Really? I'd be amazed if half the people consider Rooney the better striker.
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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Really? I'd be amazed if half the people consider Rooney the better striker.
van Persie is the better striker. No doubt.
Poll up. Lets see. I'd be surprised if Rooney comes close but you never know I guess. People may see it totally differently to me.
Some of you lot are bat shit mental. In a time where we clearly lack some real genuine quality in the team, and half of you want us to sell Van Persie! One of the few actual world class players we have. Its beggars belief.
Where are you getting that from?
Just by reading this thread. Quite a lot of people seem quite open to the idea of selling him. Its like they've forgotten last season already.
I don't think anyone wants to sell him.
Eh? Even the biggest muppet on here doesn't want to sell RvP
This. RvP is our best player, but the Rooney fanboys will tell you otherwise.
I think the discussion has been about whether RVP wants to leave or not, rather than us wanting to sell him.
Hypothetically, if Cavani was available and guaranteed to choose United i would sell RVP and buy him.
I'm not convinced by Cavani tbh. Probably haven't seen enough of him to make a fair judgment though in all honestly.
I hope not!
You might argue that about almost all of our players then. I would much rather have RPV who doesn't rely on his physique the way Rooney does.
I agree that having both in the team seems to restrict us somewhat.
I agree with this assumption if we want to improve our football. However for the betterment of the squad and for longevity, keeping Rooney is more beneficial beneficial for United. If we are to keep Rooney and sell Van Persie, I would prefer that Rooney act as a false no.9 rather than a striker in a 4-3-3 partnered alongside Januzaj and Welbeck/Carvani?(in the forward line) in order to get the best out of our squad. Sort of similiar to how Rodgers has Liverpool setup. Mata, Kagawa, Powell, new mid, etc., playing just off of him in a midfield three would give our fans a reknewed look towards the way Manchester United play our football. A model that would actually move us away from traditional wingplay and make us more potent in possession and more cohesive as a team.
I do not believe that Rooney behind Mata in a 4-2-3-1 is the way going forward because Rooney does not have the ability to efficiently lead the line as an out and out striker. If we are to play an iteration of the 4-4-2, a striker that could hold the ball up, is pacy and have good ball control would be more suited for that system than a short striker who lacks in some of those department aforementioned.
If we're selling one, the other simply has to play as a pure striker. None of this get Cavani nonsense. NEither are very good as No 10s and both are very good strikers with RVP the better one. If we sell one, simply play the other as the striker, buy a winger and play him, Mata and Januzaj behind the one that stays.
Regarding longevity, its controversial but I believe both RVP and Rooney have similar amount of time left at the top as strikers with Rooney maybe having a year more. RVPs style, unlike Rooney, isnt dependent on pace at all. He can easily be at the top for 3 more years.
RVP has the better hold up play which is useful when we are playing against the top teams. The game at the Bernebeau last season is a very good example. Rooney never works out in such games because he's more liable to get frustrated and drop deeper and deeper rather than doing his job. His hold up play is also not as good.
There isn't much difference in their finishing, Rooney probably shades it. RVP does have this annoying tendency to miss sitters and I reckon Rooney is the better header of the ball. Rooney is much more creative and a better passer though.
There isn't much difference in their finishing, Rooney probably shades it. RVP does have this annoying tendency to miss sitters and I reckon Rooney is the better header of the ball. Rooney is much more creative and a better passer though.
Look at United's best striker and United's second best striker, they look adorable 
Rooney to miss 2weeks due to sun burns at that rate.. Better keep the lotions on hand Phil Neville..
obviously they removed their drinks before they took the picture. They forgot to move the coasters.
Nice photo. Agreed, suspicious coasters though! And for those debating earlier...
RVP goalscoring ratio 12/13: 1 goal every 1.6 games (30 in 48).
RVP goalscoring ratio 13/14: 1 goal every 1.46 games (13 in 19).
If he stays fit for the remainder of the season and plays a part in every game (theoretically), he'll score another 11 this year at that rate to end with 24 in 35. Still not bad at all!
