Probably bullshit but I wouldn't be surprised really. Imagine the exodus there would be if we missed out on the Champions League?
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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I don't know about 90% of fans, but I think Chelsea have a good squad and except in striker area, are better equipped than us. Other point is, it is Mourinho who has won a lot and is in fact expected to win title back for Chelsea. Though Moyes is succeeding one of the great managers of all time, that doesn't make him great automatically. If he is to be allowed to build team the way he wants, there are going to be hiccups on the way, especailly given we are weak in certain areas on the field. I would have agreed if all the Moyes criticism would have started somewhere now. Funnily it was started earlier in the season when we were having a tough fixture list to start with and Chelsea-City had comparatively easier one and still they hadn't pulled away from us. At that time, there was no talk about them.
Different season's. People are saying "United come strong after December" I don't expect it this year, I doubt we will make the top 4 depending on who we buy but I just think it's unfair to say the club stinks. Like I said Chelsea and City are clubs that stink - we have some soul about us, a meaning, a history - we are still the same club but just in a time of change, we all have to stick in there for the time being and take the rough with the smooth.
Don't think it would be too bad if we just missed out this year. A couple of years without challenging for the title though and the likes of De Gea would start thinking...
All we need now is De Gea admitting he is literally best friends with Jaime Redknapp.
At no point have I said that this is true. This is a wank argument. It's fairly obvious that everybody other than you is discussing this speculatively. Hence I replied to the "if true, he should grow up" remark. Nobody is even saying it's true.
As for Rooney, I don't get what you mean? If anything, I'm arguing that he isn't a slave. Hence I wasn't bothered that he wanted to leave in the Summer, instead the way in which he went about. My main point from the outset is that if Van Persie wants to leave then fair play, just don't act like a cnut about it. Somehow you've found a way to criticise me for that.
Dunno, this group of players haven't known anything other than success, for the most part.
If the shit hits the fan, I don't believe that they're any different to most other football players, they'll want out.
They're done unsettling trying to unsettle Rooney...now its time to get claws into the other class player we have.
I can't. The bloke is almost 72 years old, he was always going to retire soon.
And even if Ferguson implied he would stay on for a few more years that is never something Van Persie could rely on given his age. Absolutely stupid if he did.
Maybe player-for-player Chelsea aren't as strong (it's a close one) but I think they've performed better. I don't think its slamming the players either more-so a realisation that it's not al, the manager's fault - that's what is escaping some.
I don't think Moyes has done that bad - I think we have been unlucky in parts - arguably we should have won at Cardiff, we should have scored against Everton at least once, we arguably should have beat Southampton at home and we have played Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City and Spurs - it's nowhere bad as people are making out and it's certainly not Moyes's fault the strikers aren't putting away the chances like the ones at Cardiff and against Everton. It may seem that it's garbage but on a good day we have 6 or 8 more points now - football's football and it doesn't always work like that but in no way has Moyes been extremely bad.
The club doesn't stink but the air around it has suddenly taken a turn, hasn't it? The likes of Chelsea have been in a state in recent years so their current situation is probably very positive, for example. We, on the other hand, are going through big transition and not handling it particularly well. SAF leaving, Rooney wanting to leave, the fiasco summer transfer window, poor results etc. These obviously don't change the fundamentals of the club but they do knock the general perception of the club and morale. I think that's what Kag meant rather than the club itself stinking. Bad vibes.
Serious question, do you think that Hodgson did goot at Liverpool? And do you think that Liverpool did right to sack him?
We got only 3 points more than LFC on that year. They played all the big teams on those first 14 games.
I think we will make the top 4, but yeah repeat of 2002-03 doesn't look on cards, simply because of tougher competition this time around. Even in worse case, we miss out on CL, I will like the club to stick with Moyes but spend more in summer to strengthen in the areas where we need to and give him freedom to be in charge of footballing matters and let him do what he wants to including the academy policy. Even when he was at Everton, I have thought highly of him and he seems to have a good enough footballing brain. He is admittedly struggling at the moment, but he can come out of it, provided he is given fair chance and we don't adopt hire-fire strategy of the likes of City-Chelsea.
