Kagawa, DDG, Valencia and Chicaritho also falls to that category. Just mention..
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Kagawa, DDG, Valencia and Chicaritho also falls to that category. Just mention..
I'm sure he'll do very well here for a couple of seasons, but I don't think he'll ever feel like a United player.
To be honest, I too like us to make our own stars (although the example that followed was laughable). Fergie has done that for decades so he does too. But it's never good to be completely rigid in your ways and he isn't. Barca have a ridiculous amount of talent coming through but they still go out and buy an Alexis Sanchez or a Fabregas or even an Ibrahimovic. If Fergie believes that he can get three season's of Van Persie's best out of him, the fee will look irrelevant.
touché
Though it does feel a little different supporting a player who has has been at a rival club for such a long time.
But that doesn't have to be the case always. If we got a chance to sign Messi tomorrow would you say no for that reason? The point is that while I agree that it feels great to make stars, the club's interest comes first. Always.
This.
I'm completely unexcited about this one. It seems that we've given in and have attempted to buy the league back this summer, especially if we'd brought in Lucas too. If Fergie can get that final CL under his belt then I'll be happy for him, but this is such an un-Manchester United signing for me. Hope I never hear people talking about City buying the league ever again.
Huh? Why not?
Maybe someone could explain to me the exact cut-off point in terms of age at which point we're supposed to not be allowed to consider a new signing as a United player?
Van Persie just turned 29, so that apparently rules him out. Carrick and Vidic were 25 when we signed them. Do they make the cut? Eric Cantona was 26.
This is all so confusing...
Our midfield/financial problems. A signing of this nature goes against the transfer philosophy Fergie put in place after Berbatov.
An injury prone 29-year-old striker? He didn't even have to send us a brochure.
Cantona, Cole, Rio and Carrick have were all at United longer that at any other club.
I don't object to RVP, im just saying that when he retires, i feel he will be remembered primarily as an Arsenal legend.
Though hopefully, he does enough at United to change that.
What's price, age and wages got to do with someone saying he doesn't want to sign heroes from other clubs?
Oh I'm sorry, are we not comparing the players here? Funny, I thought that's generally supposed to be the case when someone lists names that are used as examples to compare to the situation we have with our newest signing.
Where you gutted when we signed Cantona from Leeds or Teddy from Spurs?
It's funny how many Arsenal fans are saying now it's a good business for the club to get £20m for an injury-prone player who had one year left on his contract. Don't they remember how amazing he was for them last season and he won player of the year?
I wonder if people actually enjoy football, on the pitch, or they've started enjoying business in football.
I wonder if people actually enjoy football, on the pitch, or they've started enjoying business in football.
Aye, because signing Van Persie and Kagawa this summer is directly comparable with City's recent spending spree
Rooney, Carrick have already come out and said how happy they are. Hernandez has said it's good for the squad and he will view it as a challenge. This signing, could potentially secure Rooneys long term future (maybe even prolong it), it could secure Nanis.
The players don't look at the price nor think of the age. We've signed a quality player and the dressing room will be buzzing.....Sometimes you have to make statements, and that's what we've done but in the process we've bought a really good player.
If teams weren't scared of us before, they will be now. If you go into the transfer market and want to be taken seriously, you have to be serious and by showing ambition it will strengthen the spirit in the dressing room. The thing is, these days some people get attached emotionally to players. I was gutted when Rossi left, more so when Tevez really didn't live up to his potential here.
Some people think...Hernandez/Welbeck..how they gonna play? Which in itself (apart from the fee) is admitting that RVP is better currently then what we have. Welbecks a top player but he needs to be getting 15+ goals a season. That's the challenge for him. He has to work harder in training and not worry about RVP. Same for Hernandez
And to be honest, i'm pleased for Sir Alex. He's missed out on targets because of nonsense. He said in the past he'd like to sign Van Persie and am glad he will be able to realize that.
The players don't look at the price nor think of the age. We've signed a quality player and the dressing room will be buzzing.....Sometimes you have to make statements, and that's what we've done but in the process we've bought a really good player.
If teams weren't scared of us before, they will be now. If you go into the transfer market and want to be taken seriously, you have to be serious and by showing ambition it will strengthen the spirit in the dressing room. The thing is, these days some people get attached emotionally to players. I was gutted when Rossi left, more so when Tevez really didn't live up to his potential here.
