So? its still the same situation, playing Hernandez or Kagawa in his place weakens the team. Comments like ''Yeah, because we have no cover at all..'' is beside the point, you tried to shrug is off like its not a blow losing our best player when actually it is.
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So? its still the same situation, playing Hernandez or Kagawa in his place weakens the team. Comments like ''Yeah, because we have no cover at all..'' is beside the point, you tried to shrug is off like its not a blow losing our best player when actually it is.
I just think we have good options up front without RvP who hasn't really hit a run of form this season anyway. Carrick there is no real replacement for so it was an odd comparison to make.
Verhejen or whatever the feck his name is - is an annoying, little cnut.
So there.
And as rightly pointed out above - we would've been fecked if Phil, not the old Dutch crock, was out for any length of time. Given the fixtures we have ahead now it really shouldn't matter that much. We need to turn things around in terms of general play, can't rely on individual players to bail us out for ever. Kagawa and the pea needs to step up - as does everyone. Nothing changed there. If we can't muster the strength to beat Villa down in Brum - well. You know. It's got feck all to do with Van Persie.
So there.
And as rightly pointed out above - we would've been fecked if Phil, not the old Dutch crock, was out for any length of time. Given the fixtures we have ahead now it really shouldn't matter that much. We need to turn things around in terms of general play, can't rely on individual players to bail us out for ever. Kagawa and the pea needs to step up - as does everyone. Nothing changed there. If we can't muster the strength to beat Villa down in Brum - well. You know. It's got feck all to do with Van Persie.
I have been critical of Moyes, but I blame Ferguson for this, 100%. Instead of working hard in his final few years to ensure stability and sustained success after his retirement, he made shortsighted decisions to ensure that he retired on a high note. Robin van Persie should not have been signed. Yes, he played a huge role in us winning the title last season, without question. And he is an absolutely fabulous player, undoubtedly. However, he cost a considerable fee, and with his age and injury record in mind, it was a very poor investment. It was a selfish signing. Instead, that summer, we should have done everything in our power to secure talented young players who would could improve and provide the club with many years of service.
I also blame Ferguson for the Pogba fiasco. Instead of giving this magisterial young talent the chance his talent merited, he took the safe route and went tried and tested by bringing Scholes out of retirement. What an insult to Pogba. Ferguson showed no faith in the boy, and we lost him. Already one of the finest central midfielders on the planet at the age of 20. We could have had over a decade of brilliance in midfield. Instead we get another season and a half of a mid-thirties Paul Scholes. Horrific, shortsighted management.
I also blame Ferguson for the Pogba fiasco. Instead of giving this magisterial young talent the chance his talent merited, he took the safe route and went tried and tested by bringing Scholes out of retirement. What an insult to Pogba. Ferguson showed no faith in the boy, and we lost him. Already one of the finest central midfielders on the planet at the age of 20. We could have had over a decade of brilliance in midfield. Instead we get another season and a half of a mid-thirties Paul Scholes. Horrific, shortsighted management.
RVP get's injured and it's Fergie fault?
John, I'd love to hear more about your take on the Pogba situation. If you have the time of course. Thanks John.
Kagawa behind Rooney isn't that worse overall then Rooney behind Van persie. If anything, it helps us keep possession better and control the tempo of the game more then when we play with 2 strikers.
We'll be fine without RVP for a bit just like we were fine without Rooney last season for all the time he was out. Carrick being out makes us shite though. of course there is a small drop when a player like RVP gets injured but it isn't a big deal. He was half fit at best anyways, wasn't in form, and was just making the injury worse. Now he'll have proper time to heal, and as long as we don't keep on playing our players severely out of position (Welbeck is neither a striker nor a winger for Uniteds standards, so no him basically), we'll be fine I think.
In theory yeah but they have played together a fair bit this season and its not really come off for whatever reason. Maybe its not their partnership and its the lack of options in midfield I don't know but RvP carried us for parts of last season and the way things are going at the moment we could do with him in the team. People have been calling for Kagawa to get games and to Moyes credit he's played him quite a lot yet other than the Leverkusen game he's barely made an impact.
Hindsight is indeed beautiful. All these things you're accusing SAF of, how could he have known them when he made the decision to get rid of Pogba and acquire RVP ? Who really expected Pogba to develop as well as he has since he joined Juventus ? Criticizing the way you just did is too fecking easy.
I don't think anyone would argue that fergie fecked up about pogba, he was clearly a special youngster and sir Alex himself said summer before that season that he doesn't want to send him out on loan because he'll leave if we feel we don't want him and we won't give him games. We didn't give him games so he left anyways.
It's laughable to say rvp was a bad signing though. He won us the title ffs
Whatever way you look at it, 24m for a world class striker, carried us to a title, well worth it even if he was here for that one season.
That could very well be due to his personal form, injuries getting him down, or even the teams showing.
