He's mates with Dave - they say. Which even I would admit is damning against our manager.
Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances
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He's mates with Dave - they say. Which even I would admit is damning against our manager.
Knew we shouldn't have bought him. I hate you Robin!
Oh, I agree. It's a huge story. But in fairness, I think the likes of Ogden, Jackson and Ladyman, the guys who cover United in depth, have been very fair to Moyes over the past few months. The idiot ex-professionals are full of shit, but they have been criticising the club for years. As far as the daily newspapers go, I don't think Moyes has been treated unfairly at all. I don't think anybody actively wants him to fail.
So, because some moron like Lawrenson says RvP wants transfer we should believe it and start calling it fair play and assume his PR team is feeding stories? Wow.
Are you ill? Or can you not read?
I don't think it's true to be honest. Savage met RVP last weekend and he said that RVP claimed he was really happy at United. If it is true then I would sell him if I'm being honest.
feck sake. What's this little boy inside him screaming about now?
He hasn't been been unduly targeted - that is true. But the story of our great empire collapsing is one many in the media are salivating at the thought of - that's quite obvious, and it would be strange if it weren't so.
He has a contract here till he is 34. He isn't going anywhere unless the club allows him to.
I've not seen one journalist claim say this. Absolute nonsense. I guarantee if he wasn't injured these rumours wouldn't be there. Absolute nonsense.
Media is always looking for targets and Moyes is the easy one. They are after him since the season began in every possible way when it was equally possible for them to blame/target Mourinho and Pellegrini who didn't have the brightest of starts. It is naive to assume that media don't have any agenda and are plainly, unbiasedly reporting things. They know what will sell more and they target those stories and targeting Moyes after early hiccups was going to be great one as United fans and oppositions fans both were surely going to be on it.
Like I said, I think that's a lot more prevalent amongst the clowns we have to watch on tele. As far as the newspapers go, and the guy's that cover the club, it isn't really in their own interest to want to see us fail. What benefit would Mark Ogden get out of United free-falling into 10th place? He wouldn't be getting nice trips to the Basque regions of Spain, that's for sure. I do agree that it is a great story, but I honestly don't think the majority of journalists are frothing at the mouth to see it happen. Mind, there will be a couple of Liverpool-supporting wankers in there hoping for exactly that.
No I can't. You on the other hand look like champion of reading comprehension. Can you explain to the lesser mortals then?
Even if the story isn't true, it does highlight the dangers of underperforming. If players our players think we're going to struggle to win trophies they'll leave, the same as players of any other club will. RvP left Arsenal because it didn't look like they were going to win anything, should we really be shocked or offended if he does the same to us? Our players are no more loyal than those of other clubs.
Really hope it's not true though, the gleeful reaction of Arsenal fans will be unbearable.
Really hope it's not true though, the gleeful reaction of Arsenal fans will be unbearable.
You mean like Lawrenson?
Who made you think everything stinks? What proof do you have that everything stinks? Few mistakes in the transfer market and some underachievement on the pitch doesn't equate to the club stinking - I can think of numerous clubs who are worse than United. It was always going to be a period of transition and difficult yet after a few minor bad results our club stinks?
It'll be interesting to see what happens if things do get worse what you think of us then. Clubs like Chelsea and City stink the way they're run - we are going through possibly as tough a period as any team ever has in terms of transition what do you expect? And the media will make thinks as interesting as it needs to be to sell papers.
Back on topic, I think the RVP rumors come hand in hand with the above. First the questions about Rooney and look how Moyes has him playing. Let the club sort itself and let the media say what they want.
Lawro edges it for me - in terms of stupidity, I mean.
Why would I waste the effort when you can't understand a simple point?
Infact, I'll even repeat it for you. If Van Persie wants to leave then why should he have to stay? I don't think he needs to "grow up" either. If he doesn't like it then he can go. Move on. I then said, "just don't feck the club about." I then said nor should he feed biased stories into the media via a PR team, similar to what we seen of our other ego-centric idiot of a centre forward in the Summer. In short, don't act like a cnut. Hand in a request and do so with some class.
Somehow that means I said this: "So, because some moron like Lawrenson says RvP wants transfer we should believe it and start calling it fair play and assume his PR team is feeding stories? Wow."
You're talking bollocks.
As much as we all suggest the media hate us, we're such a big club with a massive fan base that its clearly better if we're relevant. Nobody wants to watch City and Chelsea battle it out for the league because they've got no fecking fans.
The key word is "if"
The key word is "if"
This the other day too
Well said, echo's my thoughts. A non-story for me.
He didn't look like a man wanting a transfer when he scored against Arsenal anyway.
But both Pellegrini and Mourinho have started much better than Moyes, right? And neither of them is succeding Sir Alex.
Are the reports very different to Scolari or Hodgson few years ago? I don't think so. Like it or not, Moyes's results are comparable to them, not to Pellegrini or Mourinho. It was expected that whoever is the manager and the results are poor, then the media would jump on that. The agenda is only at our head.
Lawrenson exactly. One of the television screen wankers I was referring to.
