Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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You're all missing the crucial points here, and refusing to answer the flaws in your arguments.
I'll simplify it.
Why did Ferguson apologise?
Why would RVP join if he knew the manager was only going to be there 1-2 seasons maximum?
I'll simplify it.
Why did Ferguson apologise?
Why would RVP join if he knew the manager was only going to be there 1-2 seasons maximum?
Even if he told RVP he'd be there for longer than he ended up being (the 2 or 3 years that he talked about at the end of the previous season) that doesn't mean he was lying, which was your accusation. He planned to stay linger, perhaps told RVP his plans and what he hoped to do, and then circumstances changed.
Where's the fecking lie, apart from the one you've invented?
OK, fair enough.
I'm still not sure where the whole 'retribution' after City's title win comes in though. It's been widely said that he only stayed one more year to ensure he went out on a high.
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And is it really believable Ferguson was going to go on that long? Was he ever planning to retire?
The simple answer then, not the convoluted shite Alastair pulled out of his hole.
"But his contract! His contract! 75!"
There are still unanswered questions here. We'll see how it pans out.
Again, at the Dublin talk he was asked whether he would have retired had we won the title the season before last and he said absolutely not. Rightly or wrongly he was very candid about the fact his wife's sister's death was what precipitated the decision.
As for the latter, I suppose RvP took him at his word. What more can you do?
I think I won't be losing any sleep over those unanswered questions....
Right, well before this argument started, I should have attended one of these talks.
As you say, you can only take it as he says it. I'm still not entirely convinced that he was in it for the long haul. That said, I'm confused to why Ferguson would have left a squad that requires such work, which backs up the opposing argument to mine.
He left a league title winning squad!
Because at the risk of going all scouse, it probably means quite a lot for a player to play for Man United, one of the most romanticised and storied clubs in world football.
Certainly IMO more than it means to play for Arsenal, one of a number of London clubs with no European pedigree and no discernible rivalries outside a fairly tame and unspectacular derby with Spurs. Or City, a non-entity until an Arab came along.
He wasn't buying into a manager, he was buying into a club.
No there aren't, apart from in your bitterness addled head.
He said he'd go on as long as he felt well enough, he's said that was what he told respective transfer targets and their representatives every time he's been asked, because he could never give a definitive answer as he had no plans to retire. He said that after what happened the last time he announced his retirement that he'd never make the same mistake again, he'd never plan it ahead and would go when he felt he couldn't do it any longer. He said that he felt he had a few more years left, then his wife's sister died and everything changed.
What's hard to understand? It's pretty straightforward.
Oh my God.
Are you disagreeing that United is a bigger club than Arsenal?
It's not that hard to understand.
If a player is interested in romanticism, storied history and real rivalry (which I believe RvP is, given his little boy inside comments), he'd choose United over Arsenal 99 times out of 100.
If a player is interested in romanticism, storied history and real rivalry (which I believe RvP is, given his little boy inside comments), he'd choose United over Arsenal 99 times out of 100.
The guy was motivated by a four year deal for his peak years at a club which was going to win the most trophies during that period.
We'll wait until 2016 to see whether he made the right call.
We'll wait until 2016 to see whether he made the right call.
There's nothing to suggest that Alastair isn't partly right, that RVP came here because he thought Fergie would be around for a while, but that doesn't immediately compute to "OMG Frogie be lying". Circumstances change. Life brings its own gamechangers. His wife's sister dying and her needing his attention and support and to take priority being a pretty fecking big one.
You said he should have went to City. How long did their manager last, and is one season under Mancini better than one under Ferguson?
Most people back in the summer of 2012 thought that City had overtaken United as "the club most likely to win the most trophies during the next four year period".
City go through managers quickly, have an endless pot of money, and would inevitably be challenging on all fronts during his time there.
He must have known any change of management at United would take 2 years plus to negotiate through.
I've seen that RvP picture 100's of times. It changes nothing.
The little boy inside him screamed United. As it would in all of us who weren't brought up to hate them (and even they can be turned). That's the pull.
