he has missed only a few chances then think again: he has missed quite a lot. Welbeck had a prime opportunity last year on one or two occasions and got ripped to shreds. I say rightly so; some of these shots just shouldn't be missed so wide of the mark, especially when these people are getting paid more in a week than people get paid in 10 years to do a job of at least hitting the ball towards an 18 ft wide target.
Welbeck was ripped to shreds because along with those misses he scored two goals all season. Van Persie is yet again our top scorer. A few misses can be forgiven for a player with 14 goals in 19 starts. If only all our players were so unreliable.
 
Three hundred thousand guesses as to who he's talking about there?

:smirk:

And if he takes Rooney's new contract as any sort of guide he will soon fear for his place in the team rather than zones on the pitch. The opening salvo of this engagement was fired a little while ago i suspect.
 
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Surprised by the comments, i don't expect him to be the only pissed player in the dressing room, expect more of this soon.

You can be sure that it won't get any easier when players like Chicharito or Vidic will be leaving this club and telling the truth.
 
Our best hope of getting rid of Moyes, assuming the share price doesn't collapse in the near future, is if some big names make it clear how unhappy they are. So well done Van Persie for speaking out.
 
:D

And if he takes Rooney's new contract as any sort of guide he will soon fear for his place in the team rather than zones on the pitch. The opening salvo of this engagement was fired a little while ago i suspect.

That contract is a disaster in terms of running the club. Defended by a bunch of fourteen-year olds who are too young to see how a better manager would have been able to keep Rooney without ceding so much power.
 
Welbeck was ripped to shreds because along with those misses he scored two goals all season. Van Persie is yet again our top scorer. A few misses can be forgiven for a player with 14 goals in 19 starts. If only all our players were so unreliable.

It's great he's our top scorer, and there isn't any criticism for that. But you are choosing to ignore the simple matter that he could have plenty more goals? This is incredible in the fact you continuously sidestep my point on what I'm criticizing. Rooney is our top goals and assist provider with 31 combined. Does he avoid criticism this season? Does he feck. And he's only two behind RvP too with less misses.
 
This added with carricks non-response on the Moyes question could be telling. 2 significant players publically not backing the manager.
 
I interpret it as a poorly veiled dig at Moyes. Not on another player. Combined with Rio speaking his mind about his team selection methods and Carrick not exactly taking bullets for Moyes in his post match comments tonight makes me think he's losing the dressing room big time. These are three big players and big personalities.
 
It's great he's our top scorer, and there isn't any criticism for that. But you are choosing to ignore the simple matter that he could have plenty more goals? This is incredible in the fact you continuously sidestep my point on what I'm criticizing. Rooney is our top goals and assist provider with 31 combined. Does he avoid criticism this season? Does he feck. And he's only two behind RvP too with less misses.
Because you're completely ignoring the fact that all strikers miss chances and his scoring rate is still so good because he is a great striker. Rooney has 19 assists this season? I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that one. He's also played 8 games more to get those two fewer goals. All while supposedly having a great season.
 
FFS. What the fluck is going on, RVP has a fantastic attitude yet he's coming out with that.

The manager does not have the confidence of all his players, some of them senior. But then he doesn't have confidence in all his players, some of them senior. He feels that some haven't been putting in the required effort. Some players don't agree with his tactics, which they consider too conservative. They've thought that from the start. There's not a football club in the world without similar problems, but United was different under Ferguson. Usually.

The players are not going to speak out in public. What's the point? Would you speak out in public against your boss while under contract? It's likely that you would lose your job.

Most players were underwhelmed when they first heard Moyes' name, but that was partly because of the shock of Ferguson's surprise retirement. They had gotten used to life as it was. And it was fine under Ferguson. Everyone quickly came round to the idea of giving Moyes their best shot. Some haven't, though.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterunited/id/4210?cc=5739
 
It's obvious that he hasn't got a go at Rooney. Last season he said many times how happy he is to have such a great team mate like him. But SAF managed to keep Rooney under control and let RvP work his magic. Because we really don't have tactics right now, Rooney is simply trying to score more. I don't think it's a dig at Rooney more on Moyes.