Funny how every discussion digresses to Moyes eventually!
How come nobody is mentioning Lawro's drivel about RVP not being happy to sit on the bench... since when have we dropped RVP to the bench?
Does Lawro understand the concept of an injury? If not, I'd be more than happy to give him a graphic demonstration.
Does Lawro understand the concept of an injury? If not, I'd be more than happy to give him a graphic demonstration.
I'd forgotten quite how bad Hodgson was... I can't believe he got three points less than we've managed!
Though the answer is that I thin they sacked him too quickly - though 99% of clubs would do the same. Brenton started nearly as badly, and surprise surprise, after a full season he's got them doing pretty well.
Ya, OK you started with 'if.' So? All of the points afterwards were based on assumption that, that 'if' has some strong basis. Some joker Lawrenson had said it. Why the need of all the further talk of "growing up" "feeding stories etc"? If the story has some substance then it makes sense but for somebody like you, stories like this are just another way to moan and blame.
as for Rooney, What is the point of calling him an idiot then? Is it because you love him very much?
People don't care to differentiate drivel from truth nowadays. They are too intent on finding reasons to moan, so anything fits.
Well, the results haven't been much better, right (although this squad is superior to the squad Hodgson had)? Neither they CV differs that much (except that Hodgson had a few 'small' trophies).
I think that Moyes should not get in any under circumstance a free ride for a few years regardless of the results. SAF done well after not doing so well for a few years, so Moyes will do the same doesn't apply. He would have been sacked already in pretty much all of the top clubs. I am not advocating his sacking yet, but we should be very careful to not let things go much worse.
We all love a laugh at Liverpool so no I thought he was shite but we're not Liverpool and Hodgson wasn't replacing a SAF. At risk of sounding like one of them, you put away the chance at the end against Cardiff and the shots that hit the post/bar against Soton and Everton and you're 7 point better off - Moyes can't be blamed for missing those chances - on some days they go in on some they don't football's like that but I don't think we'd be having this discussion if we were 7 points ahead of where we are now. I think the line between people thinking Moyes is doing a good job or thinking he's garbage is that thin.
Must people turn every thread into a ' Moyes out ' debate.
Let people have a chance to get angry at some other member's of the team for a change.
RVP out I say.
Let people have a chance to get angry at some other member's of the team for a change.
RVP out I say.
You're sounding like them to be fair. And we all laughed at it.
The line is thin really. But this is the way it is. If every chance would be converted for a team probably Hull would have won the league sometimes too. Anyway let's leave it here, the thread has already been derailed too much.
I think we will make the top 4, but yeah repeat of 2002-03 doesn't look on cards, simply because of tougher competition this time around. Even in worse case, we miss out on CL, I will like the club to stick with Moyes but spend more in summer to strengthen in the areas where we need to and give him freedom to be in charge of footballing matters and let him do what he wants to including the academy policy. Even when he was at Everton, I have thought highly of him and he seems to have a good enough footballing brain. He is admittedly struggling at the moment, but he can come out of it, provided he is given fair chance and we don't adopt hire-fire strategy of the likes of City-Chelsea.
Funny how every discussion digresses to Moyes eventually!
So bad I thought I was posting in the "Moyes So Far" Thread - sorry mods!! I know it's scary isn't it!Back on topic you look at the points we have dropped this season and in games against City, WBA, Cardiff, Spurs and Everton the constant has been no RVP - as on-fire as Rooney has been it's hard to argue we may not have had more from those games if we had our main striker.
Off the back of which I did hear something mentioned early in his reign that Moyes worked alot on fitness - what with Van Persie's injuries this season, do you think Moyes and his team may still be trying to work out the best way to deal with RVP - after all it's not like he was never injured at Arsenal?
