Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Gazza said:
The scoop? You mean like many other journalists he predicted AVB would lose his job. Some insight, that. He throws his shit all over sulia/twitter/whatever for hits and occasionally one of his stories might materialize, but his record is appalling.
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Yeah it's just a coincidence his reports on AVB and Levy fall out materialised, that Madrid would pay upwards of 80m for Bale, that Nani was signing a new contract, that Mancini was on borrowed time, that City wanted Pelligrini, that Pogba had opted to leave. He's just guessing isn't he?

The thing is - this is a bit of a non story, I'd agree with that. He'll probably end up going nowhere and we'll declare the story fabricated, when it's quite clearly a very real possibility he's not happy right now in a team that's midtable and has explored the possibility of moving, whether he ends up staying or not.
 
Didn't Castles say Aspas was off to Reading last Jan and hasn't he recently been the one to initiate the Guarin stuff?

I'm sure for every one he has right, he has one wrong too.

Also said Luis Enrique was Spurs first option about 3 weeks ago. Suddenly changed his tune to Hoddle.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Didn't Castles say Aspas was off to Reading last Jan and hasn't he recently been the one to initiate the Guarin stuff?

I'm sure for every one he has right, he has one wrong too.

Also said Luis Enrique was Spurs first option about 3 weeks ago. Suddenly changed his tune to Hoddle.
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Ashton brought up Enrique.

His only definitive statement on a new Spurs boss is that Sherwood will get the job as interim manager. I'd put good money that it comes to fruition.
 
Usually with this sort of stuff there's at least some truth in it. Silly to dismiss it and it's equally just as silly to panic about it.
 
Dominos said:
Yeah it's just a coincidence his reports on AVB and Levy fall out materialised, that Madrid would pay upwards of 80m for Bale, that Nani was signing a new contract, that Mancini was on borrowed time, that City wanted Pelligrini, that Pogba had opted to leave. He's just guessing isn't he?
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Why don't you post the predictions he has got wrong? And of those claims you trumpet as examples of his investigative journalism prowess how many were really his "scoops" as opposed to educated guesses that were shared by many people who watch football.
 
Gazza said:
Why don't you post the predictions he has got wrong? And of those claims you trumpet as examples of his investigative journalism prowess how many were really his "scoops" as opposed to educated guesses that were shared by many people who watch football.
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Because the proof that he has sources and knows his shit comes with the correct stories. No journo gets 100% right, although as long as he's not writing in absolutes, there's a good chance his "wrong" stories were well sourced but didn't come to fruition due to external factors outside of his info at the time. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on these because he gets a lot of stuff undeniably spot on. For example he got a lot of stick for reporting in early 2012 that RVP had agreed a contract in principle with City whilst he was still at Arsenal, only for Mancini to come out later and say "we were sure he was for us but this did not happen. We were very close 3 or 4 months before he joined United."

He was first with basically all of them, which make them scoops. He doesn't write opinion pieces. If you can't be bothered following his stuff and reading his articles over time, you really can't assess his reliability properly. So he took an educated guess that City had approached Pelligrini to replace Mancini in February of this year? I have to say if he's got that sort of skill to predict the future, it really doesn't matter if he's getting the info from his own arse.
 
Castles knows less than Indy Kaila. He said Ronaldo was coming back in the summer if you recall. And don't click on his sulia bullshit links. Dismiss.
 
Sixpence said:
Castles knows less than Indy Kaila. He said Ronaldo was coming back in the summer if you recall. And don't click on his sulia bullshit links. Dismiss.
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That's the opposite of what happened. He said Ronaldo wanted to return earlier in the year, not that it would happen. He then posted this article.

Cristiano Ronaldo has accepted that his ambition to return to Manchester United cannot be achieved in the current transfer window because Real Madrid categorically refuse to sell him. The former FIFA World Player of the Year's recognition that an exit from the Santiago Bernabeu is impossible comes after extensive efforts by United to manufacture a deal for a player they sold to Madrid for £80million four summers ago.
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http://www.oneworldsports.com/stories/cristiano-ronaldos-path-united-blocked

He was then first to report on his new Madrid contract.

Cristiano Ronaldo is on the verge of agreeing a new contract at Real Madrid that will reinstate him as the planet’s best-paid footballer, writes Duncan Castles. The Portugal international’s deal, increasing his after-tax annual salary from £8.85m to at least £12.65m, is ‘90% done’ and expected to be announced within the next fortnight.
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http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/football/article1310860.ece
 
Doesn't logic kind of go against Duncan here? He suggests Ronaldo's wish to join us was blocked because Real "categorically refused to sell him" around the same time Ron would have been actively negotiating his new deal with Real. So how did that conversation go then?

Ronaldo: I want to join MUFC
Real: We won't let you. Sign new contract please?
Ronaldo: Sure, seeing as you won't sell me to United.

Basically, he went with the wind that blowed.
 
