You a behavioural expert? What about his body language against Arsenal? Did that look like someone who wanted to leave? It could be because of anything, injuries, not being fit etc. If he wanted to leave having not been here for 2 seasons then I'd be shocked. It'd be a pathetic attitude for a footballer to have, especially if it's purely for football reasons.
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You a behavioural expert? What about his body language against Arsenal? Did that look like someone who wanted to leave? It could be because of anything, injuries, not being fit etc. If he wanted to leave having not been here for 2 seasons then I'd be shocked. It'd be a pathetic attitude for a footballer to have, especially if it's purely for football reasons.
RvP played well last year as a SS when playing with Hernandez.
He just simply isn't in the same form this year, probably due to injuries and instability in the team.
He's just facing a tough year injury wise. Still getting good output which is the best one can hope for.
Look unless we hear something definitive, we should stop speculating. Right now the team need to feel all our support.
People getting worried about RvP's body language - are you shocked? Our entire squad is the same at the moment. Every fecker is feeling sorry for themselves.
Heard Andy Mitten on the radio earlier. He said that there had been a few issues between Moyes and RvP but nothing serious. Also said that RvP definitely didn't hand in a transfer request.
Now there's someone in the opposition view thread questioning how long he's got at the top levelJesus Christ some people. He's 30 for fecks sake.
Seems pretty logical if you ask me, hes not exactly going to be at the top level for that many more years is he?
Drogbas and Ibras are hard to come by these days.
For what it's worth, Eamon Dunphy was on the radio the other day. . . He said his contacts in Manchester said that Moyes and RVP are fine, but not great, RVP didn't hand in a transfer request and that RVP's main problem is the coaching staff.
He also said, again for what it's worth, that RVP was very fussy at Arsenal and that he didn't do a lot to progress his injuries from healing during his time there.
Not my words btw
He also said, again for what it's worth, that RVP was very fussy at Arsenal and that he didn't do a lot to progress his injuries from healing during his time there.
Not my words btw
I was laughed at for saying that he wouldn't have been happy Ferguson lied to him.
He's high maintenance. His fitness has also been treated really badly. I would feel sorry for him if he hadn't acted like such an idiot over the whole thing.
He's high maintenance. His fitness has also been treated really badly. I would feel sorry for him if he hadn't acted like such an idiot over the whole thing.
Well, releasing a statement about Arsenal's ambition didn't help his cause. And the celebration. And just the fact he's an awful human being.
But United have screwed him over. Simple as that.
Totally screwed with a title medal in his pocket!
I think though he was probably coming to United with more expectations than 'oh theres my one title I made that big move for now I might as well retire'. Jose Bosingwa has 1 title ffs.
I find it hard to feel sorry for him, but I do a little, its rather unlucky that he comes to United to get away from chaos and lack of success, and within one season finds himself embroiled in Uniteds biggest overhaul in 2 and a half decades. But its his job and he has to try and perform.
Ferguson lied to him, simple.
I would not be remotely surprised if RVP walks out. Not even slightly.
I would not be remotely surprised if RVP walks out. Not even slightly.
Chanting about him raping a woman is the sign of an awful human being. Goes for any fan. Same as if we ever did it.
Celebrating a goal...Get over it. Ince, Hughes, Phil Neville to name a few have all celebrated against us. Hughes managed City. I don't think they are awful human beings.
Sorry, but whatever about his transfer, get the feck over the celebration. It's pathetic and it's sickening hearing about it from you lot.
I'm not defending the guy as, to be honest, he annoys me at times when he is interviewed but, come on. You're better then this
I love how quickly the opposition fans on here have completely written us off for anything in the near future.
I think it's fair to say you won't be winning the CL in the duration of RVP's contract and the league is probably off limits as well.
First time since 1992 they can actually write us off. Hard to blame them. I'd claw at any opportunity to gain the upper hand when I have been left disappointed for two decades
Dont tempt fate. We all know what happens to clubs who are doing bad in the league but getting on alright on the continent!
The league is impossible for us to win the next couple of years?
