Robin van Persie | 2012-14 Performances

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Ronaldo obviously has more pace and is deadly when running into space, but can Ronaldo actually beat a man in a tight space on a regular basis?

Since he became a footballing machine from about mid 2007 onwards that really isn't part of his game any more, and even before that he would simply just knock it past players and run round them. He certainly never had that intricate touch in tight spaces to fool defenders which players like Messi and Iniesta have.

Have you ever seen Ronaldo bring a ball down like Van Persie did for his goal against West Ham? I've never.

Ronaldo is the better player, but it's not as big a gap as some people think.

He's not the silky smooth, effortless grace with his first touch that you get with van Persie or Berbatov but he has a terrific touch all the same. That one v Newcastle when Tevez typically overhit a pass and he brought it under control with minimal fuss. Not as aesthetically pleasing but every bit as effective.



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Comparing Ruud's and Robin's debut seasons is always fun. As noted a few pages back, RVN didn't score in his games against Arsenal, Chelsea, or Liverpool when he first joined whereas RVN has scored against City, Chelsea and Arsenal (and Liverpool).

RVP :

26 appearances (21 starts, 5 as sub)
20 goals: 16 in League, 1 in FA Cup, 3 in CL

RVN :

After 26 appearances (24 starts, 2 as sub)
22 goals: 14 in League, 2 in FA Cup, 6 in CL

statistics from stretfordend.co.uk

Yorke had 12 in 16 to begin with but then went 5 without scoring so had 12 in 21 at the same stage. Hit another great run of form and scored 21 in 28.
 
Yorke had 12 in 16 to begin with but then went 5 without scoring so had 12 in 21 at the same stage. Hit another great run of form and scored 21 in 28.

Of those first 28 games, IIRC Yorke scored against Barcelona, Bayern Munich, 1 vs Liverpool and 2 against Chelsea in the Cup, if we're talking "big" games (the Inter milan QF goals might fall under that too). Plenty of his goals were match-winners too. Be interesting to compare which of him, RVP and RVN had the best contribution besides goals in their debut seasons. Dwight unlocked something for the team in that sense.
 
In fairness to RvP, He's playing in a poorer United team than Ronaldo. That point considered, it's easy to see why people regard his impact to be similar to that of Ronaldo.

And the fear factor...He's got that back to our team!

Is a good shout. We've definitely missed that since Ronaldo left.
 
I recall that when we had Ronaldo, even when he was the BPITW, we still missed Rooney more when he was out... Or so I assessed, not sure how many on here share(d) that opinion. One of the most incredible things about RvP signing for us is that Rooney's now been out for a lil while, and I've not thought much of it. That's saying a lot, for me.
 
I recall that when we had Ronaldo, even when he was the BPITW, we still missed Rooney more when he was out... Or so I assessed, not sure how many on here share(d) that opinion. One of the most incredible things about RvP signing for us is that Rooney's now been out for a lil while, and I've not thought much of it. That's saying a lot, for me.

Our team is more setup as a team now though, where as before it was tailored for Rooney / ronaldo to succeed. Once 1 of those were missing the others had no idea how to react.

The system we play now means its alot more flexible and easier for others to contribute.
 
It's very silly!
Full credits to RVP for scoring that goal with an exquisite first touch but i would expect the same from any of our strikers. Berbatov would have also killed that ball with a touch as well. Hell, Welbeck killed one long pass from Scholesy last night too but he got crowded out while trying to be clever.

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I think you're underestimating how difficult and perfect that first touch was. It's one thing to just control the ball (I think all our strikers are capable of controlling the pass, but I bet most would stop it dead... mind you, could they do it at the speed at which RVP was moving?)... it's another thing entirely to knock it forward with the perfect amount of weight so that it is perfectly in line for your second touch, which you can make without even altering your speed.

The second touch of course is also magnificent, as again, it is at speed and again is so perfect, it totally takes the defender out of the game and is done with the right amount of weight that it is perfectly in line for a strike... again, without breaking your stried what-so-ever.

That is what makes the goal spectacular for me, the speed at which it is done, and more importantly, the fact that he doesn't change his speed at any point. It is a legitimately perfect goal.

Our other strikers might have been able to pull of the same feat, but until they do, it's only a maybe... and at the moment, I would say only one other man in the Premiership would have been able to pull off what RVP did with that speed, precision, technique and quality... and that, annoyingly, is Luis Suarez... as he did something equally as difficult earlier on this season.
 
This lad has some quality videos up, love watching the away day videos.

Certainly. He has an amazing collection too. I recently watched the 2008 penalties in Moscow, and I still felt tense as fck when JT was heading up to the spot. :drool:
 
If RVP scores in the games against Everton (H), Spurs (A), Villa (H), Norwich (H), QPR (A) and Swansea (H) in the second half of the season, he'll have scored against every team in the league. It'd be quality to see him rack up a few records to give people more reasons to cream over him.
 
Nice comment on F365

A Manchester United-supporting friend recently declared he realized he didn't know love until Robin van Persie arrived.
 
3rd best player in the world at present

Lets wait until the business end of the season. Xavi and Iniesta are 3rd/4th based on being ridiculous in world cup/UCL/EC finals. Van Persie needs to prove himself there before he can be top 3 in the world.
 
He's not the silky smooth, effortless grace with his first touch that you get with van Persie or Berbatov but he has a terrific touch all the same. That one v Newcastle when Tevez typically overhit a pass and he brought it under control with minimal fuss. Not as aesthetically pleasing but every bit as effective.