It's hard to know, this early. It may be just panic based on some half rumours/critics from that ex Dutch FA coach.
RVP has a big history of injuries, so it is difficult to put the blame on Moyes. But with the time passing we would get a better scenario. It is also interesting to see what types of injuries are. If the player gets injured on the pitch because someone hit him, then no manager could have done anything about it. However if he starts picking injuries on the training, then it might be that this has to do with the trainind methods.
However, without having more time and/or knowing how the training methods are, it will be a bit unfair to criticize the manager for these injuries. As of now, I don't think that it is anything unusual. When we signed RVP the biggest worry was that he had a history of injuries. Also, if we look at the entire injuries we are having, it's pretty much consistent with the number of injuries we had during the several previous seasons.
Ya, OK you started with 'if.' So? All of the points afterwards were based on assumption that, that 'if' has some strong basis. Some joker Lawrenson had said it. Why the need of all the further talk of "growing up" "feeding stories etc"? If the story has some substance then it makes sense but for somebody like you, stories like this are just another way to moan and blame.
as for Rooney, What is the point of calling him an idiot then? Is it because you love him very much?
Sorry, but your argument is shocking. You didn't understand my original point and called me out on inferring something I didn't say, I explained that back to you as simply as possible, and now you're off on a tangent trying to win some kind of bizarre argument that wasn't even there to start with. Give it up.
These are the facts. Nobody, not you, I or anybody else has suggested that this is true. Everybody other than you has discussed this speculatively, because that is exactly all it is. I said that negative stories like this does nothing for the general atmosphere, which currently stinks. The Caf is demonstrative of that at the moment with all the strong arguments. I also argued that the print industry does not have it in for Moyes, and they have been fair to him from the outset. I then said that television pundits are the worst for criticising the club. It's all there. It's all there for you to pluck another argument out of your arse as you go along and pretend that that is what you really meant.
I'm dropping this now. Other members will be losing their IQ with every read of our posts.
Ya, you have every right to spout your bullshit so no stopping that. Carry on. The retards like you are great amusement though. Keep on stinking, oops, I mean the club will and the Einsteins like you with great IQ will revel in it.
Dropping it?
You don't even have basic sense of understanding things and childishly go around sounding like you are taking high ground. Anything which makes you feel good about yourself, I think.Last year and this year - all comps. Again, might not be wholly accurate, but indicative of the difference. This should be done for each player as the matches he missed last year were probably matches in which wholesale changes were made to the team.
Slightly off-topic but according to Goal, Van Persie took part in full training on friday for the first time in a month.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ersie-back-in-full-manchester-united-training
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ersie-back-in-full-manchester-united-training
Aye, as Rossi said, in his autobiography he says he told some players he wouldn't be retiring soon and that he had to apologise when he did.
I don't think it has any relevance to our performances though.
Have they?
To be fair, between the results, and odd comment that suggests a manager who hasn't realised where he's at and to a smaller extent the work in the transfer market (as we only signed one player), you can certainly draw a comparison between Moyes and Hodgson.
Yes, people have. but that's not to say they've been suggesting that he should be played as a no 10, more that he shouldn't be played at all!
Relying on someone's word is stupid? I can see him being annoyed/worried at the current situation, he didn't come here to rebuild he came to win, but I doubt he is already willing to leave after less than half a season.
To be fair, you could see why he'd have some doubts. He left Arsenal to join proven winners, won the league, and now in his second season finds himself playing for a club that suddenly isn't quite sure where it's going and whether it'lll be able to offer Van Persie the thing he left Arsenal for, with his career having not that much left to go, possibly.
Naah...he's a good egg. He'll stick by you and count his money....which is why he moved.
Where have I said any of that you giant melodramatic fecking tool?
Do you specialise in talking bollocks between posts that show everyone you haven't the faintest clue about what you're talking about?
He got money and the league title. I'd say he won the lot.
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