RVP goalscoring ratio 12/13: 1 goal every 1.6 games (30 in 48).
RVP goalscoring ratio 13/14: 1 goal every 1.46 games (13 in 19).
If he stays fit for the remainder of the season and plays a part in every game (theoretically), he'll score another 11 this year at that rate to end with 24 in 35. Still not bad at all!
Goal-wise it's unfair to say he's been off the boil this season (which I've heard thrown around quite a bit). He's still scored at a really good rate despite his injuries.
And the cak service which often amounts to lumping the ball in his general direction.
are they happy because they are both getting more fit and feel a change coming on....or because they are both leaving in the summer....?
just kidding....
just kidding....
Yeah. At the time, I remember thinking the service to him was poor last season but it's been even more awful this season. I'd bet he's had fewer clear cut chances (although he doesn't tend to do too well with those!)
I am impressed with his scoring, how many chances does he actually get.He is feeding on scraps as he did last season. He is a top player. I just feel at 31 and the team in rebuild mode if he could get what we payed for him wouldn't say no. Stick Wayne up front and play Mata behind him,loosing booth would be a huge blow. Also if Van Persie goes, Welbeck gets more of a chance to play upfront.
Honestly we need to make the right moves this summer, every season from now on about 6-7 teams will be vying for the top 4 places. I would say we can expect Chelsea and City to be permanent fixtures,so really it's 2 places for 5 teams. Big summer for us.
Honestly we need to make the right moves this summer, every season from now on about 6-7 teams will be vying for the top 4 places. I would say we can expect Chelsea and City to be permanent fixtures,so really it's 2 places for 5 teams. Big summer for us.
Well we obviously couldnt get what we paid for him
You could easily argue we paid too much for him given his fitness troubles this season. Who is going to pay through the nose for him when they cant rely on him to be fit and even if he is he has a couple more top seasons in himIs there much truth at all to these rumours going around that he wants out?
I've just read in the Metro that his agent met with Arsene Wenger a coupe of days ago.
He doesn't really have any strong ties with us, so I don't blame him (or wouldn't be surprised) if he leaves this Summer.
He wanted to win the league, he succeeded at that. He won't win anything this season and chances are we won't win anything next season (maybe a cup) - so due to his age, it makes sense for him to go.
I'm sure he'd rather spend his last few seasons challenging for trophies rather than help us go back to where we were.
He wanted to win the league, he succeeded at that. He won't win anything this season and chances are we won't win anything next season (maybe a cup) - so due to his age, it makes sense for him to go.
I'm sure he'd rather spend his last few seasons challenging for trophies rather than help us go back to where we were.
My thoughts are very similar, Rooney really wants to play uptop and having Mata sitting behind would allow him to dictate freely, also hes more liable to drop a bit deeper if we're struggling in midfield, I love RVP and what hes done but if he want's out then I'd thank him for what he's done at the club and wish him the best in the future, he signed up to challenge with Fergie not be part of a rebuilding project.
It would be a brave decision to let him leave but I think Rooney up top and Mata and Januzaj floating behind would be the way forward for us.
I agree, he is on big wages and will be 31 next birthday. We will be directly strengthening a rival but I think we need to look at the bigger picture. For me a fit Van Persie is still the best player in this league but let's stick Wayne upfront for the next 2-3 years with Mata/Januzaj/player X as our main creators.
I honestly feel we can 15-20 million from any potential suitor. He makes their team better immediately and he is great around the club. He was a fantastic captain at Arsenal. It would be sad to see him go but from a simply business standpoint...
Rooney has played well as a lone #9 scoring against Bayern, Milan, Arsenal and Roma and very rarely let us down in that role in the big CL games. Van Persie's sole contribution in the CL knockouts is missing a sitter and failing to score home and away.
Well, his agent said the rumours are rubbish and that he is sure he'll finish his career here...
Not everyday your agent says that I suppose
Not everyday your agent says that I suppose
I think he'll at least stay for one more year. The club has probably informed him that they'll go all out in the transfer window and get in some real quality to push on for trophies.
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