Dominos said:
Yeah it's just a coincidence his reports on AVB and Levy fall out materialised, that Madrid would pay upwards of 80m for Bale, that Nani was signing a new contract, that Mancini was on borrowed time, that City wanted Pelligrini, that Pogba had opted to leave. He's just guessing isn't he?

The thing is - this is a bit of a non story, I'd agree with that. He'll probably end up going nowhere and we'll declare the story fabricated, when it's quite clearly a very real possibility he's not happy right now in a team that's midtable and has explored the possibility of moving, whether he ends up staying or not.
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What about all the shit he gets wrong?
 
It's probably bullshit, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to it. Van Persie only came to united to win trophies and because of sir Alex. Now we're in transition and sir Alex has retired. It makes sense that he'd be wondering if he made the right decision, especially if arsenal win something this year and we don't. People shouldn't fool themselves into thinking that all players choose united because they love the club, they picked us before because we were the best English club around, and one of the biggest in the world, and would always challenge under sir Alex. He's 30 now, I doubt he'd be content with his career having only 1 premier league title (was he at arsenal the last time they won?)
 
bosnian_red said:
It's probably bullshit, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to it. Van Persie only came to united to win trophies and because of sir Alex. Now we're in transition and sir Alex has retired. It makes sense that he'd be wondering if he made the right decision, especially if arsenal win something this year and we don't. People shouldn't fool themselves into thinking that all players choose united because they love the club, they picked us before because we were the best English club around, and one of the biggest in the world, and would always challenge under sir Alex. He's 30 now, I doubt he'd be content with his career having only 1 premier league title (was he at arsenal the last time they won?)
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no, he won his first league title with us last season.
 
Am I really the first one to post this?

David Moyes gambled with Robin van Persie's fitness and is damaging Manchester United, says Raymond Verheijen​
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"Coincidentally when United was in Sydney last July, I was there as well. I went to the training sessions and I could see what they were doing with Robin Van Persie. He had to do a lot of running work and sometimes he even had to do it twice a day. You have to keep in mind that he missed the first week of pre-season so his fitness level was lower than the rest of the team. That already means you have to be careful," said Verheijen who lambasted the standard of fitness coaching in the UK.​
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"[Van Persie] had also just travelled for 30 hours and he had a nine hour time difference. Normally the body takes a week to recover from that. And still, despite these difficulties , they immediately over-trained him because they want him to catch up on the rest of the team. Moyes literally said it in the media. You don't have to be Einstein to understand that is gambling!" ​

"If you look at the track record of Moyes at Everton, in the nine pre-seasons that he did, he had seven or eight times an injury crisis in pre-season followed by a slow start to the season. Clearly that pattern repeated itself at United," he continued. "The planning and conditioning part in his coaching is prehistoric.​
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"The second problem of David Moyes is his technical awareness. If I look at the Manchester United games, I don't think he's technically the best coach in the world to say it in a polite way.​
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"Finally, if you are a coach and haven't won anything in your life or haven't even played a Champions League game, and you have to coach a team which is expected to win the Champions League and you are coaching players who have almost won everything, that is a very tricky combination."​
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:boring: I think Moyes must have shagged Raymonds wife or something. This idiot can't shut up about him can he.
 
Probably will get labasted for this, but I really think that last season is the best we will ever see from RVP. I'm not saying he won't hit hot spots again...but the relative consistency of last season he attained is something I just don't think will happen again. However...those hot spots might be the difference between winning something and not...
 
togg said:
Probably will get labasted for this, but I really think that last season is the best we will ever see from RVP. I'm not saying he won't hit hot spots again...but the relative consistency of last season he attained is something I just don't think will happen again. However...those hot spots might be the difference between winning something and not...
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Is this because you think he won't be as injury free again or because you think he wont find consistency despite being fit? I find the latter hard to believe.
 
For me it's mainly the injury thing, last season was a bit of an anomaly for RVP. And with injuries comes a lack of consistency.

Also, if it is true that he isn't 100% happy with Moyes and his training techniques, then that starts to eat away at the mental side of the game. However...all that is conjecture and may not be true.
 
togg said:
For me it's mainly the injury thing, last season was a bit of an anomaly for RVP. And with injuries comes a lack of consistency.

Also, if it is true that he isn't 100% happy with Moyes and his training techniques, then that starts to eat away at the mental side of the game. However...all that is conjecture and may not be true.
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He'd been injury free for nearly 20 months prior to joining us to be fair.

2 and a half years he's randomly injury free and now the grey haired goon can't get a run of two games without breaking.
 
B20 said:
Am I really the first one to post this?

