Moyes response to questions about RvP being unhappy:
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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When you feel the need to accentuate in this manner it generally indicates that there is something wrong. Van Persie isn't right this season it's pretty obvious.
So even though he says it's okay and the manager says it's okay, and there's no reason to say otherwise, you think it's obvious they are all lying.
I just don't tend to take everything footballers, and indeed football managers say at face value. Robin Van Persie isn't okay this season, I can see that quite clearly.
Yeah. He's injured.
If there were a problem, RVP would decline to comment. There's no problem.
Bloody hell, Moyes can't do right for doing wrong.
Did people say he didn't get on with Wenger when he spent 90% of the time injured.
It's just an easy cop out as a big reason of him joining was Fergie, now this whole transition thing, it's easy to blame Moyes for anything.
It's just an easy cop out as a big reason of him joining was Fergie, now this whole transition thing, it's easy to blame Moyes for anything.
When someone grows a beard, it's all over mentally.
He's been injured quite frequently, far too frequently to be a coincidence. He's been overtrained and he's also been used incorrectly on the pitch....particularly when you take into account his influence on the team last season.
He's not comfortable or enjoying his football, it's obvious.
When a player with a history of frequent injuries happens to have frequent injuries in a season, it can't possibly be a coincidence and he must be abstaining from playing because he's unhappy? Are you even reading what you type here?
Further to this, the need to accentuate as much as they have has only come about because they keep being asked exactly the same questions as though if they are asked just one more time, the response will change. Basically what is happening this season is United have been very successful for a very long time and this is the media's first chance to ruffle some feathers and rock the boat a bit, something they have been largely incapable of doing before, and they are taking their opportunity. That's what it comes down to.
I'm thinking outside the box, it's more subliminal for me. Van Persie is too good a pro to be openly critical, but he's not right I don't care what anyone says.
And yes Moyes is generally in that state right now.
How's he being used incorrectly on the pitch? For someone who hasn't looked 100% due to injuries, 7 goals in 11 appearances is a very good record in the league.
No you're not, you're being a stirrer.
So, if Moyes and Van Persie both say the same thing, then it's not true.
We must only judge relationships based on injuries.
Rafael also hates Moyes
We must only judge relationships based on injuries.
Rafael also hates Moyes
This isn't 2010. Van Persie has managed his injuries very well in the past 3 years. He has been pretty much ever present in his last 2 seasons of football. So his recent history doesn't actually point to long term injuries.
The bolded segment I have no idea what you are saying, I certainly didn't suggest that. Revisit and revise my friend.
And you are biting?
RVP was double trained in order to get fit, and then he got injured as a result. This was admitted by Moyes. He was then rushed back again by Moyes when he clearly wasn't fit. He's been out since. In training, there were pictures of them arguing. He was probably unhappy that Ferguson left after only one year of his deal too, whatever the circumstances.
He might be chuffed at how it's going this year. I doubt it though.
He might be chuffed at how it's going this year. I doubt it though.
He's been pushed further up the pitch this term, thus decreasing his influence between the lines. He's had far less touches on the ball in the final third than last season, mainly due to the fact Moyes appears to want him to operate as a basic number 9. This would be okay if the service into him was anything above average, which it hasn't been. At Arsenal he operated as a number 9 but they could play intricate football in and around the 18 yard box and subsequently he was frequently on the ball in the area and as we know he is deadly.
Goals don't automatically signify good performances. He is more than a goalscorer and when his influnce is diminished he doesn't play to the best of his abilities.
And, not being a responsible adult, he had no input in this, and now hates Moyes for forcing him into it. Definitely not just one they'll both look back on as a bad decision, he must hate somebody because of it.
This is a good point, I've certainly never seen a photo of a footballer and a coach shouting at each other in training before. I hope nobody else ever shouts at anybody in a United training session again.
Fair enough, that was definitely Moyes' fault.
I fecking hope he isn't.