It's a dig at both because one's nose is firmly up the other's arse. Rooney has been on top of RVP in the last few games, even against Palace. RVP, Fellaini, and Rooney were all too close together repeatedly against Palace and despite our improved play, we struggled for much of the game.
 
I find his attitude a little disappointing but it may set the wheels in motion for an early exit for Moyes.
 
Lawl you utter cocknoses, I am dutch, i saw the interview, he actually defended Moyes and says time is needed and that we have been unlucky at times. The ''It's easy to point fingers at others, but I am not like that'' was during a long monologue of him saying how the team have to take it upon themselves to turn it around and not an answer to the question that is suggested by the british media.

All it took is one quote taken out of context by the gutter press to make some of you turn on the player who had alot to do with us winning no. 20 last season. LAWL
 
Because you're completely ignoring the fact that all strikers miss chances and his scoring rate is still so good because he is a great striker. Rooney has 19 assists this season? I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that one. He's also played 8 games more to get those two fewer goals. All while supposedly having a great season.

This will be my last reply to you, as you are clearly not getting the picture: RvP has missed not one golden chance, not two golden chances, but quite a few to count. Strikers miss yes, but for someone of his calibre and the positions he has got himself into, he has missed a worrying amount.

Rooney has got 19 assists this season in all competitions this season.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wayne-rooney/leistungsdaten/spieler_3332.html

But you seem to be a person of complete ignorance, so I will let you continue to play that card.
 
This will be my last reply to you, as you are clearly not getting the picture: RvP has missed not one golden chance, not two golden chances, but quite a few to count. Strikers miss yes, but for someone of his calibre and the positions he has got himself into, he has missed a worrying amount.

Rooney has got 19 assists this season in all competitions this season.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wayne-rooney/leistungsdaten/spieler_3332.html

But you seem to be a person of complete ignorance, so I will let you continue to play that card.
There is a God.
 
Can't wait for Rio, Evra, Vidic, Chicharito, Kagawa probably Rafael and Zaha's parting shots.
 
From the noobs

''Do you know what is wrong with this United'?''
He did not ask v Persie this question in the interview at all??? V persie also did not answer yes and the subsequent part about he wont point fingers was taken out of context to add fuel to the fabricated question by the newbie who posted that.

I say ban him.
 


Nah. That question was not asked to v Persie on the nos interview and they took one of his quotes (which he actually used to defend moyes) as an answer to said question that was never asked to insinuate trouble.
 
Young was playing often into his spaces and getting the ball more often than he did. That's why Evra was always providing the width on the left wing, and why Joel Campbell was always pushing forward to break out on counters. I'm certain that if you look at where most of Young's positions were during the match in possession, they will be mostly through the middle, especially for the first 60 minutes. That was before he moved to the right wing, with Welbeck and Kagawa coming in.

Does anyone have a position map of the players?
 
This will probably solidify Moyes' position. Fergie isn't going to allow player power to finish off Moyes.

It's kind of ironic how it's panned out with Rooney standing firm in backing the man chosen by Fergie whilst the striker SAF recently favoured is the one allegedly pointing the gun. It'd be great to hear a candid interview with Fergie about everything that's going on at the moment.
 
''Do you know what is wrong with this United'?''
He did not ask v Persie this question in the interview at all??? V persie also did not answer yes and the subsequent part about he wont point fingers was taken out of context to add fuel to the fabricated question by the newbie who posted that.

I say ban him.
Exactly, that question was never asked. They just asked him if the players felt the pressure that was on the manager and I also interpreted his answer as a defence of the manager's tactics. Although with a hint of frustration but that's perfectly understandable. The part about other players coming into his zones is also overstated.
 
I don think he was talking about Rooney at all considering Rooney has been playing so deep.


I think he was actually insinuating that some players are playing in the right areas with him (and others are not) meaning that he just isn't getting the service and is having to go out of his favourite area in order to look for it.

I find his attitude a little disappointing but it may set the wheels in motion for an early exit for Moyes.

If you have read Fergie's book you will know Fergie will encourage Moyes to get rid of anyone who isn't under the managers control.

If that's 23 players, he will have a problem. If it's 4 or 5 they will leave before he does. We just have to hope we don't regret that.
 
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