David Moyes gambled with Robin van Persie's fitness and is damaging Manchester United, says Raymond Verheijen​
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"Coincidentally when United was in Sydney last July, I was there as well. I went to the training sessions and I could see what they were doing with Robin Van Persie. He had to do a lot of running work and sometimes he even had to do it twice a day. You have to keep in mind that he missed the first week of pre-season so his fitness level was lower than the rest of the team. That already means you have to be careful," said Verheijen who lambasted the standard of fitness coaching in the UK.​
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"[Van Persie] had also just travelled for 30 hours and he had a nine hour time difference. Normally the body takes a week to recover from that. And still, despite these difficulties , they immediately over-trained him because they want him to catch up on the rest of the team. Moyes literally said it in the media. You don't have to be Einstein to understand that is gambling!" ​

"If you look at the track record of Moyes at Everton, in the nine pre-seasons that he did, he had seven or eight times an injury crisis in pre-season followed by a slow start to the season. Clearly that pattern repeated itself at United," he continued. "The planning and conditioning part in his coaching is prehistoric.​
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"The second problem of David Moyes is his technical awareness. If I look at the Manchester United games, I don't think he's technically the best coach in the world to say it in a polite way.​
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"Finally, if you are a coach and haven't won anything in your life or haven't even played a Champions League game, and you have to coach a team which is expected to win the Champions League and you are coaching players who have almost won everything, that is a very tricky combination."​
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Is this true? I do remember them seeming to have a couple of key players missing a few weeks into the season quite a few times, and it was always used as an explanation for why Everton are lower than they should be by Nov/Dec. I'm sure it happened a couple of times with Cahill in the space of 2/3 years.
 
What's the point of posting an article featuring someone who's known to be horribly biased and an attention-seeker? This invalidates any decent points he might make.
 
So in effect this Raymond chap is also being critical of the training regime at Arsenal (under Wenger). RVP's injury record prior to coming to us was abysmal.
 
B20 said:
Am I really the first one to post this?

David Moyes gambled with Robin van Persie's fitness and is damaging Manchester United, says Raymond Verheijen​
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"Coincidentally when United was in Sydney last July, I was there as well. I went to the training sessions and I could see what they were doing with Robin Van Persie. He had to do a lot of running work and sometimes he even had to do it twice a day. You have to keep in mind that he missed the first week of pre-season so his fitness level was lower than the rest of the team. That already means you have to be careful," said Verheijen who lambasted the standard of fitness coaching in the UK.​
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"[Van Persie] had also just travelled for 30 hours and he had a nine hour time difference. Normally the body takes a week to recover from that. And still, despite these difficulties , they immediately over-trained him because they want him to catch up on the rest of the team. Moyes literally said it in the media. You don't have to be Einstein to understand that is gambling!" ​

"If you look at the track record of Moyes at Everton, in the nine pre-seasons that he did, he had seven or eight times an injury crisis in pre-season followed by a slow start to the season. Clearly that pattern repeated itself at United," he continued. "The planning and conditioning part in his coaching is prehistoric.​
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"The second problem of David Moyes is his technical awareness. If I look at the Manchester United games, I don't think he's technically the best coach in the world to say it in a polite way.​
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"Finally, if you are a coach and haven't won anything in your life or haven't even played a Champions League game, and you have to coach a team which is expected to win the Champions League and you are coaching players who have almost won everything, that is a very tricky combination."​
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There's a reason why you're the first. The guy is a fecking oxygen thief and has been spouting this tediius bollocks for a while.
 
SteveJ said:
What's the point of posting an article featuring someone who's known to be horribly biased and an attention-seeker? This invalidates any decent points he might make.
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So if his points are correct, they are nevertheless invalid due to the odiousness of the speaker? Isn't that Poisoning the well?
 
B20 said:
So if his points are correct, they are nevertheless invalid due to the odiousness of the speaker? Isn't that Poisoning the well?
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He's made a habit of criticising Moyes, United, City, Arsenal etc etc - in short, anyone who's in the headlines at the time. Also, his own coaching methods aren't exactly state of the art. So yeah, for me it does invalidate what he so frequently claims.
 
The Neviller said:
He's a cretin. His comments after Gary Speeds death were nothing short of a disgrace.
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Yeah, that's always what comes first to my mind when his names comes up. Moyes was actually asked about this wanker yesterday, and underdandably didn't know who the feck he was.
He has to go to a shit Irish radio station to get a forum FFS!
We're giving him more coverage here than he deserves now because of some trolling RAWKite.
 
mickeza said:
The Mail are saying Moyes has hinted he could play a role over the festive period, although he probably won't be involved on Boxing Day, but it sounds like he could be back earlier than expected.
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Unless Hernandez and Welbeck are both injured I would rather see RVP rested until the new year.
 
hp88 said:
Unless Hernandez and Welbeck are both injured I would rather see RVP rested until the new year.
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Yeah me too. Depends how bad a knock the other two have. We could cope without one for the next two games but if both were out we'd be looking thin. I'd like to see him back vs Spurs
 
togg said:
For me it's mainly the injury thing, last season was a bit of an anomaly for RVP. And with injuries comes a lack of consistency.

Also, if it is true that he isn't 100% happy with Moyes and his training techniques, then that starts to eat away at the mental side of the game. However...all that is conjecture and may not be true.
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No it wasn't.
 
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