Obviously he wants to win. I'm sure he's pretty happy with his league title medal whatever happens. If he finds that form and fitness again, United won't be far away from more silverware, something he was starved off at Arsenal.
The little boy inside him screamed United. As it would in all of us who weren't brought up to hate them (and even they can be turned). That's the pull.
Obviously he wants to win. I'm sure he's pretty happy with his league title medal whatever happens. If he finds that form and fitness again, United won't be far away from more silverware, something he was starved off at Arsenal.
I agree with this. I believe something changed and SAF left before he originally intended to.
I also believe RvP will not be enjoying the transition period, considering he spent many years at Arsenal during the period we were in transition too.
SAF is old, RvP should have been smart enough to realise this was always a distinct possibility.
And yet he still took the chance to come here, without even being lied to.
That little boy inside, eh?
Just think. A year's more patience and he could have been playing in front of Cazorla, Ozil and Walcott.
There's a lesson to be learnt from that. I might take a step back and write a short parable about it and distribute it to other young men with inner demons.
He's on this forum too.
Why are you being so precious about the celebration? In last year's fixture, he didn't celebrate. Move on sally.
And he still wouldn't have a title medal to his name. He waited for years for you to buy someone half ecent. He'd wasted enough of his career. He can retire happy, even if he never wins another trophy. 1> 0.
Sounds a pretty shit parable, truth be told.
Who is it? He's an absolute bell end.
And still with no league title and any guarantee of one in the coming years.
And of course, not at a club that the little boy inside screams for, despite whatever European team football tops he liked to wear as a child.
People don't actually believe that "little boy" shite, do they?
Trophies was his motivation for moving (and I suppose a fatter pay cheque didn't hurt...) and that's fine with me.
Trophies was his motivation for moving (and I suppose a fatter pay cheque didn't hurt...) and that's fine with me.
That picture is funny. Nobody ever points out the Feyenoord bedspread or the pendants from all different clubs hanging from the walls.
Just as silly as everyone thinking Thiago was a United fan and definitely joining us when that picture of him in a United shirt came out.
believe it's "sammyp". I dont know how to search users that arent in mains. Anyone know? But pretty sure that's him.
Well I do to a certain extent. You could say the wording was a bit odd but from van persie's interviews and how he carries himself, he seems a proper football man. He was set to get a fatter pay cheque at City but he chose us. I think what our club is about definitely had a say. You can go on believing it was about trophies but I dont think all footballers are that dim. Let me be clear, I'm not saying players wanting to win trophies is dim but the view that's all they care about.
Yeah the more I see pics like those, the less I take them seriously. There seems to be this view that who you liked as a kid plays a huge factor in what team you'll go to at a later point in life. When you're a professional, I doubt that comes into it all that much but it depends on the player too.
Just because Thiago wears a United top at a young age, doesnt mean he wants to play for us that badly at his current age. I would bet you that if he signed for us though, he would have made a mention about it which i guess perpetuates the view. But let's not forget, he told a United fan he was coming to United and look what happened there.
Stop wumming, Al.
It doesn't take a mind reader. You've made your thoughts well known.
So I've managed to read that RVP is a prick, SAF is a liar and a con and Moyes is so shit that RVP wouldn't want to play for him despite RVP himself not challenging for any major trophy since 2006...Thread took a weird turn.
Anyways, "inside reports" from Manchester all state RVP is fine with Moyes..But, some suggest that he is not happy with the coaching staff. Make of it what you will but, it's not exactly breaking news as some of us suggested it was madness bringing in some of the coaches that Moyes did back in July.
Anyways, "inside reports" from Manchester all state RVP is fine with Moyes..But, some suggest that he is not happy with the coaching staff. Make of it what you will but, it's not exactly breaking news as some of us suggested it was madness bringing in some of the coaches that Moyes did back in July.
If we can get 30m out of him Ill be happy. He's a great player and contributed greatly to our side. However spending 24m on a 29 year old was mental considering how shit our CM is and the fact that we already had Hernandez and Rooney upfront.
Oh well its not as stupid as spending 28m on an oversized toilet brush.
Oh well its not as stupid as spending 28m on an oversized toilet brush.
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