Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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He must be a nightmare to defend against. When he plays that well I wonder what plan opposition defenders try to conjure up to stop him. He's not the fastest, but his quality of movement makes that irrelevant, he's incredibly strong on the ball with the most precise of touches including magnetic close control, so you can't exactly bully him, he also has a full range of finishes to hurt teams with. He's just simply unstoppable.

If he leads us to more success in the next couple of years and continues to be a decisive player he'll go down as a legend. I've seen plenty of strikers for our club but IMO he's the best of the lot.
 
RooneyLegend said:
He must be a nightmare to defend against. When he plays that well I wonder what plan opposition defenders try to conjure up to stop him. He's not the fastest, but his quality of movement makes that irrelevant, he's incredibly strong on the ball with the most precise of touches including magnetic close control, so you can't exactly bully him, he also has a full range of finishes to hurt teams with. He's just simply unstoppable.

If he leads us to more success in the next couple of years and continues to be a decisive player he'll go down as a legend. I've seen plenty of strikers for our club but IMO he's the best of the lot.
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RVN is still the best for me, but RVP is certainly more complete and technically gifted. It's close, but Ruud was such an assassin in front of goal.
 
Shark22 said:
RVN is still the best for me, but RVP is certainly more complete and technically gifted. It's close, but Ruud was such an assassin in front of goal.
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Disagree but I can certainly understand why you'd have that opinion. One thing about Ruud was that you could count on him, no matter the stage to get a goal. I remember the match when we were totally outclassed at the Bernabue and somehow he gave us a glimmer of hope by sneaking one in.

However I just think RVP's all round game, and the level of it sneaks it for me. He's also no slouch in front of goal but does so much more. The first half of last season he was winning us matches on a consistent bases without any real reliable source of chance creation. When on form he just has an aura I can't remember RVN having.
 
marjen said:
Seems to have hit a better patch of form. Much better in his build-up play vs Arsenal.

Will start firing on all cylinders soon enough. Lord have mercy on other teams when he does.
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He was firing on all cylinders on Sunday. He was fantastic.

For all our graft, we wouldn't have won that game without him. Obviously he scored the goal, but his class on the ball really does set him apart.
 
It's a shame that he's not getting a better supply. I feel he's having to drag out goals while really he should be scoring them for fun...
 
I don't think he's quite the goalscorer RvN was, he does miss a lot of sitters than RvN never would, but he's definitely a more technically proficient footballer. It's hard to call but I still think RvN edges it, he was just playing at the club at the wrong time.
 
Cina said:
I don't think he's quite the goalscorer RvN was, he does miss a lot of sitters than RvN never would, but he's definitely a more technically proficient footballer. It's hard to call but I still think RvN edges it, he was just playing at the club at the wrong time.
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RvN was extraordinary at putting the ball in the back of the net, but I never felt he was one of the best in the world. Whereas with someone like Henry you could instantly acknowledge him as one of the best in the world at the time.

Think it's more personal preferences - is it just goals or do individual all round performances matter too?
 
Cina said:
I don't think he's quite the goalscorer RvN was, he does miss a lot of sitters than RvN never would, but he's definitely a more technically proficient footballer. It's hard to call but I still think RvN edges it, he was just playing at the club at the wrong time.
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Agree with that. RVP is the more impressive to watch with his deft touches. Conversely, at times RVN didnt even seem to have the ball fully under his control, though 3 seconds later when their goalkeeper was picking the ball out of the back of his net it transpired he clearly did after all. It was not as graceful by any means but he was more of a goal machine.
 
He looked pretty knackered at times in the Arsenal match despite playing very well. I'd have no problem with us crying 'injury' to keep him out of the friendlies. I actually think we should give him a nice long break by starting Hernandez against Cardiff too.
 
Adebesi said:
Agree with that. RVP is the more impressive to watch with his deft touches. Conversely, at times RVN didnt even seem to have the ball fully under his control, though 3 seconds later when their goalkeeper was picking the ball out of the back of his net it transpired he clearly did after all. It was not as graceful by any means but he was more of a goal machine.
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I watched his goals for Manchester United a few days ago, one of the best finishers I have ever seen. He scored all sorts left foot, right foot and head. He was such a quick thinker in the box. Van Persie my have a more expansive game but in terms of out and out goal scorer it's Van Nistelrooy all day.
 
van persie is technically better than van nistelrooy, but rvn's technique and ball control are very much underrated here. he was pretty good at holding the ball and his close ball control was superb. remember that goal in the fa cup tie against west ham?(if i am not mistaken here, maybe pompey...) where he danced with the ball past 2 players with just 2 touches and a turn before blasting home from the edge of the box? he is well known for his finishing which was his strongest point but he was not a donkey with the ball, not at all. again, henry was on another level in terms of technique compared to rvn but rvn was still one of the best forward in the world back in the early 2000s, and arguably the best finisher inside the box during that period.

i hope van persie will be given a bit of a time off by the dutch national coach this time around. no need to overplay your best forward for friendlies. 2 weeks of good rest could do a world of good for rvp now.
 
ricky-romeo said:
van persie is technically better than van nistelrooy, but rvn's technique and ball control are very much underrated here. he was pretty good at holding the ball and his close ball control was superb. remember that goal in the fa cup tie against west ham?(if i am not mistaken here, maybe pompey...) where he danced with the ball past 2 players with just 2 touches and a turn before blasting home from the edge of the box? he is well known for his finishing which was his strongest point but he was not a donkey with the ball, not at all. again, henry was on another level in terms of technique compared to rvn but rvn was still one of the best forward in the world back in the early 2000s.

i hope van persie will be given a bit of a time off by the dutch national coach this time around. no need to overplay your best forward for friendlies. 2 weeks of good rest could do a world of good for rvp now.
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He's pulled out.
 