Some people think...Hernandez/Welbeck..how they gonna play? Which in itself (apart from the fee) is admitting that RVP is better currently then what we have. Welbecks a top player but he needs to be getting 15+ goals a season. That's the challenge for him. He has to work harder in training and not worry about RVP. Same for Hernandez
And to be honest, i'm pleased for Sir Alex. He's missed out on targets because of nonsense. He said in the past he'd like to sign Van Persie and am glad he will be able to realize that.
With the tactics that Fergie employed against City away, Van Persie wouldn't have made any difference.
Michael Owen spent most of his time at Liverpool and Newcastle.
Do you think United fans will forget his goal against City?
Erm...the league player of the season and top scorer comes at a price.
Hell i'd say this is a bloody bargain, if we take Berbatov as a reference.
Some of us are like that too. Only worrying about what kind of resell value a player has.
We all give out that football is too much like a business nowadays. But many of the fans have turned into that now.
Players can become "heroes" at any age. You've been idolising Nani since he was 22. If another club signed him this summer would they not have signed one of United's "heroes"?
That's mental. Just because we've bought a striker to come in ahead of your golden boy Welbeck, we've bought the league? When we were buying Berbatov, Van Nistelrooy, Veron, Rooney, Rio etc. etc. we were buying the league?!
That's true.
After last season, the squad would have needed an injection.
Could be a masterstroke.
You're talking nonsense. Did you think that when we bought Kagawa? Signing RVP for 20 million is a show of strength or maybe you want our best players to leave because we have no ambition? The players are happy, Sir Alex is happy, everyones happy. Why can't you be?
What chelsea and city have done is completely different and you're making yourself sound uneducated about the whole situation.
I'm so amazed at some of the negativity on here. I would place RVP as a marque signing. People have complained non stop about us not signing players, of being also rans in the transfer market. Kagawa and RVP are huge additions to the squad. RVP wanted to come here and didn't want to go to city, that certainly says something. We have signed established players and up and coming and potentially great players for the future. The mixture of experience and youth is exactly what we have always done.
I don't care where a players has played before, once he pulls on that United shirt, then he gets my unconditional total support. Football has changed, and I reckon the long one club careers of the Giggsy's and Scholsey's will be seen less and less in the future.
I understand why some might be a bit wary of his injury record, but I bet he still plays more game that Ando!!!!!!
I don't care where a players has played before, once he pulls on that United shirt, then he gets my unconditional total support. Football has changed, and I reckon the long one club careers of the Giggsy's and Scholsey's will be seen less and less in the future.
I understand why some might be a bit wary of his injury record, but I bet he still plays more game that Ando!!!!!!
You are opposed to buying established world class players?
It coincides well with our established strategy, but a good strategist is open to exceptions when a good offer comes along. Van Persie is to me a pleasant exception, and I am very happy that SAF/ Gill/Glazers prioritized quality over principles in this case.
Nobody considers Nani a hero though, I don't consider him a hero at all, I don't see how the feck the likes of Cole and Sheringham are heroes either. There's a big difference between RVP, who spent 9 years at the club we took him from, and someone like Rio, who we took from them when he was 22/23, if anything he's far more of a "hero" here than he ever was at Leeds.
He's in london
We didn't lose the title the day we lost to City...we lost it when we failed to get three points against Wigan and bottled it against Everton. A RVP on that day would definitely have made a difference.
His goals and high assist ratio is going to be invaluable this season so feck what anyone might say this is a good signing. Do we need a midfielder and left back? Absolutely...but a 25+ versatile goal scorer is welcome anyday!
I don't understand this logic. We've spent more on Rooney and Berbatov in the past. What's the big deal really? Did we buy the league when we bought Young for 18 million? And if not, then at what point does a signing indicate that?
And the reason why people think City bought the league is:
A) Because their spending was completely disproportionate to everyone elses as were the wages they offered.
And more importantly,
B) Because without their suger daddy they would be languishing in the lower depths of the league. Their revenue was completely disproportionate to their income. Without external help of the Arabs, could you see them paying the wages and fees that they have? On the other hand, we would be able to buy Van Persie with or without the Glazers.
Buying the league? We did some terrific business already this summer, Kagawa for just £12m will turn out to be a mega-bargain. If Mark Ogden's numbers are true we 'only' spend £15m upfront on RVP, with an additional £7m relating to performances and success on the pitch (and I guess we'd all love to see the club pay the whole fee in exchange for trophies). How this is any way comparable to Manchester City, a club which blew everyone out of the market and paid obscene figures (mainly in wages, and therefore inflating the market) even for squad players is beyond me.
