lol every team in world football buys players..We don't buy leagues...
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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lol every team in world football buys players..We don't buy leagues...
To be clear on my thoughts on the matter, this is a City-like signing, but it is only one, we'd have to make a dozen more before you could compare us to them.
A "muppet" in a non derogatory term, the guy hadn't played a minute for 3 months, but SAF couldn't wait to get him in, it turned out to be a great decision of course but I remember lots of eyebrows were raised. Why you have an issue with this I have no idea.
Indeed, seems to me he breaks the trend when it is a dead cert established player.
RVP has only just turned 29. HE has at least 3 top seasons in him
So basically he's been consistently signing players of Van Persie's age and older for as long as he's been in charge of the club?
They're obviously in the minority, with a focus on signing young players and developing from within. Which is a pattern that seems to be continuing to the present day and one that I, personally, hope we continue indefinitely.
I find it bizarre that we're somehow supposed to consider the likes of Barthez, Yorke, Cantona, Bruce, Berbatov, Sheringham and Van der Sar as some kind of insult to the United tradition of youth development. That makes no sense at all.
Is he expected at Carrington today?
What's your obsession with city? Sir Alex wanted the player....we bought him from rivals...that's why he cost so much.....I know your not happy but trust me mate, down the line you'll feel better about it
Medical is today., I reckon he will be unveiled this evening
And Dennis Law.
We often go after top players in the league. How is it different?
I swear to god some of you
Complaining about signing RvP, I've heard it all.
I'm not complaining. I said 24 hours before we got him that I didn't particularly care if we got him or not, because we're already brilliant in our attack, especially with Shinji here now.
I still share that opinion, I'm just a bit "meh", I can't be overjoyed about this signing whilst we still have weaknesses in other areas of the team.
You can't count keepers, because they last longer and playing a young one is a massive risk, and when you take them out there's all of two players you can compare to Van Persie. I'm not entirely sure how you can call that 'consistent'.
What's your obsession with city? Sir Alex wanted the player....we bought him from rivals...that's why he cost so much.....I know your not happy but trust me mate, down the line you'll feel better about it
my feelings exactly. When he starts banging in goals and spreading passes and knocking in the corners that we have sadly be crap at....suddenly he will become a Fergie master signing...astute, clever and godsend for the younger players to learn from. He's a world class player, we don't often get the chance to bag those...
Fergie also wanted to make Henrik Larsson's loan deal permanent...he was what 35 at that time?
Again, doesn't make sense. Why do we have always go one way or the other? You're basically proposing either having a team full of young players or a team full of established ones. And neither situation is a healthy one. Even a club that promotes youth does need to make the experienced buy as and when necessary for the clubs benefit.
As for Debuchy, maybe Fergie thinks an experienced buy up front will impact us more. Maybe he feels Rafael is closer to making the RB place his own. We don't know.
I think you have to be more open minded to be honest. I personally didn't want this deal to go through at the start because I thought it would cost us around 35 million or something (ignorance on my part I guess). And I still think it is a risk. Of course it is given he's 29 and has had injury issues.
But at the same time, I don't see the hollowness in this signing. Every signing cannot be an unknown player rising through the ranks and becoming a star. I can see the problem if our philosophy becomes signing players who become big elsewhere. But exceptions, for the benefit of the club, is perfectly fine.
...You, in an earlier post just defined "signings for the long term" as being players between "18-25" ... thus, by definition, anyone older then that isn't a signing for the long term and so is totally comparable to RVP?
Which leaves you with the likes of Cantona, Yorke, Sheringham, Bruce and Berbatov... and look how those signings turned out.
amolbhatia100;12100199But at the same time said:
It's not so much that this is an exception, as there have been a few, it's that it's an absolutely massive exception, completely out of line with the club's recent history, and, crucially, it involves fecking off Welbeck as the first choice striker, when he's the best player to come through our academy in 15 years. I'm sure I'd be a lot calmer if we'd signed a 29 year old midfielder, because at least we actually have a need there, it's an exception which would make a lot more sense.
Good shout.
Interesting slant to put on that list...