I don't think anyone would argue that fergie fecked up about pogba, he was clearly a special youngster and sir Alex himself said summer before that season that he doesn't want to send him out on loan because he'll leave if we feel we don't want him and we won't give him games. We didn't give him games so he left anyways.
It's laughable to say rvp was a bad signing though. He won us the title ffs
Whatever way you look at it, 24m for a world class striker, carried us to a title, well worth it even if he was here for that one season.
I think there is a difference between acknowledging a mistake by SAF (he ain't perfect after all) with Pogba and saying he plainly fecked up and it's all on him. We need some perspective and realize that Pogba's departure was the best solution to a situation that could not have kept on going. It's too easy to lay all the blame on SAF for this one as things weren't that black and white back then.
As annoying as it is, if we had to be without him for a run of five or six games, Villa, Stoke, West Ham, Hull and Norwich aren't the worst. After the Spurs game on New Year's Day we have two Swansea games in two weeks and after that Chelsea away, so you'd hope he'd be back by that stage.
Whatever the merit of the rest of the argument, John's right that we signed RVP for one reason and one reason only, and he did that job with bells on. It's also, I think, almost entirely certain that had Aguero shanked that shot into the stands then RVP would be a city player right now.
In that regard it's not so terrible that he's struggling for fitness this season, as it should give those three players who've suffered so much from the signing (Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa) the chance to show they're the future of the club.
In that regard it's not so terrible that he's struggling for fitness this season, as it should give those three players who've suffered so much from the signing (Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa) the chance to show they're the future of the club.
Gutted about the injury. Hopefully he's back soon enough.
When it rains, it pours. Hopefully Rooney will play up top well, and may be we can use Kagawa behind him for until he returns. And Hernandez could finally get a stretch of games.
After the hat-trick against Villa you could hear the chants in the crowd "you fecking selfish bastard Fergie"
We got rid of Pogba? Yeah, right...
It's a blow to lose a top player but we've been without him for most of the season with this ongoing injury issue, a good rest over Christmas will hopefully set him up for a storming second half of the season.
Now it's up to our other forwards to step up and add some goals to help Rooney out.
Now it's up to our other forwards to step up and add some goals to help Rooney out.
He's injured right up until the window opens. Lawro was right. Panic stations.
Everything went right last season in the league, this year it's almost like it's been written by a Scouser!
Looks a mad decision by Moyes to play him against Newcastle now.
Looks a mad decision by Moyes to play him against Newcastle now.
Everyone, literally everyone saw this one coming while watching the Newcastle match. Rushing back a player who already has a questionable injury record was madness, and quite frankly, smacked of desperation. Its like amateur hour at United this season.
Didn't really. We started the season with Carrick in defence next to Vidic who hadn't played football for over 12 months iirc. First game of the season was a disaster and we couldn't stop going behind. It wasn't all perfect but we coped. Everyone also said we were too dependent on RvP but he went on a 10 game barren streak and we were still winning.
He he clearly wasn't fit against Newcastle. It's turned out to be a shocking decision.
I hope this injury has not been caused by United playing him against Newcastle where he looked half fit because the squad is still good enough not to go to such desperation, at least upfront. We tried the same with Carrick against Arsenal and lost him for six weeks.
Either way, we still have Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez and Welbeck(who is still a good player) so not short of cover or options.
Either way, we still have Rooney, Kagawa, Hernandez and Welbeck(who is still a good player) so not short of cover or options.
He got injured taking a corner, what on earth has that got to do with playing v Newcastle?
Moyes, innit? Useless cnut he is. Playing footballers in football games that they're paid to play in, and whatnot.
I don't know if you are referring to me, but I said "I hope it was not caused by rushing him back for Newcastle" because he looked half fit in that game to me.
Isn't it obvious that when players are rushed back without fully regaining fitness, they're more likely to suffer further injuries.
Also, why has everyone decided he was injured taking a corner? He didn't even flinch after that corner and ran off to celebrate fine from what I saw.
Also, why has everyone decided he was injured taking a corner? He didn't even flinch after that corner and ran off to celebrate fine from what I saw.
The last 3 posts seem to be inferring that the injury was caused by the Newcastle game which he completed seemingly with no issues and looked sharp when he came on v Shakhtar (probably due to the minutes v Newcastle).
The injury appears to be a bit of a freak one, how many people injure themselves taking a corner??!
Oh I've not read it. Someone posted the video a few pages back and he looks fine after it.
There's no inference in my post. I said I hoped rushing him back was not the cause of the injury because of the strength in depth we had in strikers. It means what it says, i.e., I don't know either way.
We did, indirectly I meant. The fact that he didn't get playing time or reassurances of playing time drove him away.
This is a very RAWKish thread during their time under Hodgson.
Ray Hudson, is that you?
Does anybody think this has anything to do with the training under Moyes, as the Dutch international fitness coach has been on about?
Weird, nobody mentioned that in this thread ever.
Duncan Castles reporting, as have others in the last couple of days, that RVP is considering his options and is looking for another club after his relationship with Moyes has broken down.
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