I have no proof. I just think that everything about the club seems to stink at the moment. By that I mean, there isn't a lot of positivity in the air. True or false, we're reading negative stories or supposedly negative quotes from Moyes everyday - in today's case, he said nothing wrong at all, for what it's worth. I agree with the rest of what you say. In the grand scheme of things, this is nothing in comparison to other clubs. It's why I said it's all quite humbling. This is how it feels to support a 'normal' club, I suppose. Going into Newcastle at home with baited breath incase we don't win. I don't actually mind it, but for United, it does stink a little.
As I said, lesser mortals like me seem to understand simple points, it is normal. The great ones like you however should understand the simple thing. The great talk of "not fecking the club about," "feed stories to media" etc comes from the basic assumption that he has asked for transfer. Now, do you know for sure he asked for transfer? If so, tell us the source or stop talking bullshit.
...and that other ego-centric idiot is the only bright spark this season. Don't talk as if he is your or other fans' slave.
Why's he talking bollocks just because he doesn't believe a word of it?
How do you know its true RVP has requested to leave, just for one second can you not just think maybe, just maybe it's just a story spurned from the fact he has been injured for a few games. If you want to ignore the fact the media will jump on anything and build it to something three times the size so be it, but don't tell someone they're talking bollocks just because they don't believe it.
Bizarrly Savage seems to be friends with RVP. So Savage says he told him he's very happy at United.
They even had coffee here a few weeks back so I know who I'll believe.
I'll be open to believing it when vaguely credible journalists like Ducker and Ogden start reporting it's true. Until then I'm assuming it's just a result of the negativity surrounding the club.
To be fair, I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for the media to start getting on Moyes' case. I was expecting them to start criticising us as soon as we started to underperform, "Manchester United in Crisis" is such an easy story to sell.
To be fair, I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for the media to start getting on Moyes' case. I was expecting them to start criticising us as soon as we started to underperform, "Manchester United in Crisis" is such an easy story to sell.
How the feck it matters if they are succeeding SAF or not? Are their targets any different in terms of winning? Media started this bullshit about Moyes when City were almost on same points and Chlesea were having their struggles too after both had spent lot of money. The other two teams having stronger squads and still not doing as per expectation is not good enough reason to blame them like Moyes has been blamed?
I think it depends how you look at it, I think there's a lot to be positive about. The young players we have - De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Raf, Fabio, Januzaj - these players are good now, will be great in their peaks. Add to that the fact that we Man United! I get excited for every game, even when we are not doing so well as we are now and I'm sure you do too so why not focus on that and be positive about that rather than being negative about the fact Van Persie may or may not have said he wants to leave.
Just to mention was there not rumours in October that RVP didn't like Moyes's training techniques and literally the next week RVP dismissed it as nonsense?
How the feck it matters if they are succeeding SAF or not? Are their targets any different in terms of winning? Media started this bullshit about Moyes when City were almost on same points and Chlesea were having their struggles too after both had spent lot of money. The other two teams having stronger squads and still not doing as per expectation is not good enough reason to blame them like Moyes has been blamed?
Don't joke yourself, Chelsea don't have a stronger squad tha us. As I have said many times now, it isn't very 'top red-ish' that in order to defend the manager you slam the players. A few months ago, 90+% of people here thought that we have a superior squad to Chelsea, the majority thought that only City will compete against us. Now, suddenly we are shit.
How it doesn't matter if he is succeeding Sir Alex or not? He was arguably the greatest manager ever, so obviously people would be interested how is doing his replacement. And he is doing extremely bad. It is one of the most horror spells I have ever seen in a top club. We have only 3 points more than Liverpool had under Hodgson after their first 14 games (which is mentioned every time as an example of an awful jon). To his credit the team Hodgson took finished on 7th place the year before. The team Moyes took finished as Champions/ What did you expect media to do? To say that Moyes is doing fecking great? To change the numbers on the table?
Even in the beginning both of Chelsea and City were doing better than us. Chelsea has been higher than us on the table from the third week. City has been most of the time, and gave us a good lesson. Their victories have been more convincing, Chelsea's GD is +14, City's +26. Our GD is +4. Not even comparable.
Media are doing their job. There is no agenda at all. If City and Chelsea would go into midtable and won't be able to win two games in a row I bet that Mourinho and Pellegrini won't get applauded.
I don't understand fans like him. For them, little bit of struggle and everything stinks. In 2002-03 season, we had 35 points from 20 games but still went on to win the league with 83 points in total. Granted this time competition is tough, we have played nowhere to potential and there are problems but lets wait a while, at least till everyone has played 19 games to do mid term assessment where we stand. I never understand why some fans are always looking for reasons to blame and moan.
To sum it up: Moyes is mates with Lawro and RVP is mates with Savage. Sack Moyes, sell RVP. Giggsy for player/manager!
Flashing the Chevy catalogue to Savage? Woody's got Robin playing Salesman on his downtime.
Shrewd.
Yeah, but anyone who already thinks RvP wants to leave will just see that as further proof they're right. Once the speculation starts it takes a lot to kill it off.
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