Alternatively, of 85 outfield players signed, only a tiny minority of 3 have been 28 or over, and the other two cost £3.5m (in 1997) and £250k (in 1987).
So I'd say it's hard to deny this is an unusual signing.
But barring injury (which if anything tends to affect younger players) I'm optiisitic it will prove a good one.
Some serious drama queens in here today aint there, weve just signed one of the leagues best players for 15 mil possibly going to 24mil with add ons depending on how he performs.
You should all be ***ping yourselves silly rather than bitching like spoilt children. Weve just gotten a class player for a good price regardless of his past injury record or his age.
You should all be ***ping yourselves silly rather than bitching like spoilt children. Weve just gotten a class player for a good price regardless of his past injury record or his age.
It's £24m.
I said usually between those ages, players like Cantona, Yorke and Bruce were all a tiny bit older, but all gave us many years of service and are indelibly associated with the club, Van Persie won't be that, he can't be that. Literally the only comparable signings are Viv Anderson, Teddy Sheringham and maybe, at a push, Berbatov. Teddy was a freak of nature, Berbatov has flopped badly, and I barely remember Viv Anderson.
Won't disagree, but an "unusual signing"doesn't mean a wrong signing.
15 mill up front and the rest is performance based i.e appearances goals and silverware. Thats called add ons to bring it to 24. Weve spent 15 on him to date.
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feckin Bargain for POTY.
''Arrrrrrrrrgh theres no value in him arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh' he's 29 for gods sake''
This was my initial reaction, but thnking about it I'm OK with it:
a) We need to have at least three "first choice" strikers, and Welbeck will still get a whole lot of playing time.
b) Welbeck is only 21. If we presume we will have RVP for the duration of this contract, then Danny will be hitting his prime as RVP starts to ease up. ON this basis I'm much happier that we've signed somebody of his age than if we'd got a 25 year-old, I'm hopeful of a pretty smooth transition.
c) Looking at certain other young british strikers (yes you, Michael), there is a danger of burn-out / injury if they are expected to play week-in week-out as the main man at that age.
d) Welbeck just signed a big new contract - he's not gonig anywhere, and I'm sure he understands andis happy with the situation.
Sigh... now I know you're talking nonsense.
Not been as great as intially expected... hasn't done enough to justify the outlay... fair enough, but flopped badly? What a load of shit.
Who cares?! We're talking "degrees of exception" now? Berbatov was an exception. Henrik Larsson on lone was an exception. Van Persie was an exception. There will be many more. We WILL buy experienced players. Why would we not if they are going to be for the good of the club?
On one side we are critical of Arsenal's old kid only policy and on the other hand we can't appreciate that we mix in a few experienced heads in amongst the youth.
Why is Welbeck got some sort of right over a first team place just because he came through the ranks? Some time back we have Rooney and Ruud as our main strikers. After that it was Saha, Tevez and Rooney. Neither Welbeck nor Hernandez is as good as those players. And hence, there's nothing wrong with them having to step up in order to win a place.
If you have a problem with buying someone far better than Welbeck, don't you have an issue with signing a midfielder better than Cleverley??
Erm... read his post again. Most journos agree that it's around 15m with add-ons, can end up as 22-24m.
Source? Anything I read says 23/24m
I think we just have to resign ourselves to the fact that Berbatov will always be classified by the media, oposing fans, and a large number of our fans as a flop.
There's no room for specifics and subtleties in this game, to a lot of people your either a flop or your not, and DB has officially made the list. Never mind being Premier League top scorer!
One day, hopefully in a very near future, we can all say "Oh Robin, Robin, he came to us and won f all". That would be worth it then.
Really? I've only seen £20-21.5m plus add-ons quoted. Got a link?
Danny Welbeck is from Manchester, and these days he's one of the few things about this football club which is.
I hope he doesn't jinx the medical
You're probably right, especially with regards to the media and other fans... but i'd expect a little bit more thought then that from our fans. His goals helped win us league titles that I imagine they've celebrated wildly, and yet he's a "total flop". It's absurd.
Thanks Gary!!
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