For what it's worth, I doubt his relationship with Moyes is absolutely unbearable, I just think he's probably a bit annoyed at how this season has panned out. Ferguson(who convinced him to go) has gone and now United are in 7th struggling for top 4. That's what he left behind.
He's unhappy at the circumstances of which Moyes plays some part.
He's unhappy at the circumstances of which Moyes plays some part.
Van Persie averaged five more passes last season than he has averaged this season in the league. I'm sure that you replied to my post in the Moyes thread where I stated that I respect some of Moyes' decision, such as not allowing the interchange of Rooney and Van Persie. It's really not a bad thing, and it doesn't mean Van Persie isn't being used correctly. If this was the case, he wouldn't have scored this many goals with little service. Van Persie played in the exact same role for Arsenal after Wenger realised that pushing him further was the best way to maximise productivity. This season, since Van Persie has been injured, Moyes has changed the way our centre-forwards play. Welbeck, for example, has been involved in our play a lot more than Van Persie. Moyes was on his way to getting Van Persie involved more in our play. In fact, in Van Persie's last Premier League start as a centre-forward, he attempted 28 passes, and that was against Arsenal. Take a look at his previous two Premier League games as well.
Fair assessment. I doubt he truly dislikes Moyes or anything as childish and precocious as that, but he isn't enjoying his football and he has been mismanaged to a degree, which he probably realises through his time spent on the sidelines. Frustration is evident in the fact that he left an Arsenal side to attain silverware, although now his former club look the better short to medium term bet. That must grind his gears.
Have you looked at his last Arsenal injury record? It's huge. Averaged 26 games a season for Arsenal, had a great final season for them, and first season for us from an injury perspective.
There's a difference between being unhappy with circumstances, which is perfectly understandable and I should hope all the players are currently unhappy with them, and being unhappy at United.
I saw a video of the "arguing in training" incident and it was nothing of the sort. Just a normal conversation.
And none of our players are going to be over the moon about our league form/position this season.
And none of our players are going to be over the moon about our league form/position this season.
Comsmit you are a joke poster. You're worse than the likes of sky and his ilk because you're almost convincing until every now and again you come out with stuff like this and remind everyone you're a huge agenda driven Wum.
It's where his passes are made that is the difference. If Rooney is playing he is pushed further up the pitch and his influence is negated. When Rooney doesn't play he drops far too deep and can't influence play in and around the box. Both scenarios have occured this season but the difference is he can't roam like Ferguson allowed him to and this sacrifices creativity for the overall system. Problem is United lack creativity unless you can get Rooney or Van Persie on the ball. The Arsenal game was an exception as we set up quite differently to most games at home this campaign. The idea was to be more compact and cut down the space through the centre. This compact shape required Van Persie to drop deeper in tandem with Rooney, creating more bodies in the midfield areas...allowing more touches on the ball.
At Arsenal he could play as a 9 because he always had 3-4 technically excellent playmakers in and around him, or someone more direct like Walcott or Oxlade-Chamberlain who could stretch play. It allowed him more chances and more touches of the football. at United he just doesn't get the same level of service, the Southampton game was a prime example this term, Newcastle another.
Yes. That's what I did mention. He hadn't been injured long-term for over 2 seasons before now.
He's actually got him in his phonebook under "Robin xx", they text each other every night before beddy byes, but Robin has been very upset at Davey wavey of recent times. As ITK as you get.Harsh man. Brrrrrgggh.
Yes although it's beginning to get terribly awkward for Mrs Comsmit. Bless her.
I suppose the same applies to your response if that is the measure of your evaluation.
Comsmit is one of those people who if he posted on RAWK they'd all say he was one of those rare sensible mancs. There's literally no worse insult I can think of.
I've also seen that video and it shows them getting on fine a few seconds later. If you're actually using a video still as part of 'evidence' to show van Persie is unhappy Alastair, then you're either very gullible or on a wind up.
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