I think it's fair to say an arsenal fan is the last person I'd think to be an authority regarding winning things. Did you even have pubes last time you lot won the league?
The chaos surrounding our club is unfortunate for everyone and not just RvP.If Ferguson promised he'd be in charge for a few years and made a u-turn, I suppose it's expected for him to feel a bit let down but as you say, he has a responsibilty to perform.His season has been stop start and he may well have issues with the coaching staff and/or even Moyes, but I can't believe it's enough to have him wanting out.If he wants success then I suggest he gets his head down, and this applies to all those in our team that need to pull their finger out and except the changes above them.
I'm tempting fate, and anything can happen, but the side needs rebuilding, and the manager is hardly convincing as of yet.
It'll take a miracle greater than Chelsea's for them to win the CL.
As an Arsenal fan, I can confirm that Stevenage are probably not going to win the CL in the next ten years.
What a great argument you present there.
That's a right shitty thing to say. Ferguson didn't lie to him at all, he had no plan to retire when he signed RVP. His wife losing her sister brought it all forward. The lengths people go to to take a pop at United/Ferguson are ridiculous. What you've just said there is cnutish.
He hasn't any now, so I'd doubt it.
That hit the nerve.
It's has all got abit silly now, what happens if United have a late surge in the league this season, we have a manager who always finishes strongly, a team who always finish strongly but people have written united based on the back of a couple of losses, it's just the normal desperate hope that appears whenever United stutter.
I don't agree with that.
Ferguson is 71?
How long was he really going to go on for? RVP signed a four year deal. Was Ferguson going to go through to 75, especially when it has been widely reported that he would have retired if City hadn't won the title on the final day?
I do think he lied to him. I think he convinced him he'd be there for the duration of his contract, and I don't believe he had any intention of doing that, for the reasons I've suggested.
You could argue, of course, RVP should have realised it was pretty unlikely he'd stay for four more years.
There was one factor when United struggled that remained constant.
You don't have him any more.
Yeah but we know the way he wants success, I really think he doesnt like those kind of situations Arsenal were and United are now in. I think he'll stick with United though, he would look a right twat if he didnt.
Rebuilding?
United need to add a couple of quality players. Is that rebuilding?
If it is, are there any teams in England not in need of rebuilding?
Whilst I dont think United are as bad as some make out this simply isnt a case of the normal desperate hope, this is the real deal.
You've just answered the question yourself.
There's no way a 29 year old RvP in his prime would pin his entire career on a 71 year old manager who was only ever a season or two from retirement.
Your head has concocted the rest to fit some other pathetic sad fantasy you have.
Let's be honest, you know nothing, and are just still arse-sore he fecked you off to win the league.
Come on.
In the very short term, you need two good midfielders.
In the summer, you'll need a left back. Ferdinand will go as well. Rooney's future is up in the air.
That's just your problems in the next six months. Will RVP want to stick around for this transition?
So you knew it wasn't likely he'd go on to 75, but he convinced RVP he would? And RVP hadn't the sense you have to think 75 was stretch?
He said on a number of occasions he'd do 2 or 3 more years. Then his wifes sister died and he felt she needed some of his time. He didn't plan to stop when he did. Why would he bother to make that up? You reckon his wife would be happy to see him use her sisters death as an excuse if it wasn't true. That's a pretty shit thing to accuse someone of.
Seriously Alastair, you're making yourself look pathetic using Fergusons retirement to have a dig.
I think he made the right decision to leave us, actually. I know that doesn't suit your argument, but still.
You know what, I think RVP did believe it. It's not like anyone really saw Ferguson's retirement coming last summer. Maybe RVP thought he'd get at least three seasons with him.
And without attempting to be a behavioural expert, it's clear he's not happy with something right now. What that is isn't clear.
Obviously his wife's sisters death may have had something to do with it too, and I respect that, but the points I'm making are more about further evidence that he wasn't intending to go on until the end of RVP's deal.
As I say, it's been reported that he was planning to leave until City snatched the league away from him. I can believe that.
75 would have been a stretch, but if he told RVP he really had no intention to resign, and promised him, then I can see RVP, who was desperate to leave, taking that chance.
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