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Yorke had 12 in 16 to begin with but then went 5 without scoring so had 12 in 21 at the same stage. Hit another great run of form and scored 21 in 28.


From memory in that game Harper (I think it was?) was utterly ludicrous. The only reason it was 0-0 at half time was because he made about 12 outrageous world class saves.
 
If RVP scores in the games against Everton (H), Spurs (A), Villa (H), Norwich (H), QPR (A) and Swansea (H) in the second half of the season, he'll have scored against every team in the league. It'd be quality to see him rack up a few records to give people more reasons to cream over him.

He will very likely be rested for the Norwich game as we have got the second leg against Real Madrid a few days later.

I do not think anyone has ever managed to score against every team in the league have they?
 
He will very likely be rested for the Norwich game as we have got the second leg against Real Madrid a few days later.

I do not think anyone has ever managed to score against every team in the league have they?

Ronaldo did it I think.
 
I said he should shoot more earlier in this thread, his shots per game is surprisingly low for someone who scores so much. It probably is to do with having both Rooney and Hernandez in the team as well.

Player - Shots per game
Suarez - 6.2
Ba - 4.5
Defoe - 4.1
Bale - 4.1
Rooney - 3.7
Taarabt - 3.6
RvP - 3.5
Fellaini - 3.3
Aguero - 3.2
Tevez - 3.2

Europe

Player - Shots per game
Ronaldo - 7.7
Suarez - 6.2
Messi - 5.3
Ibrahimovic - 5.3
Ba - 4.5
Jovetic - 4.4
Cavani - 4.3
Defoe - 4.1
Bale - 4.1
Mutu - 4
Traore - 4
(23) Falcao - 3.6
(25) RvP - 3.5
 
He did it in La Liga last season but I don't think he ever managed it in the permiership.

In 07/08 the only sides that we played that he didn't score against at some point during the season were City, Barcelona and Coventry (who he wasn't even selected for anyway).

Spurs he didn't score against in the league (FA Cup)
Chelsea he didn't score against in the league (CL Final)
 
I thought van Nistelrooy did, or at least got very close.

The most different teams in the league he sored against in a season was 14 (which he did 3 times).

Van Persie is on 13 already with six more potential chances.

Ronaldo managed 16 in 07/08.

Just found this page on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_records_and_statistics

Amount of teams scored against in a season(38 games, 20 teams):
Ian Wright 17, (Arsenal, 1996/1997)
Robin van Persie 17, (Arsenal, 2011/2012)

Amount of teams scored against in a season(42 games, 22 teams):
Alan Shearer 17,
Andy Cole 17,
 
I think one of the reasons in signing him was to give us that extra in the big matches. And he's repayed us big time for that, I don't think we'd have beaten Chelsea, City and Liverpool away without his help. With those difficult games out of the way, we have to fancy ourselves for this PL title.
 
Because of RVP I am now confident against big European teams. This time last year, or any season after Ronaldo, I was shit scared of the big games. Now we know we can win with moments of brilliance simply because RVP is so good.

Real Madrid are good with a damn good Manager and Ronaldo but I bet they are weary of facing RVP, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Carrick and Cleverley.
 
Because of RVP I am now confident against big European teams. This time last year, or any season after Ronaldo, I was shit scared of the big games. Now we know we can win with moments of brilliance simply because RVP is so good.

Real Madrid are good with a damn good Manager and Ronaldo but I bet they are weary of facing RVP, Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Carrick and Cleverley.

This.

I told a guy in work who also supports United that RvP's arrival has given me so much more confidence this season. I would have had Madrid as big favourites against us, but with RvP here I think we've as good a chance as any.
 
He has that same type of aura that Chelsea had with Drogba, two or three years back. Teams fear us a lot more when he's on that starting team sheet.
 
They showed his and Suarezes stats side by side on SSN, and RVP shat all over him.
 
They showed his and Suarezes stats side by side on SSN, and RVP shat all over him.

What on earth is this young man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe

I hate those stats, cause you could probably find around 10 strikers in Europe with better goals per shot or whatever than Ronaldo, it still wouldn't make them better players than him. Every player has their own way of making things happen.
 
What on earth is this young man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe

I hate those stats, cause you could probably find around 10 strikers in Europe with better goals per shot or whatever than Ronaldo, it still wouldn't make them better players than him. Every player has their own way of making things happen.

Suarez's, sorry.

Not only that, the amount of shots he's took is about 50% less then Suarez.

He's played in less games yet scored more.

He has double the amount of assists as well.
 
Obviously he's a better player than Suarez, but he also plays in a much better team than him, I don't think it's a particularly fair comparison really. We've no idea how many Suarez would score for us if given the type of service our players provide, in contrast to the service he gets at Liverpool.

The shots thing isn't overly accurate either, Suarez takes a lot more outside the box than RVP, understandable given he plays a deeper role and is pretty much expected to do it all by himself at times.
 
What on earth is this young man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe

I hate those stats, cause you could probably find around 10 strikers in Europe with better goals per shot or whatever than Ronaldo, it still wouldn't make them better players than him. Every player has their own way of making things happen.

You have to consider Ronaldo whacks every direct freekick on goal so it tends to rack up his number of shots per game. As for me, Hernandez is the most clinical striker in Europe! The players who took fewer shots and scores many goals are the ones to be applauded!
 
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