Maybe Fergie wants to develop our top-class talent in CM (Petrucci, Powell, Januzaj, Cleverley and - though many may disagree - Anderson) before buying another experienced head. It may sound ridiculous, but we were short upfront: Berbatov is basically gone for ages, Macheda will be loaned out as will Bebe, Keane is injured and completely inexperienced and Henriquez will be loaned out again immediately. Which leaves us with Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez to compete on four fronts, maybe adding Kagawa to the mix if he's counted as an AM... that is not enough.
this basically.
We buy player based on the previous success we've had on the pitch and the fanbase that has created. They buy players with oil money.
Then why bother sticking with younger players at all? We're fecking loaded, why not sign De Rossi instead of giving Cleverley a go? At least that would be justifiable in terms of a weakness in the squad. Why play Rafa when we could sign Debuchy?
I agree with the attitude Fergie has had for years, bringing through and signing younger players, players who then have lengthy careers at Old Trafford and feel a greater sense of belonging, is very clearly in the club's interest. The continuity and longevity this outlook provides has been the bedrock of our success.
Carrick and Vidic were 24, and it tends to be the players over 24/25 which don't seem to fit in. Owen, Berbatov, Seba, Hagreaves and so on. We're a club which has long been all about lengthy terms of service, and when a player comes to the club later in their caree and only sticks around for a couple of years it just doesn't feel at all the same. You can say that that's just football, and we've been spoilt by Fergie's way of doing things, but the point is that that's how we've been doing things for decades, and any other way is just going to feel a bit hollow. It is like being City, as your man above was attacked for saying, and when it comes at the cost of spending a season watching a young Mancunian lead the line then, yeah, it sits very uneasily with me.
exactly....and when you compare the £20m for RVP and the £18 for Young...I think we got rather a good deal
In terms of this whole buying the league thing. We buy (some) titles, City/Chelsea have theirs bought for them. They're 'trophy wives' and trophy wives are discarded when they get old.
I swear to god some of you
Complaining about signing RvP, I've heard it all.
Complaining about signing RvP, I've heard it all.
We're nothing like city and to the people that say that, is it any wonder you have issues when you can't get the basics right? Buying to win the league lol. Seriously, some of you guys need a wank because your not thinking straight at all.....
No, we lost it
Heh fair play.
And just before anyone accuses me of exaggerating Fergie's preference for signings for the long term (usually between 18-25, except keepers who last a lot longer), here's a list of every player he's bought for Manchester United:
Van Persie is undoubtedly an exceptional signing, with only a couple of precedents, and none whatsoever in recent years.
edit: Bolded the keepers, who have always been a big exception.
Robin Van Persie - 29
Nick Powell - 18
Shinja Kagawa - 23
Phil Jones - 19
David De Gea - 20
Ashley Young - 25
Chris Smalling - 20
Javier Hernandez - 21
Bebe - 20
Anders Lindegaard - 26
Antonio Valencia - 23
Gabriel Obertan - 20
Mame Biram Diouf - 21
Demitar Berbatov - 27
Zoran Tosic - 21
Ritchie De Laet - 20
Manucho - 24
Carlos Tevez - 23
Nani - 21
Anderson - 19
Owen Hargreaves - 26
Rafael Da Silva - 17
Fabio Da Silva - 17
Tomasz Kuszczak - 24
Michael Carrick - 24
Patrice Evra - 24
Nemanja Vidic - 24
Ben Foster - 22
Ji-Sung Park - 24
Edwin Van Der Sar - 34
Wayne Rooney - 18