I loved RvN, what a striker he was... for anyone 'forgetting' how good he was, go and watch the Youtube clip with all his goals, what a machine he was.

Regarding RvP, his goalscoring record is quite tremendous too (2 in 3 actually), but he misses more clear cut chances than Ruud did IMO. Doesn't matter, he still scores shitloads and his overall play is freaking fantastic. At the end of the season he will probably have between 60-70 goals, makes the £24m we paid a fantastic investment (well, it already was considering he won us the title with all his goals last season).
 
Very close call. The two best strikers I've seen at united. Rvp was the better goal scorer and finisher whereas rvp is better on the ball and more capable of a moment of brilliance. I'd say rvp just edges it because he did what he did in a united side that wasn't the best and it would have been interesting to see what he'd have done in the 06 to 09 team
 
Red Dreams said:
RVP's close control is a joy to watch.
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It really is. People spunk loads over Berbatov's touch and control, but RVP's is arguably just as good, with greater effectiveness and end-product as well as big-game mentality. To me, RVP is what Berbatov should have been when we bought him for 30 million. It's no slight on Berbs as he is clearly a talented footballer, but for all his skills and technique it just didn't translate enough into productivity for me.

As for RVN, I've had the fortune of watching him live and I have to say, in the penalty box there's few better over the years. RVN is a goalscorer through and through and will snatch at any half-chance to try and have a pop at goal. That's the reason for his productivity IMO. He's just ruthless in that penalty box.
 
Crotch bump, feck yeah.

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Why bother calling up proven players for meaningless friendlies anyway at this time of year? It's something which grates managers and fans because there's always a good chance they'll get injured, especially in our case as it happened enough times down the years. Don't call them up and then they won't have to moan about players pulling out of the squad.
 
SirFergie said:
Why bother calling up proven players for meaningless friendlies anyway at this time of year? It's something which grates managers and fans because there's always a good chance they'll get injured, especially in our case as it happened enough times down the years. Don't call them up and then they won't have to moan about players pulling out of the squad.
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International teams don't get much time together and yet are expected to perform at a top class level when they do play matches. It sucks for club football but, these are the only times that international managers can try different combinations/tactics for when the it really counts.

Clubs play friendlies at the start of the season not only to build match fitness but, also for managers to try and build some understanding into the team of what they are trying to do when it really matters.

Anyway - glad in this case RVP has been allowed to recuperate.
 
TypeR said:
It really is. People spunk loads over Berbatov's touch and control, but RVP's is arguably just as good, with greater effectiveness and end-product as well as big-game mentality. To me, RVP is what Berbatov should have been when we bought him for 30 million. It's no slight on Berbs as he is clearly a talented footballer, but for all his skills and technique it just didn't translate enough into productivity for me.

As for RVN, I've had the fortune of watching him live and I have to say, in the penalty box there's few better over the years. RVN is a goalscorer through and through and will snatch at any half-chance to try and have a pop at goal. That's the reason for his productivity IMO. He's just ruthless in that penalty box.
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Ya, RvP has the same class/technique as Berbs, but is more alive and looking to either spin the marker on his back or shift the ball to a team-mate and then go into space to look for it again. Bag on with the productivity part. He is a joy to watch lead the line. A nightmare for anyone to defend against, the only way you can usually get the ball off him when it is played upto him (with back to goal) is to plough through his back. That's what gives Rooney the licence to drop a bit deeper, rather than needing someone to play just off him all the time to offer support. Some games it is hard for him, as the final ball to his feet is often poor on the day.
 
Mr Anderson said:
Ya, RvP has the same class/technique as Berbs, but is more alive and looking to either spin the marker on his back or shift the ball to a team-mate and then go into space to look for it again. Bag on with the productivity part. He is a joy to watch lead the line. A nightmare for anyone to defend against, the only way you can usually get the ball off him when it is played upto him (with back to goal) is to plough through his back. That's what gives Rooney the licence to drop a bit deeper, rather than needing someone to play just off him all the time to offer support. Some games it is hard for him, as the final ball to his feet is often poor on the day.
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We're not giving him the service he deserves methinks. With RVP you either play it right into his feet and let him weave his magic, or over/through the defence for him to run onto and smash it in with his excellent striking technique on the bounce. It's pointless to hoof it up and expect him to constantly bring the ball down and hold it up while we get runners from wide and deep. His technique and timing of movement is wasted if we simply play him as a target man.
 
Shimo said:
International teams don't get much time together and yet are expected to perform at a top class level when they do play matches. It sucks for club football but, these are the only times that international managers can try different combinations/tactics for when the it really counts.

Clubs play friendlies at the start of the season not only to build match fitness but, also for managers to try and build some understanding into the team of what they are trying to do when it really matters.

Anyway - glad in this case RVP has been allowed to recuperate.
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Yeah but barring injury, van Persie is going to be part of the squad. That's a given, he's a quality player and will be there. He's got 79 caps and is Hollands record goalscorer, if the manager doesn't know his qualities and what he brings to the team then there is something wrong there. Friendlies at this stage, for qualified nations such as Holland, England etc should be used to test and try the maybes, youngsters and the fringe players who maybe regulars if a more senior member of the squad is ruled out through injury.
 
Lynk said:
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amolbhatia100 said:
Very close call. The two best strikers I've seen at united. Rvp was the better goal scorer and finisher whereas rvp is better on the ball and more capable of a moment of brilliance. I'd say rvp just edges it because he did what he did in a united side that wasn't the best and it would have been interesting to see what he'd have done in the 06 to 09 team
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Hahaha you made a mistake. Nurnur.
 
What really is the enjoyment that people derive out of micro-analysis of a player's performance? Rewatching an entire game to then upload a video with him hitting a corner to the first man. Great.
 
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