Giuseppe Rossi - 17
Liam Miller - 23
Gabriel Heinze - 26
Alan Smith - 23
Louis Saha - 25
Dong Fangzhou - 18
Cristiano Ronaldo - 18
Kleberson - 24
Tim Howard - 24
Eric Djemba-Djemba - 22
David Bellion - 20
Lee Martin - 16
Ricardo - 30
Rio Ferdinand - 23
Kieran Richardson - 16
Luke Steele - 17
Diego Forlan - 22
Roy Carroll - 23
Juan Veron - 26
Ruud Van Nistelrooy - 24
Fabien Barthez - 30
Mikael Silvestre - 22
Massimo Taibi - 29
Quinton Fortune - 22
Mark Bosnich - 27
Dwight Yorke - 26
Jesper Blomqvist - 24
Jaap Stam - 25
Jonathan Greening - 19
Henning Berg - 26
Erik Nevland - 19
Teddy Sheringham - 31
Jordi Cruyff - 22
Karel Poborsky - 24
Ole Solskjaer - 23
Ronny Johnsen - 26
Rai Van Der Gouw - 33
Tony Coton - 34
Nick Culkin - 17
Andy Cole - 23
David May - 24
Graeme Tomlinson - 19
Roy Keane - 22
Les Sealey - 35
Eric Cantona - 26
Dion Dublin - 23
Pat McGibbon - 19
Paul Parker - 27
Peter Schemeichel - 27
Andrei Kanchelskis - 24
Brian Carey - 21
Gary Pallister - 24
Paul Ince - 21
Danny Wallace - 25
Andy Rammel - 22
Dennis Irwin - 24
Les Sealey - 32
Neil Whitworth - 18
Mark Bosnich - 17
Mike Phelan - 26
Neil Webb - 25
Steve Bruce - 26
Paul Dalton - 21
Jim Leighton - 29
Lee Sharpe - 17
Mark Hughes - 24
Viv Anderson - 30
Brian McClair - 23
Nick Powell - 18
Shinja Kagawa - 23
Phil Jones - 19
David De Gea - 20
Ashley Young - 25
Chris Smalling - 20
Javier Hernandez - 21
Bebe - 20
Anders Lindegaard - 26
Antonio Valencia - 23
Gabriel Obertan - 20
Mame Biram Diouf - 21
Demitar Berbatov - 27
Zoran Tosic - 21
Ritchie De Laet - 20
Manucho - 24
Carlos Tevez - 23
Nani - 21
Anderson - 19
Owen Hargreaves - 26
Rafael Da Silva - 17
Fabio Da Silva - 17
Tomasz Kuszczak - 24
Michael Carrick - 24
Patrice Evra - 24
Nemanja Vidic - 24
Ben Foster - 22
Ji-Sung Park - 24
Edwin Van Der Sar - 34
Wayne Rooney - 18
Giuseppe Rossi - 17
Liam Miller - 23
Gabriel Heinze - 26
Alan Smith - 23
Louis Saha - 25
Dong Fangzhou - 18
Cristiano Ronaldo - 18
Kleberson - 24
Tim Howard - 24
Eric Djemba-Djemba - 22
David Bellion - 20
Lee Martin - 16
Ricardo - 30
Rio Ferdinand - 23
Kieran Richardson - 16
Luke Steele - 17
Diego Forlan - 22
Roy Carroll - 23
Juan Veron - 26
Ruud Van Nistelrooy - 24
Fabien Barthez - 30
Mikael Silvestre - 22
Massimo Taibi - 29
Quinton Fortune - 22
Mark Bosnich - 27
Dwight Yorke - 26
Jesper Blomqvist - 24
Jaap Stam - 25
Jonathan Greening - 19
Henning Berg - 26
Erik Nevland - 19
Teddy Sheringham - 31
Jordi Cruyff - 22
Karel Poborsky - 24
Ole Solskjaer - 23
Ronny Johnsen - 26
Rai Van Der Gouw - 33
Tony Coton - 34
Nick Culkin - 17
Andy Cole - 23
David May - 24
Graeme Tomlinson - 19
Roy Keane - 22
Les Sealey - 35
Eric Cantona - 26
Dion Dublin - 23
Pat McGibbon - 19
Paul Parker - 27
Peter Schemeichel - 27
Andrei Kanchelskis - 24
Brian Carey - 21
Gary Pallister - 24
Paul Ince - 21
Danny Wallace - 25
Andy Rammel - 22
Dennis Irwin - 24
Les Sealey - 32
Neil Whitworth - 18
Mark Bosnich - 17
Mike Phelan - 26
Neil Webb - 25
Steve Bruce - 26
Paul Dalton - 21
Jim Leighton - 29
Lee Sharpe - 17
Mark Hughes - 24
Viv Anderson - 30
Brian McClair - 23
Van Persie is undoubtedly an exceptional signing, with only a couple of precedents, and none whatsoever in recent years.
edit: Bolded the keepers, who have always been a big exception.
You've named 4 players there. Do we ignore them when it comes to deciding what is and isn't the norm in terms of the tradition of signing players for United? How about Eric Cantona at 26? Dwight Yorke at 27? Sheringham at 31?
Seems to me we've always struck a balance between developing players and getting in established stars. I don't know how you got the impression that signing someone who was 28 at the end of last season is some kind of shocking break from tradition.
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